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But back here for discussions, yes?

Kite

Yeah Haqim.

Dude, if you want to meet Eris, it might help to read Principia Discordia to make sure you're on the wavelength (assuming you haven't already done so). Then be wacky. Be funny. And stand by for wacky and funny to come straight back atcha.

I know the authors well, I have the book, I participated in much of the work described therein. I can tell you that there is something in there for everyone. The coursework bit is pitched at anyone who will stir themselves to actually do the work, so go ahead and feel up to the task. It's a great bo...

Allow me to add, as an Initiate of the IOT (and otherwise not special), that IOT members have no problem with solo work. I for one was working solo for years before deciding that group magic would take me further and broke my personal taboo against joining things. I know of no members dumb enough to...

I know of no prohibition on a designated building (prohibit? Us? 'Everything is permitted?') But think of the overheads: rent or mortgage, taxes, maintenance and repairs, utility bills, security. And think of the income to pay for that. Think of the commitment to a single place in an organisation wh...

We're not a church, so we don't do bespoke buildings. We can do our stuff anywhere. While there may not be a temple in your city, is there anything stopping you getting a few people together and starting a working group? Y'know, a few people into magic, a little curious about chaos magic, not obviou...

Heh heh. The hump is there to be got over. Any fool can do the disciplines of MMM for a few weeks. It's how you respond when you have to do them month after month that strengthens your will, gives you time to really run the program and makes a magician of you. And Initiation is supposed to be import...

Yes, I'm an Initiate of the IOT. Congratulations on your increasing success rate. That's what it's about. So when others rag you about structured training you can just tell them that structured training delivers results better than fannying about as you feel like. If you want to be a good magician, ...

Raudolf, I take your point and agree, but do remember that they are only models, not dogmas, valued only for their current usefulness. I keep a special wide grin of delight for whenever anyone denies causality, for in truth we can devise no certain proof of any such thing. But that doesn't stop me p...

Unfortunately Pixiedust, overblown egos do not exist solely in groups. There are too many Masters of the Universe jobless and living with their mums. Nor does a group necessarily involve such types. Can I recommend that you introduce yourself at Atlantis Bookshop and ask the very lovely people there...

Hello. It's odd to be back. Having gone through the hacking to death of the old Occultforums and having appeared briefly at an early stage of this site's existence, I'm pleased to see that it seems to be doing well. An especial hello to anyone from the old days.

Kite

Additional: Information differs from spirit in that in a spirit model we interact with the spirit as with another intelligence like unto ourselves. We do not interact thus with information: we send, receive and embody it. Information differs from energy in that it does not even seem to follow laws a...

Regarding cybernetic models of magic there is little published since Frater U*D* described them in his book High Magic and he himself confesses that the field is very incomplete. The main feature of such models is to regard ‘information’ as the magical agent. Such models presuppose that the world co...

Solarflea, no monolithic source of dogma exists among chaos magicians. The general consensus regarding your question, though, probably leans to the belief that you make your own ethics (or you don't) and judge by your own standards and values. We tend to regard techniques of magic as morally neutral...

Belated response. Sorry, I've been away a lot. I've been a member of the IOT for some years now. I consider myself a non-joiner, and made this exception because I spoke to a Pact member who told me that he appreciated having competent magicians around him. They give you an occult reality check and t...

A bit like exercise equip[ment: the best form of magic is the one you'll use. Don't expect to get it 100% right straight away: try things out for yourself.

$95?!!

$95?!!

*&~@+%*!!

That's what I think.

Make your own.

I second that. Just get on with it and let things unfold, learn skills by trial and error and have your eyes opened by what comes of your practice. It's not a matter of faith, of 'believing' in some improbable nonsense, it's a matter of participating. Trying to explain how is a little like trying to...

Well (snigger) a lot of people worship that dead guy Jesus Something-or-other

I absolutely agree. And to restore the balance was what I have in mind with such threads as this. Roll on!

Too active to spend much time on forums. It's good to check in, though.

What we sometimes describe as 'Banishing with Extreme Prejudice.' Lovely.

Yes indeed Petrus, and please excuse the lateness of my reply. Great stories, by the way. I love hearing about such episodes. Illumination can indeed come from the practice of magic as such , because as we observe our results follwing, we challenge our understanding of the world, how it really works...

Chemical Wedding , by Bruce Dickinson (ex-Iron Maiden) and Julian Doyle (who worked on Monty Python), starring Simon Callow as Aleister Crowley. Quintessentiallly British occult tale, with lots of occult referencing so those 'in the know' can read more into the film than the average punter. I loved...

Distressing times for you, Sarosong. You have our best wishes, backed up with a few thoughts which I hope will be useful to you. Firstly, I'm a magician, not a psychotherapist, and I do recommend you seek whatever helpful professional advice is to be found. A counsellor is a good start but you may n...