Is anyone achieving "practical" results from divination?

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dark shadow on the top half of my face. And in that shadow two brightly glowing eyes
Do the extra pair of eyes mean that more than one intelligence is using the brain?

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Amor wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:48 am
dark shadow on the top half of my face. And in that shadow two brightly glowing eyes
Do the extra pair of eyes mean that more than one intelligence is using the brain?
I meant there were only same two eyes, as many as I normally have, it just that in that experience, those were glowing brightly in the dark.
Which doesn't mean there isn't more than one intelligence using the same brain at any given time.
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Cerber wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:01 am ~stuff~
The deja vu thing seems to be a periodic episode of remembering the immediate future. It is literal, not just a perception or a hiccup of mental awareness, and I've done a lot of experimenting with it to come to that conclusion. It's fully precognitive, in extreme and explicit detail. I believe it likely, that most of the time, peoples' reaction to it "oh wow, deja vu!" is what causes them to snap out of the mental state which causes it in the first place. So usually the experience is only for a brief moment, just long enough to realize that it's occurring. It can go on longer than a moment though. In some cases you can have a kinda "gray area" version of it, where you don't quite know exactly what's about to happen, but when it does you feel like "oh yeah!" like you remembered that upon being reminded, rather than seeing it for the first time. Other times it's sharper and you have a much clearer and detailed memory of what's about to transpire around you. The more gray area version can sometimes last a long while though, even as long as an hour or so. The more detailed 'knowing' version usually only lasts a moment or two, and in more rare cases up to perhaps a minute.

You can "break script". You can for example, just intentionally blink an extra time, or adjust your body posture differently than you were scripted to. Or you can respond to people before they ask a question. You can do pretty much anything off script, but there's like an "inertia" which pulls you towards your scripted condition of flowing through the motions of that moment in time. So it takes a conscious effort to do something off script. I find it very interesting to be in the situation where one might assume that it would be very complicated to get all your gestures and lines to correctly match what you remember doing, but in fact, it's the easiest thing in the world. If you kinda take your hands off the wheel, you just flow through things that way.

Other people are resistant to being taken off script. If you break script in a way that interferes with their script, they can have a variety of reactions. But the most common is to just look confused for a moment, and then plunge onward in their script completely ignoring what you did or said. For example if you say "oh i'm so sorry your cat is sick" before a person tells you that their cat is sick, they'll often just get this confused look, and then tell you that their cat is sick exactly like they were going to originally. So if you want to get a cohort off script (like to confirm your observations), you may have to be a little forceful.

Its absolutely a causality violation, like any true precognition. And that's a major, huge, problem, scientifically. At least within most generally accepted scientific models of how be biologically generate consciousness. The scientific implications, for theoretical physics, cognitive science, psychology, and extra-natural topics, is very far reaching. Most physics models would have our brains existing in dimensions we are not aware of, but this suggests (very strongly) that it's "functionally active" in such dimensions, at least some of the time. Which models consciousness as something very 'big' compared to how it's empirically looked at in the current scientific meta.

The only thing I've found which shows any causal correlation is young age, and hormone balance. I had more of them (and longer), when I was young. And I've found that birth control seems to increase the frequency of episodes somewhat. I REALLY wish I had an insight into how to deliberately trigger one, and maintain it for at least half a minute. It would kinda obliterate James Randi (possibly, he has a billion stipulations and hidden clauses), but probably far more profitable, it would make a roulette table very interesting. And yes, I've even given thought to which form of gambling it would be easiest to leverage with it. Roulette is ideal, with a 35:1 (or thereabouts) payoff, and a very short time between betting and result. I've even thought of just camping out at roulette tables, not spending any money, just waiting for a random precognitive deja vu to occur. But that might take months, just sitting there with a pocket full of high end chips... and would really stick out as odd to casino security.

Anyway, that's the summary of the digest of the cliffs notes on deja vu.

re: the difficulty of meditating 'correctly', i didn't mean to suggest that it's something I struggle with, but something that I struggleD with. I do fail to practice it frequently enough to say that I find it easy though. It's definitely an interesting challenge, even after you get the hang of it.

As for my kinda fractional splintered zero-focus meditation thing. It's not meant as a replacement for more serious meditation work, just as a kind of utilitarian 'diet' version which is easier to use for some purposes. One could also use it as an approach TO proper meditation, getting one facet of mind focused on pure nothing, and then drawing the other facets into that mind space.
I often find my self only few steps from the entrance hole and already gasping for words, standard issue vocabularies dries up pretty fast. Then anything goes, references from computer science, pop culture, movies, cartoons, anime, children's books, computer games even, etc.
yep ditto
You can go partway down the rabbit hole if you make up terms, define them thoroughly, and them build out from there... but there's a limit to it. and some things are very difficult to define.

your hooded glowing eyes in shadow motif is pretty cliche yeah, hehe.
I think i lean very large, amorphous, tendrilous, and wingy, or kinda suppressed down into a small unassuming form. and kinda lean towards multiple forms interlaced through sort of layers of space. Which is all less cliche probably only because it would be hard to draw in a manga hehe. Although much more 'content' seems to be in the 'vibe' of the thing, rather than the look.
many things I considered separate, got merged, some things I thought to be impossible began to seem not just possible but even probable, depending on context, situation, environment. Every answer to every question turned out to be "..it depends..", or at least it seems that way.
to me, that is exactly what an accurate perception of things should look like.

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Kath wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:56 pm your hooded glowing eyes in shadow motif is pretty cliche yeah, hehe.
I think i lean very large, amorphous, tendrilous, and wingy, or kinda suppressed down into a small unassuming form. and kinda lean towards multiple forms interlaced through sort of layers of space. Which is all less cliche probably only because it would be hard to draw in a manga hehe. Although much more 'content' seems to be in the 'vibe' of the thing, rather than the look.
That was the only time I saw my self in the mirror. And since I always out there in "first person", can't say for sure how do I look like, usually seeing only my own limbs at most. But from the limbs alone, at least my own form, can vary. Seems like it not entirely up to us, but at least to some extent it can depend on the location, environment, and even some factors slightly beyond the level of my awareness. My shape and even number of limbs can wary. On wings, I remember I did "pull them out" once, only to show off, but since we don't need those to fly, and eventually we learned we don't even need to fly to move around, I never spread them again, nor I "woke up" anywhere with wings already spread out. More often I "wake up" in some place wearing something looking like "sci-fi exoskeleton" than any of the more traditional accents, like wings and/or horns and tails. Mostly very human just with some "upgrades", and only for some special occasions I run around on four legs. I'm not very scary monster :)
..deja vu stuff..
Yes, for me deja vu was common occurrence in my teens, mostly, but back then I saw no practical use for it, nor I had any idea how to cause it intentionally, it was just some random oddity. And for that matter, deja vu was only one of few randomly occurring oddities, from very regular nights of lucid dreams to weird mind glitches of wakeful existence.
There were moments of hypersensitivity, when for few seconds or even minutes a drop of a pin in another room would make my ears bleed (figuratively, just felt like that), and the noise of my own heartbeat or breathing was unbearable, and the green colour of the grass or blue colour of the sky would burn my eyes (figuratively as well).
And then there occasions of some kind "empathic..smth", I'd be just casually walking down the street, and just glance wrong way at some random person passing by, maybe even few hundred meters away, and I'd be randomly hit not just by what that person feels, but what it actually feels to be that person, while I could not read the minds, but I could feel their thoughts in some abstract sense. Well never tried to confirm anything of such in any way, so that one I can easily write off as just my own mind playing tricks on me, if I really wanted.
But most of those glitches went away, or become very rare occurrence by the time i hit my 20s, but by then I was smoking and drinking more than it would be considered "healthy", so perhaps that played some part in it.
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Cerber wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:16 am That was the only time I saw my self in the mirror. And since I always out there in "first person", can't say for sure how do I look like, usually seeing only my own limbs at most. But from the limbs alone, at least my own form, can vary. Seems like it not entirely up to us, but at least to some extent it can depend on the location, environment, and even some factors slightly beyond the level of my awareness. My shape and even number of limbs can wary. On wings, I remember I did "pull them out" once, only to show off, but since we don't need those to fly, and eventually we learned we don't even need to fly to move around, I never spread them again, nor I "woke up" anywhere with wings already spread out. More often I "wake up" in some place wearing something looking like "sci-fi exoskeleton" than any of the more traditional accents, like wings and/or horns and tails. Mostly very human just with some "upgrades", and only for some special occasions I run around on four legs. I'm not very scary monster :)
I think form is pretty arbitrary. Seems kinda like choosing an outfit which expresses something, rather than really being definitive.
I have once in a while joked that astrally I'm the Kitty of 1000 Paws, hehe. Which is really just a nod to a nickname of mine, and my penchant for japanese nekomimi. but also subtly seasoned with the kitsune thing. And "mostly" really a reference to Guan Yin.
I do tend towards bilateral symmetry. call it an fauna-organic reflex. flora seems less into that.
I try not to be real large though. largeness is kind of "grandstanding", and it lacks in effect if the "oomf" of the energy body is not at least as large in scope. Conversely, seeming smaller than one's ineffable sense of "oomf" is kinda like the opposite of grandstanding. Humility? eh... not quite the right word, but hmm... lets go with "modest".
Cerber wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:16 am And then there occasions of some kind "empathic..smth", I'd be just casually walking down the street, and just glance wrong way at some random person passing by, maybe even few hundred meters away, and I'd be randomly hit not just by what that person feels, but what it actually feels to be that person, while I could not read the minds, but I could feel their thoughts in some abstract sense. Well never tried to confirm anything of such in any way, so that one I can easily write off as just my own mind playing tricks on me, if I really wanted.
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Mind reading is definitely possible. Done it many, many, many times. In some cases on obscure topics wildly unrelated to a conversation.
Unlike deja vu, i'd call it "somewhat controllable", depending on how much you work on it. Although if the other party is aware that you're probing their mind, they tend to mostly be thinking about trying to be read successfully, blocking being read successfully, or doubt. Even if they have ostensibly chosen something to think about, in reality the vast majority of their thoughts are on one of those 3 themes. People have very uh, "disorganized minds", so reading what people think they're thinking, and reading what people 'are' thinking, is not necessarily the same thing. So what people believe is focused thinking, is really kind of a mess. "Spontaneity of Thought" comes through much MUCH clearer. Also thoughts don't quite 'last' in the way that people tend to think they do. You have a thought, then it's done. You can remember having the thought for however long, but that's not the same as the initial cogitation of it.

Also thoughts and emotions have a very similar uh... substance to them. But they are structured differently. Emotions you might compare to an odor, not literally, but having the same sort of lingering characteristics. Emotions permeate an area relative to a person's physical position, and their mental/spiritual focal point (which isn't spatially limited).

Thoughts on the other hand are more complex structures, and surprisingly they "pop" into being, like a sudden flash. Much more rapidly than an internal dialog interprets them into some structure... the 'raw thought' is near instantaneous. Concept A plus subject matter B = concept C, all at once, as a spark. It's definitely a situation of "blink and you'll miss it". They feel like they're made of the same raw material as emotions, but pushed into a complex pattern, and occurring in a flash rather than a lingering cloud. Clouds & Lightning might make a fair analogy. Especially since thoughts actually occur non-sequentially (unlike speech, or moving visuals) so a lightning flash of complex pattern & shape, is actually a pretty good metaphor. Now, one thought can lead to another thought, sequentially, but each "conceptual component" occurs in a flash unto itself. I'd tend to say each 'flash of cognition' is roughly equivalent in content to one sentence of spoken or written thought (assuming it deals with ideas which don't need deep elaboration to explain).

"rehearsing a thought" is not the same as initially thinking it. big difference in whether it's readable. the latter 'radiates' in a flash, the former is more an internal abstraction, and very muddled since it's kind of a mixture of thinking about how to think about something.

This isn't just referring to how it 'feels' perceptually, but how thought actually occurs at the source. Thoughts (raw thoughts) precede the internal dialog (regardless of whether the internal dialog is lingual or visual, etc). In a way the internal dialogue is a filtered down, slowed down, selection of highlights from the raw thought. Raw thought includes preconscious and subconscious thoughts, and can be kinda free associative.

Some people are "loud thinkers". Which may not be quite the right term. More like, they have a kinda focused spontaneity in their thought generation. Which makes them easier to read clearly. They're somewhat less "thinking 10 things at once". This doesn't seem to be linked to intelligence level, just a habitual style of focus in thinking.

Mostly I have full time empathy, unless i'm squinting (shutting it out). This works all the time. Even if you tell the subject you're empathically reading them. Whether they're guarded, incredulous, curious, etc. that comes through clearly. The only caveat is that if you tell them you're doing it, they'll be focused on that, and their emotive state will be relative to their feelings on that idea. Unless they're in a state of very strong emotion so they're not really distracted from their previous emotive state.

I have examples of explicitly detailed, off-topic, thoughts read. Although, depending on a person's thinking style, that may not occur frequently. It's much easier to miss a thought than an emotion.

The very easiest form of thought to read is what I'd call "a clarification". And I notice it in real-time internet chat more often than anywhere else. Sometimes people will type something, and the meaning of their words isn't obvious. So I reply with some form of question which goes along the lines of "what do you mean?". And then, right before their answer appears, you can feel the thought which clarifies what they meant. This is almost always a fairly simple thought, spontaneous, and timely. If your chat program allows you to see when they are typing, you can see that the timing for reading the thought is always just as they enter the "person is typing" state. Even if they were distracted and did not reply for a couple minutes. As long as you're focused on them, expecting the reply (when the thought flashes), and they are focused on you, not terribly distracted, then it's actually pretty easy to read.

This sort of thought reading is not very useful for "proving" things. Since it's topically related, and one could argue that you simply eventually figured out what they meant. But looking at the timing in programs which let you see the other party's activity, and considering the nature of that type of thought, I feel pretty solid about this being a form of mind reading (if a form which will never impress anybody).

It's much harder if I'm emotionally involved with the person. Cuz then there's lots of interference from what I want to perceive, what I worry about perceiving, etc. Lots of second guessing, triple guessing, quadruple guessing.

Also, crazy people seem very believable to me. If they believe what they're saying, I can tell. And I reflexively label it as someone telling the truth. And it tends to draw me into their narrative somewhat. Mind you crazy people lie too. And I can tell when they're doing that, just as easily as anyone else. But when they're speaking honestly of something they're just wrong about, I tend to give too much credence.

Sometimes people want to believe something so thoroughly that it can be hard to differentiate from them really believing it. If it's more superficial though, the "wires" holding up that puppet show are fairly noticeable. But even if someone is trying very hard to believe something, the way they "flinch" emotionally when their belief is inspected is pretty tell-tale.

Passive-aggressive people are kind of annoying. You don't really have to say anything to them though, just stop and give them a slightly prolonged eye contact when they do it. They'll eventually stop. To be fair, this is helpful to them as well. Often people are not intentionally passive aggressive on a fully conscious level, but it can become a pattern behavior for them. Subtly reminding them that they're doing it, can help them break the habit.

Bullies tend to be drawn to naturally very empathic people (as targets). If you detect that 'vibe', it's very helpful if you throw up a brick wall right away, and not enter into a pattern of behavior with them which will only worsen over time. In extreme cases you may want to be outright bluntly aggressive towards them. This may shock others, if they aren't picking up on the subtle interplay. Sometimes it's just an alpha-type person, feeling out the turf, you don't have to be aggressive with them, just a little 'hey don't step on me'. Humor is a good social lubricant. But there are a few people out there who are primarily plugged in to their inner predator or sadist. And you want to give them crystal clear boundaries.

You can kinda aggressively probe another consciousness. Potentially very deeply. You can make this seem pleasant or unpleasant. You can also 'push' on a mind. Potentially very forcefully. You can also cycle energy through a mind, which can be rather 'enthralling'. That also could be made to feel pleasant or unpleasant. I would strongly advise against doing any of this in your personal life though, or making a habit of it in general. Although a naturally very empathic person will reflexively probe others to an extent, so... don't limit yourself to the point of trying to be something you're not. Just be aware it can be taken into places which are not healthy for anyone involved really.

"uncontrolled" empathy is actually a pain in the ass. It tends to make you avoid eye contact, touching, personal space, and social interaction. you just get overloaded very easily. and you feel helpless vs. the effects of the emotions or thoughts of others washing over you. It may be projection, but I think it's the basis for a large amount of social anxiety cases. On the other hand if it's very adeptly controlled, that social anxiety melts away. It tends to make you a little more 'genuine', because when others are disingenuous, it seems obvious, so why would you voluntarily come across like that to others? It might, for a while, make a person feel uh... differentiated from others. But I don't think that would last too long because ultimately everyone has very similar brains, so there's a lot of familiarity and looking in a mirror when you perceive others' minds. So after a while you tend to take people misrepresenting themselves (to others, or even to themselves) with a grain of salt.

Observing how others cogitate on something can be informative for working on your own cognitive obstacles. You can be like "wow that person really isn't admitting 'thing' to themself" and then a little light bulb over your head... "wait, this vibe feels familiar... oh, Ohhhhhh.. damn." as you realize there's something in your own head going pretty much the same way hehe.

It also tends to make the field of psychology immediately intuitive. Although the 101 and even much of the 201 level courses on psyche really are mostly about the warped framing which famous psychologists viewed cognition through. Which says more about them than human psychology a lot of the time.

Animals seem to have an easier time groking this stuff. Since they lack outgoing spoken language for the most part, they're just very keyed in to this system. In a way, I'd kinda say that NOT having empathy or mind reading is almost a byproduct of human abstraction/distraction. Although my current cat has a kinda amazing vocabulary. She's much more into abstract reasoning than any other animal I've been close to.



or something like that.

this is kinda what I was referring to earlier when I said that instead of 'divining' information people are concerned about, I find generally all the answers are already somewhere inside their head. But for various reasons, withheld from their conscious thinking or their emotional acceptance. So divining for others to me seems more like figuring out a way to sugar coat what people already know in a way they can consciously accept. This doesn't mean I don't believe in precognitive perceptions, I do. Just that the topics people want to know about, are amazingly often things they really know the answer to deep down.

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Kath wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:24 pm I think form is pretty arbitrary. Seems kinda like choosing an outfit which expresses something, rather than really being definitive.
I have once in a while joked that astrally I'm the Kitty of 1000 Paws, hehe. Which is really just a nod to a nickname of mine, and my penchant for japanese nekomimi. but also subtly seasoned with the kitsune thing. And "mostly" really a reference to Guan Yin.
I do tend towards bilateral symmetry. call it an fauna-organic reflex. flora seems less into that.
I try not to be real large though. largeness is kind of "grandstanding", and it lacks in effect if the "oomf" of the energy body is not at least as large in scope. Conversely, seeming smaller than one's ineffable sense of "oomf" is kinda like the opposite of grandstanding. Humility? eh... not quite the right word, but hmm... lets go with "modest".
Yes I actually noticed, out there, "people's" appearance often reflect not just their nature in general, but their feelings, emotional state in the moment. And that kind of hints a way to change one's appearance on the go, just need change the way we feel in the moment.
Guan Yin is one of your patrons?
Cats are cool, but I seem vibe with foxes a little better :P Maybe it's because those of same family of canines, or because they were one of the first kind of people that I ran in to when I start going "outdoors" and they stuck with me despite all the ups and downs. Loyalty always was the valuable attribute for me.
..stuff on empathy and telepathy..
That's true, about eye and physical contact. I don't particularly like close physical contact with other humans (with some rare exceptions), to a point where I'd actually jump a bit if someone touched me unexpectedly, even if it's a friend. For as long as I can remember, never thought it's a big deal, just like some personal quirk. Until one day I scared my friend, once she came up to me from behind, while we were talking, and I was sitting at my pc, and I jumped a bit when she put her hand on my shoulder. She jumped in response apologizing, and then, overanalysing it, because I must have some very traumatic experiences or smth... Then I figured, yes it is a bit of an issue and I should avoid turning my back to people, if don't want to deal with awkward situations.
I think you can sense when anyone try to probe you, I remember doing experiments with empathy, sometimes when I'd take a ride on public transport, great environment for that, lots of people, constantly moving around, no one is staying on the same spot for too long. From my experiments, I noticed about 2 or 3 in 10 would sense it, but not consciously, it's like their body would react, their eyes would just randomly start scanning around for "intrusions" , for a moment, even if they are engaged with some activity, having conversation with someone, or reading something, they would express something that I could only define as subconscious reflex. But then there were 1 or 2 in a 100 that would react very consciously. Some people would stop doing whatever they were doing and actually start looking at me, even if I'm very discreet and only scanning and probing without moving a muscle, not even my eye balls (peripheral vision works just fine).
Not that there were any practical discoveries in such experiments, but those experiences does seem to imply or at least suggest that certain degree of empathy does resides in a lot of people, regular people.
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I have noticed that if I look at an item of clothing of someone walking a distance in front of me, within 30 seconds they will adjust that bit of clothing.

It seems that there is a ray of energy from the eyes (even when closed) that both makes an impact on the target and provides sensate feedback to the visual apparatus of the watcher.

Hence perhaps the irritated question by a person being observed: Got an eyeful?

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Amor wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:54 pm I have noticed that if I look at an item of clothing of someone walking a distance in front of me, within 30 seconds they will adjust that bit of clothing.

It seems that there is a ray of energy from the eyes (even when closed) that both makes an impact on the target and provides sensate feedback to the visual apparatus of the watcher.

Hence perhaps the irritated question by a person being observed: Got an eyeful?
I personally don't think it related to physical eyes, I think in those instances there is some sort of phantom connection made or attempted outside of this of physical plane. At least my hypothesis is at the moment, that it's entirely astral, just an act of intense focus, initiate momentary phantom connection, projection in or near that subject in focus, and that subject can sense it, astrally too, often subconsciously, and that "sensations" can manifest in to something physical, an itch, or a feeling, or a thought. or something along the lines. Just my own hypothesis at the moment, don't have any proof of it.
But from group experiments with AP, multiple times we observed instances of some kind of phantom astral projection from people that are physically asleep, and was trying to get AP, not even trained for it and with no recollection of it, and the phantom only stay in location while asleep, disappearing when their physical selves wake up. Instances of astral projection when people are awake but were daydreaming about certain location, and phantoms appear there when they start daydreaming and again disappear instantly when they "wake up" from their daydream and focus on some other activities.
Details of experiences usually are not shared, what they imagine doing and/or saying might not match to what their phantom did and say, and what they imagine seeing and experiencing etc might not match what their phantom saw and experienced. Which makes "confirming" anything beyond any doubt rather difficult, but there is some weirdness going on, that's just consistent enough that can't be written down to pure coincidence.
So I feel we project something, and others can sometimes sense it in some way, if that act of projection focused on or close to them.
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> don't think it related to physical eyes,

The beam from the eyes can be easily detected in the palm of the hand. I have shown many people how to experience that.

Once the beam is managed consciously it is possible to navigate obstacles in pitch darkness

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Amor wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:30 am > don't think it related to physical eyes,

The beam from the eyes can be easily detected in the palm of the hand. I have shown many people how to experience that.

Once the beam is managed consciously it is possible to navigate obstacles in pitch darkness
Could be, anything is possible. But does it work in complete and absolute darkness without even a faithless light source in the room?
I can see fairly well in near-absolute darkness, at least with my peripheral vision (I figured light receptor cones in peripheral vision just evolved to be more sensitive even in very low light conditions), but not in complete darkness, there has to be at least some faith source of light for me. While I can increase gain of my sensors, I can't create any light if there's none around.
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I was going to write an explanation but felt uncomfortable with making the technique more obvious.

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Amor wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:19 am I was going to write an explanation but felt uncomfortable with making the technique more obvious.
It's alright. I imagine to properly test something like that, applying scientific method, would need appropriate settings, environment. Which I don't believe I have right now anyway.
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Cerber wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:38 pm That's true, about eye and physical contact. I don't particularly like close physical contact with other humans (with some rare exceptions), to a point where I'd actually jump a bit if someone touched me unexpectedly, even if it's a friend. For as long as I can remember, never thought it's a big deal, just like some personal quirk. Until one day I scared my friend, once she came up to me from behind, while we were talking, and I was sitting at my pc, and I jumped a bit when she put her hand on my shoulder. She jumped in response apologizing, and then, overanalysing it, because I must have some very traumatic experiences or smth... Then I figured, yes it is a bit of an issue and I should avoid turning my back to people, if don't want to deal with awkward situations.
I think you can sense when anyone try to probe you, I remember doing experiments with empathy, sometimes when I'd take a ride on public transport, great environment for that, lots of people, constantly moving around, no one is staying on the same spot for too long. From my experiments, I noticed about 2 or 3 in 10 would sense it, but not consciously, it's like their body would react, their eyes would just randomly start scanning around for "intrusions" , for a moment, even if they are engaged with some activity, having conversation with someone, or reading something, they would express something that I could only define as subconscious reflex. But then there were 1 or 2 in a 100 that would react very consciously. Some people would stop doing whatever they were doing and actually start looking at me, even if I'm very discreet and only scanning and probing without moving a muscle, not even my eye balls (peripheral vision works just fine).
Not that there were any practical discoveries in such experiments, but those experiences does seem to imply or at least suggest that certain degree of empathy does resides in a lot of people, regular people.
I had a lot of social anxiety symptoms when i had uncontrolled empathy. it was like any form of closer contact would feel like an electric shock almost. Whether it was touch, or eye contact, or conversation, or conversation over distance. My intuition was that it was the 'focus' of the other person which mattered, that the structural way that their focus came to be on me was just incidental (ie: not caused by physical eyeballs).

When I began to see how my social anxiety was in fact a discomfort with random energy flows from other people... things started to change rapidly. Initially I learned to block the flow. And eventually I learned to kind of surf the flows, dancing playfully in the currents. I shifted from having my hands over my ears, and my eyes shut, going "la la la la I can't hear you" to being curious, almost to the point of being kinda intrusive. Have to remind myself not to just stick my fingers into every mind/soul that passes by.
I forget to remind myself a lot.

Feels like I was created to play in such currents. And I'm like "why didn't anybody explain this shit to me when I was younger?"

I wonder if i might still jolt from an unexpected touch though? It hasn't come up in a long time. I think probably not. I've no social anxiety at all anymore. I can still be reclusive, but it's more just about having peace & quiet. I'm not tossed around by mysterious forces anymore. I can enjoy at times being very outgoing and/or charming.

You can definitely make people look around or react. It can be a fun game in public places like you mentioned.


It strikes me that a person might be able to navigate in pitch darkness by bi-locating into the shadow plane. It looks just like the physical world, but everything is made of obsidian. spirits, entities, and living things, all are radiantly lit and colorful, but the realm itself is always dim. I mean, it's not the safest place to bi-locate into. It's full of mindless ravenous things. But I have a hall pass.
I've never previously thought of trying to do that for that purpose though.

// brb //

ok, it works, but it doesn't confer a sense of balance as part of it. Kinda like trying to handle a steering wheel from the passenger seat.

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I think a lot of us start by avoiding close contacts, but eventually end up learning to control it, block it. In some cases learning to take advantage of it. Or even to ruin other people's day using it, if somebody displeases us.
Most of my life I'd like nothing more than to isolate my self in the middle of some forest, and never see another human being in my life. But I kind of realized early on that's not healthy, and I'd push my self to be around people more. Even to take on jobs in customer service etc. Do things I don't want to, be in places I'm not comfortable - seems like the only sure way to build up some "muscles".
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Cerber wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:38 pm Guan Yin is one of your patrons?
not as such, just an interesting story :)
patron is an odd word. I'm only involved with one 'big fish'. but she doesn't have any stories. none recognizably accurate anyway.
Cerber wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:38 pmCats are cool, but I seem vibe with foxes a little better :P Maybe it's because those of same family of canines, or because they were one of the first kind of people that I ran in to when I start going "outdoors" and they stuck with me despite all the ups and downs. Loyalty always was the valuable attribute for me.
I get on great with dogs, fantastically even, even ones trained not to get along. foxes are a bit 'feral' though.
Kitty is just a nickname of mine, as a Kathryn.
I also get along great with cats though.
I think birds are the only thing i struggle to get along with. Birds are dicks.


Cerber wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:38 pmThat's true, about eye and physical contact. I don't particularly like close physical contact with other humans (with some rare exceptions), to a point where I'd actually jump a bit if someone touched me unexpectedly, even if it's a friend. For as long as I can remember, never thought it's a big deal, just like some personal quirk. Until one day I scared my friend, once she came up to me from behind, while we were talking, and I was sitting at my pc, and I jumped a bit when she put her hand on my shoulder. She jumped in response apologizing, and then, overanalysing it, because I must have some very traumatic experiences or smth... Then I figured, yes it is a bit of an issue and I should avoid turning my back to people, if don't want to deal with awkward situations.
I think you can sense when anyone try to probe you, I remember doing experiments with empathy, sometimes when I'd take a ride on public transport, great environment for that, lots of people, constantly moving around, no one is staying on the same spot for too long. From my experiments, I noticed about 2 or 3 in 10 would sense it, but not consciously, it's like their body would react, their eyes would just randomly start scanning around for "intrusions" , for a moment, even if they are engaged with some activity, having conversation with someone, or reading something, they would express something that I could only define as subconscious reflex. But then there were 1 or 2 in a 100 that would react very consciously. Some people would stop doing whatever they were doing and actually start looking at me, even if I'm very discreet and only scanning and probing without moving a muscle, not even my eye balls (peripheral vision works just fine).
Not that there were any practical discoveries in such experiments, but those experiences does seem to imply or at least suggest that certain degree of empathy does resides in a lot of people, regular people.
There was a recent interesting experiment about humans are magnetism.
They put people in a sealed room, and went to lengths to make sure people had no remaining sense of their spatial orientation N/S/E/W.
They also hooked them up to an EEG to watch their brain activity.
Then they asked people to identify north. People sucked at it, but got "slightly" better than raw chance would dictate.
Then they tried generating magnetic fields around the room, trying to see if people would react to that in any measurable way and mistake it for north. It didn't work, even with very very powerful magnetic fields.
But then they discovered something really interesting. If they created a magnetic field which was the same intensity as magnetic north (not stronger or weaker, but a very close match for the earth's magnetic north), and then they suddenly moved the magnetic field, even though the test subject remained completely stationary... there was no conscious reaction, but on EEG there was a burst of activity which looked like panic.
Testing more with this, it only worked if they closely mimicked the intensity of the earth's magnetic field, and only if the test subject was stationary when they suddenly moved the magnetic field.
Some part of the brain which was none of the test subjects were consciously aware of, felt a sudden disconnect from their kinesthetic sense of being stationary, with a sudden change in the direction of a magnetic field which feels similar to magnetic north. And the reaction was a "freak out" in parts of the brain not related to conscious thought.
It's the first test which showed that there is some form of magnetic sense in humans, though not conscious at all, and it seems to naturally just filter out all the many magnetic fields we have in modern society.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that empathy, telepathy, and interpersonal "energy" interaction is electromagnetic in nature, I quite strongly think it's not. But, it illustrates the disconnect between the absolute full span of the human senses, and conscious awareness.

I'm not at all surprised at many preconscious reactions to tests like you did in public places.

Honestly, I think the normal state of humans is to be fairly empathically sensitive. I think even things like "personal space", elevator etiquette, meaningful eye contact, etc. stem from empathic sensitivity. We just tend to normalize such sensations and regard them as mundane, because they're so common and everyday to our human experience.

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Amor wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:54 pm I have noticed that if I look at an item of clothing of someone walking a distance in front of me, within 30 seconds they will adjust that bit of clothing.

It seems that there is a ray of energy from the eyes (even when closed) that both makes an impact on the target and provides sensate feedback to the visual apparatus of the watcher.

Hence perhaps the irritated question by a person being observed: Got an eyeful?
On the issue of looking at an article of clothing until someone adjusts it though... such a test would need to be controlled so that the subject cannot see you looking at them. Also, you'd need to video tape them, and list all of their articles of clothing, and how often they touched every item of clothing, compared to the one you're staring at.

I'm not saying I doubt your result, at all, it's exactly what i'd expect. Just trying to tidy up the test methodology :)
there are non-psychic reasons why a person might get agitated if you stare at them ;)

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