OneOfFourth wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:36 pm
A-ha! Now we're getting to the center of things. I've mentioned elsewhere on this forum about an entity or something which I call "The Chameleon" for various reasons (might be an entity or implanted suggestion or both, not 100% sure which). What it's been doing to me is trying to steer my attention and thoughts off certain things. For example if I notice some subject about esoteric things and start thinking about that subject, very quickly I feel how my thought and memory of it fades away unnaturally and is gone in seconds. There's now way of remembering what I just figured out. This happened all the time when I read your above quote; I forgot it's content as I was reading it several times. So what you're writing there is probably close to the center of what The Chameleon doesn't want me to know/figure out/understand.
Thank you! Now I must know more!
When I had what I'd call 'uncontrolled empathy' (or an excess of it perhaps), I would say that I was very chameleon-like. To a degree, we all wear different hats for different parts of our lives, but I kinda had a different hat for every individual person I interacted with. It would go so far as picking up their accent and mannerisms and such, and not as a conscious decision.
I experienced it as a weird blend of both being able to get along with just about anyone, but at the same time having a lot of social anxiety and feeling a need for periodic time alone.
Being like that kinda represents my whole childhood and adolescence, and some bits of adult life. Now I'm kinda at the opposite end of the spectrum hehe. It's no longer my modus operandi, but I find the ability to kinda 'perceive & reciprocate' a very similar 'vibe' to be easily intuitive.
On the topic of certain things evading the mind's focus... I noticed something in trying to perceive entities which did not want to be perceived. I noticed that while kinda scanning for a suspected entity presence. Basically, I noticed that I'd tend to lose focus when scanning (I'm using 'scanning' as a term for kinda 'feeling things out'). So I started making my scanning efforts more regimented and systematic. Kinda like looking closely at every item in a list, rather than skimming around. That seemed to help. But when doing things that way, I noticed a weird thing... sometimes while scanning in this more disciplined way, there still would be spots where I'd just kinda gloss over and skim, even though I was trying very purposefully not to do that. This raised a slight suspicion for me, so I tried looking/feeling very intently on any such spots. In every case, I found that doing so would like 'break through a haze', and find something.
If you've ever read Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe, there's an idea he has in one of the later books called an "SEP field". I'll quote him here:
"An S.E.P. can run almost indefinitely on a torch or a 9 volt battery, and is able to do so because it utilises a person's natural tendency to ignore things they don't easily accept, like, for example, aliens at a cricket match. Any object around which an S.E.P. is applied will cease to be noticed, because any problems one may have understanding it (and therefore accepting its existence) become Somebody Else's Problem. An object becomes not so much invisible as unnoticed.
A perfect example of this would be a ship covered in an SEP field at a cricket match. A starship taking the appearance of a large pink elephant is ideal because you can see it, yet it is so inconceivable, your mind can't accept it. Therefore it can't exist, thus ignoring it comes naturally.
An S.E.P. can work in much the same way in dangerous or uninhabitable environments. Any problem which may present itself to a person inside an S.E.P. (such as not being able to breathe, due to a lack of atmosphere) will become Somebody Else's Problem.
An S.E.P. can be seen if caught by surprise, or out of the corner of one's eye."
Now he was writing comedic science fiction. But the basic idea seems to be fairly close to what I'm describing. Sort of looking for something which the mind seems to want to gloss over, and then focusing right there, intently. Kinda drilling through the protective layer of "these aren't the droids you're looking for", and then "pop" you break through that, and voila! You can see it actually IS the droids you're looking for.
It's not a leap at all, I think, for something similar to apply to thoughts and ideas. Although 'usually' I think such an avoidance of thoughts or ideas would describe an internal issue, which makes you want to avoid it ...I think the idea that such an effect could be implanted from something external is something which also happens. Such a block can also be crafted with hypnosis.
(or maybe I just wrote in a very dry manner and was extra boring to read there
- How do you choose the parts of consciousness / lightbody for the job?
I dunno, reflex. "That looks like a square hole, so i need a square peg probably"
Also, I craft all new parts of consciousness / lightbody, for case specific purposes.
- Do you visualize in your minds eye how you modify/extend the "physical form" of the consciousness / lightbody / energy / something when originally creating that appendage?
Sometimes. More often early on in my practices.
Mostly these days I don't even go so far as to be explicit with visualization like that. Just kinda regard the lightbody almost like a liquid which can harden or apply force in any form or direction, in any manner. And further, that the boundary between individual self as a lightbody, and my 'setting' or surroundings is not completely distinct, so instead of needing to fashion a wrench to loosen a nut, perhaps just extend self/will into the nut and spin.
I guess the answer to the first question is that if you learn to know yourself well enough, you just know which part to choose for the job?
probably some truth to that.
I never did the "trained in XYZ" route though. Always took a 'tinkering' kind of approach.
Wait... Can you modify other person's mind/lightbody/something so that it extends and combines with yours for as long as you want? (years even) Just trying to figure out what The Chameleon could really be.
I wouldn't want to continuously focus on something like that for years though
but you could kinda leave behind a lasting effect. Call it a construct, call it a spell, call it programing, whatever.
I think "post-hypnotic suggestion" is a very similar idea to what you're talking about.
Interestingly, with post-hypnotic suggestion, it works better if there's some form of "automated reinforcement". So that the effect doesn't fade with time. In post hypnotic suggestion, it might be as simple as:
"every time you encounter (insert some common day to day stimulus) you are reminded of XYZ"
It can get much more intricate than that though.
There's a type of hypnotic suggestion which is sometimes referred to as a "curse" (in the hypnosis scene lingo, unrelated to the occult use of the term 'curse'), since it's intended to have a snowballing effect over time, rather than fading. Arguably there are plenty of 'positive change' hypnosis ideas which use exactly the same principals, but don't use the term 'curse' hehe. Like when trying to use hypnosis to quit smoking or something.
In a kinda similar vein, a particularly effective form of occult curse, is to set up something which emphasizes a negative trait in the target which is already present in them. Kinda using a Judo-like sensibility of using an opponents' momentum against them.
Um, it goes without saying that this is a pretty nasty thing to do to another conscious being though. I'm just trying to be thorough on the subject matter, not inspire terrible ideas
Makes sense to me.
oh good. the part of my brain which encodes ideas into words is not very robust
I kinda try to work around it by having a broad vocabulary, and leaning on any cultural references I can think of hehe. Sometimes people think i'm trying to sound snooty with big words, but really I'm struggling with transcribing my ideas into words which actually work (sorta)
It gets really noticeable if I'm sleep deprived or a bit drunk. I may still be able to play a game or do math or rotate a tesseract in the mind's eye, but my syntax starts to (unintentionally) sound like Yoda. Definitely my weak area hehe.
That's my current problem: I don't seem to be able to easily tell the difference between intuition and telepathically received information. But probably as I progress with knowing myself better, I should be able to notice the difference more and more easily.
yeah, it's definitely a learning curve. I'm certainly not perfect at it.
hmmm, I think an attitude I call the "just do it!" mental state, helps though (if I may steal Nike's slogan).
Kind of a "I'm going to do this. I am doing this. This is going to happen. There are no 'if', 'and', or 'buts' about it. This is just the way shit is going to go down. There is no negotiation, no doubt, no second guessing. It's just going to be this way."
Which is definitely an exercise in honing 'Will'. And arguably I think Will is the most important of the facets in working magic (a quick wink at any thelemites out there).
Sometimes I've had things where I didn't know how to approach doing something, and I just said "fuck it, I'm doing it anyway" and it just works. Like some part of you knows what to do, it's just in a huge crowd of other parts of you which don't. And you're commanding that part of you to walk up on center stage and get it done.
Interestingly, I have noticed that this basic 'just do it' principal applies in non magical pursuits just as much. Like, you come to a difficult task and you don't know where to begin, or how to go about it, and you just make up your mind that you're going to get it done regardless. In a workplace, often under-trained new employees will kinda stumble in exactly the same way. And it takes exactly the same kind of self-motivated initiative to overcome.
Um, although that's trickier with something like perception. Cuz you don't want to blast the subject matter with Will, then you're asserting, not perceiving. But you can kinda blast your perceptiveness with Will.
In 2008 I was in a hospital for about 6 weeks. And I didn't see the outside world that whole time (my window only looked out on 'sky'). Anyway, when i got out, I noticed that my ability to focus my eyes on distant objects had actually atrophied significantly. I had to exercise my eyes by looking at close objects, then distant objects (with as sharp a focus as I could), back & forth. And I tried to watch cars travel away from me, and deliberately struggle to keep them in very sharp focus as they got further away. Both of which caused eye strain headaches. But over time, it improved. I can't help thinking there's something a bit similar at play when focusing extra-sensory perception as well. That whole 'exercising an atrophied muscle' kind of idea.
I dunno, just throwing ideas at the wall, seeing what sticks here
I think it's a multifaceted problem. So there's more than one thing to work on to get the hang of it.
I have caffeine hypersensitivity. If I drink coffee, I either get really tired or I first get panic attack and then get really tired. The effects last multiple times longer than for a regular person.
ahhhh, that makes sense. a lot of sense.
I mean, if you're emoting heavily, perceiving others is like trying to listen to someone else while you're talking
I can look at those things from purely psychological perspective, but I have absolutely no idea where to start with thinking them from the energy driven perspective. Never thought of it that way. Any pointers? Can you give a short example of some situation from the energy point of view so I get an idea what you're after here?
ummm, well like, in a crowd... if people have kind of 'zones of self' which extend beyond their physical boundary, then it makes sense that a bunch of people standing close together kinda overlap each other and dilute each others' individuality in a way.
Or if you make eye contact with someone, you feel obliged to say hello, or smile, or look away... I can think of psychological reasons for this, but what if there was something more concrete to that impulse?
Why do people get stage fright?
Why do people feel self conscious?
Why do people get social anxiety?
Why do people notice even a tiny touch, like someone brushing against them in a crowded place, or even a cashier's fingertips touching their hand when they make change?
What if all those things were to do with the movement and interaction of energy bodies, rather than due to poorly-defined and largely evidence-free theories of human behavioral psychology?
Does picturing the audience as naked make you just feel less silly in public speaking because of psychology? Or is that kind of a spell where you're creating a frame of reference, where you feel much more isolated and protected (than the audience) by way of clothing? I mean, one could use imagery like that to craft something like a psychic shield.
Or in predator/prey negotiation. 2 creatures meet, and very rapidly it's argued out (nonverbally) which one is going to run away. Sure a lot of that comes down to biology. But... is a 20 pound badger REALLY more dangerous than a 250 pound deer with feet made of clubs and a head covered in daggers? But deers are timid, so they run away. I think that makes them prey animals far more than any physical trait. In beings with more complex consciousness, such a negotiation becomes much more complex. Since individuals may not display a species-wide reaction to situations. If a person stands up to a bully, that may often deter them. But what if someone just 'intends' to stand up to a bully? Can a bully sense that? Is it just a read on body language? perhaps. But what if there's a louder signal in play? A communication medium which isn't broadly recognized in textbooks, but is universally recognized in practice (often at a pre-conscious level)
What if ALL THE TIME your energy body is interacting with the energy body of every other sentient being around you? What if that's the medium in which "horse whispering" and other such ideas are really functioning?
What if empathy, telepathy, extra sensory perception, human social etiquette, social anxiety, predator-prey dynamics, animal handling, crowd psychology, stage fright, touching, eye contact, human attraction, stage presence, charisma, etc. are all related, or all working on the same radio frequency? A radio frequency as yet un-replicated in the lab. A whole strata of communication, on which mostly humans have no (conscious) idea what they're saying. And what if the substance of that medium is affected by Will, Intent, Focus, etc.? What if the substance of that medium extended even into effects on health, physical ability, etc.? Why do birds flee an earthquake the day before it happens? Sure... they smell the moon reflecting off of swamp gas under a weather balloon (poking a bit of fun at "explain away" styled science). But I mean, we're more clever than birds. Why are we being so dense? Do we actually have to be so dense? Are we so deeply trapped in abstract paradigmatic limitation that we can't perceive & work with that medium?
i'd argue that while people are largely blind to that medium due to their abstract paradigm. If a person actually applies abstract reasoning IN that medium, then we have greater advantage within it than any other creature living on earth.
Granted I'm into self awareness, inter-consciousness effects, energy manipulation, OBE, and entity interaction. Some people are into different things and may have a different perspective. I see all of my areas of interest as having a lot (like, a TON) of overlapping concepts and means.
I have to figure out some simple experiments which would show me if I get this working reliably or not.
best one for easy receptive telepathy or mind reading practice, or i should say the 'easiest', is in real-time text based chat on the internet.
text lacks 'tone' (to a large degree anyway), and it lacks facial expressions or body language, so it kinda forces you to tune in to the other person's intent. There's mutual focus, at the same time. (it waynes very noticeably if the other person is distracted though).
I think it's helpful to have a chat program which notifies you that the other person is typing. In the course of normal conversation. Sometimes someone will say something ambiguous. It could be as simple as them over-using pronouns, so what they said wasn't clear, for example. So if you ask "did you mean this
?". And you're focused on them, and just waiting on knowing that particular information. Often I find that right before, or right as, they begin typing an answer, before they have sent it, you can perceive which way they meant it. Example:
A: "I have 2 dogs, Spot and Rover. Anyway, he keeps picking on the other one, and I don't know what to do about them"
B: "wait, is Spot picking on Rover? or is Rover picking on Spot?"
> 'A is typing a message' <----right there, at that moment.
Before what they're typing pops up as a sent message, answer your own question! don't think "I don't know", just answer it. pretend you figured it out or something, whatever. Just think "the answer is ____". Like if someone says "when I snap my fingers just blurt out the first word which pops into your head", except the word has to be either Spot or Rover, and the finger snap is > 'A is typing a message'
Quickly I think you'll find that it makes a big difference how long you've been chatting with the person, and how distracted either of you are. Also you'll likely find that "the sensation of the answer" slightly
precedes > 'A is typing a message'.
In some cases, if the other person was briefly distracted by going to grab a glass of water or something, maybe they were afk for 60 seconds or something, you can even tell when they get back to the computer, right before they begin typing, because of the sensation of the answer, which will immediately precede their typing a response.
You won't always guess right. But over time you'll start to notice that when you are right, you're right 'a lot' in the same conversation. The distribution of your right/wrong guesses is not random. There's information in the data field of 'when' you are right. What variables pair with being right more often? What variables reduce your ratio of guessing right? And probably most importantly: what subtle sensations accompany your answers when you have a streak of right answers?
I mean you'll want to be on guard against personal validation fallacy (you'll be right half the time just by chance). And you want to avoid overestimating a lucky streak (which is statistically likely now & then). It's best if the other person does not know you're trying to perceive their thoughts. When people know they try to 'think at you' which really is just abstract noise and not genuine impulses of raw thought.
I am reminded of a phone call with my ex fiance. About two years prior to this phone call, I had mentioned his legs were 'scratchy', and he jokingly said he could shave them and just tell everyone he was gonna be a pro swimmer or a body builder. It never came up again, it was a billion miles away from any ongoing frame of reference. Anyway, fast forward about 2 years... on a phone call, he said "guess what?" and I said "i dunno, what?" and he said "no no, guess!", so I said "ok fine" and after a moment's pause I blurted out "oh my god you shaved your legs!" and I didn't say it like a question, I didn't have any uncertainty, I knew I was right, and I was kinda shocked. He didn't say anything at all, so i pressed on "was it like a razor? or did you use that chemical stuff? you gotta be careful with the chemical stuff, it can really do a nasty chemical burn on sensitive areas... what made you decide to do it anyway?" eventually he started talking again. His first words were "Jesus, I thought you were making it all up". And then he kinda had an existential crisis for a while.
When it's just a flow from subconscious, the imagery just morphs from one thing to the next.
that sounds exactly right to me.
When I receive a message, the imagery either stays put as is for a very long time or repeats identically in a short loop until I understand it.
I do almost an identical thing:
I ask a question in my mind and concentrate on it. Then I suddenly start falling asleep so that I basically lose my sense of identity/ego/self. Then I quickly seem to snap back up with a clear answer in my mind. Sometimes it's just a clear knowing / context of information. Othertimes it's a memory of a sentence I heard just a few seconds ago, even though I didn't experience hearing that sentence, as I was basically 100% unconscious at the time.
I did some exploring of sleep and near-sleep states for a while. I don't have any data I could write about meaningfully in any depth, but an interesting topic. I'm not a huge fan of new-age authors really, but Edgar Cayce was fairly interesting. Then again my criteria for a great author on esoteric topics is "someone I only disagree with half the time" hehe
I had one interesting experience where I was dreaming, but not technically asleep. Like, when you dream you're in a certain part of the sleep cycle, associated with REM. And normally that's late in the sleep cycle. But through sleep deprivation (not on purpose, in this case), I was effectively dreaming whenever I closed my eyes. Close my eyes, penguins. Open my eyes, hotel room. Close again, penguins. etc. I was awake enough during it to comment on it some.
I've had more success with (what do we call this anyway? getting information from the universe?) anyway, I've had more success with it by kinda just doing somewhat altered states of mind while fully conscious. I'm not particularly good at it though. Although the "just do it!" idea, and the "SNAP! the answer is ____!" ideas maybe touch on this topic somewhat.
Often in conversations if someone says "I can't find my keys" or something, I'll just say "oh you left them on... quick! tell me where you left them!". And almost always people get annoyed with me for being unhelpful. But I'm like "noooo turn off the part of your brain which knows you can't find them, and just answer the question anyway!", which makes them more annoyed usually. hehe. But I'm convinced it would work if they weren't pre-filtering their thoughts so heavily. Even if they said the wrong answer, it would probably trigger the part of their brain which does know where the keys are, to say "no that's wrong, they're on the other thing" which still solves the problem
One could argue that the mind reading thing is really just accessing psychic knowledge rather than reading the other person. Since I've done both. But I think the mind reading thing has a palpable feel to it which is quite different.
Sorry if this is too long!
I dunno about phpBB, but on the original forum, this would be pushing the character limit of a single post.