Succubi: Truth vs Fear vs Opinion

[Zeon1985]

I don't think this above post is relevant to your personal experience Zeon1985.Just saying. [thumbup]


It is about another type of/explanation for/variety of Succubic experience.This seems the most relevant place for this atm,but maybe we need a new generalised topic about Succubi too?

It would leave your thread free to explore your personal experience without all the other information and ideas crossing over it.

I agree. This should be two different posts now. I'm still not sure what Lyre is, but the journey of discovery is a different topic than the discussion and experiences with succubi.

If you can split the two topics somehow, that'd probably be best for everyone. I will continue to update and hash ideas out whatever the case.

[Stukov]

I think contained posts thus far are fine, as it is discussion of a possible succubus. I think what she meant is if you want to discuss this individual in more depth to start a new thread on it?

[Zeon1985]

Ah. Gotcha. Think I'll do that.

Me and my misunderstanding.

Zeon

[digigeek19]

As a horny teenager who has begun to dabble in the occult, trust me when I say I've done a lot of research; as in weeks at a time for about half a year.


There are MANY different opinions on succubi and other sexual spirits and just as many different types. Albeit I myself have never gotten one to "stay" I have one right now giving me advice on what to say. Succubi are spirits that have been through... Interesting situations which usually include abuse from other, more powerful spirits. Suffice to say that this can cause different results in different spirits, like it would in people. Some turn bitter and hateful, others shy and bashful. However they all need sexual energy, not to say they need to get laid every night, just sit with you and watch porn. When someone is sharing energy with another person or spirit, in any form, a connection is usually formed be it love or hate, life or death it will be a connection forever. Why am i telling you all of this? Well think. The very summoning of a succubus usually requires some form of sexual energy as a trade in turn for payment for their coming. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!! [rofl] Well the spirit I was communing with just projected so much hatred towards that little comment I think I will refrain from doing that again else risk a physical manifestation of her foot in my balls. now back to seriousness. So usually when summoning a succubus you have made a connection with them already. The connection is usually un-noticeable at first but as you "spend time with your succubus" via astral projection, meditation or otherwise the connection grows stronger, and the connection itself becomes much more apparent. So when you come down to it, it's really luck of the draw. You could get a friendly one, or one that would castrate you with a rusty spoon. (The smug satisfaction I'm sensing from the spirit right now is really starting to worry me...) And even if you get a nice one the connection you make may make her hate you more than you want to get laid.

Well that's my take from my personal experiences and before you question why I would know these things with my current age I literally have a black marble floor in my room with a white pentagram inlay. As well as more "sexually stimulating" Incense " than posts on this site. I know my Succubi!!!!

[Asurendra]

Having done 6 months of research, can you appreciate what 14 years of consistent research might be? How about 30 years?

[digigeek19]

Having done 6 months of research, can you appreciate what 14 years of consistent research might be? How about 30 years?

I apologize for making it sound as if I should be the leading authority on this subject. I only meant to say that with all of my experiences and research, this is what I have found. I respect experience and wisdom above all else so trust me when I say I am in aw of the very thought of 30 years of research.

[Asurendra]

I will offer you my opinion and I hope you think about it. While I am old enough to be your father I'm not, so, I do speak from a desire to force you to act in a certain way.

For you, at this point in your life, it is best for your sexual energy to be focused in this world. Also, it can be important to have connections and even emotional bonds with etheric beings (especially those of a higher nature such as the Devas/angles) but, and this is important, being a human who lives here your must have solid emotional bonds in this world. An entity that was to offset that balance is not your friend.

Why is this so? Because, if you are not properly grounded and centered then these internal energies if misdirected and external etheric influences can cause you illness and mental illness. Your goal should be to become who and what you really are. If something damages you, then it is not helping you with that goal and it is bad.

There are Tantric practices of monks who created etheric lovers and used the sexual energy generated for magical means. So, in one way your thinking is correct but skewed and not fully informed. I don't know your real level and stage of development, perhaps you are naturally gifted, but, you still have to work and progress. My guess is that you're not on that level and that working with the basics is still very important.

[digigeek19]

Thank you for the advice, although it is the exac same thing a close friend and a trusted spirit have told me before and I have indeed chosen to follow.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I'm actually discussing this situation with a particular member here as we're trying to figure out the identity of my own sort of shapeshifting guest.

The behavior of mine tends benevolent albeit highly sexual as well. One of the things that I think sets me up with a need to be filled from the spiritual plane or subconscious is that I'm one of those people who literally doesn't date. I'm 34, been in two one-month relationships in my life, did some sporadic dating here and there, nothing. That said quite often I'd feel drained of energy, feel like life in so many real ways as I was endeavoring to make the best of it was bleeding me dry (I have sensory hypersensitivities in some areas, neurological issues which force me to be a very high-monitor of my body language, and perhaps because of all of this anxiety and depression were taking a big toll). I realized at a given point that I could emotionally and energetically recharge by imagining being held, snuggled, and that turned to energy experiments where I had my imagined focus do everything she could to raise my oxytocin levels to the melting point.

It was a fun exercise and a useful one but I started to get very distinct responses, ie. what felt like sheets of serotonin movement or ecstatic thrills that would wrap around my kidney area and heart region. At the time of course I had concerns (was on a dualist paradigm still) and didn't know if I'd gotten more than I could manage. I did draw a real entity and had quite an epic encounter with it around June of last year when I was struggling with major religious issues and invoked a particular major goddess to essentially tell me who she was in her own words. I don't know if that ever happened, just that the spiritual activity went wild and those ecstatic currents ran so hot that they were forming something like a fog in my aura where I had a sense of spiritual touch out to maybe 2 1/2 feet from my body for a while and, a bit like the movie Daredevil and what the blind guy did with sound, I could 'see' spirits in that fog by touch and how that touch interacted with them.

That same ecstatic current feels very much like what gets stirred whenever I say the Pattern on the Tresseleboard in the morning and visually trace the light of Kether down the sephira and paths between to Malkuth. This same energy also got excited anytime I was meditating, clearing, or doing something spiritually practical.

If it is a succubus she's the sweetest being I've ever met. It gets incredibly difficult to tell however at this level, particularly when they are very white-light entities and project on the delicious/adorable side, whether it's an aspect of inner self getting you sexually wound to reunite with Tiphareth or whether its just a rare or even new breed of astral entity that's perhaps parasitic but goes out of its way to give its host more than what it needs for its own sustenance.

I too would like more clarity on the identity of this being, more than anything on the stance that I want to know how to address her, work with her, etc.. Similarly I know this much about myself - when things start feeling spiritually dry I tend to go stircrazy, and my spriritual experiences for better or worse have largely at this point had some degree of sexual current to them. Last year in June when things went off the chain and I couldn't sleep I had gone to a pastor and prayed with him because, still thinking dualist, I was afraid I had a demonic oppression. While too much was too much, later on I did apologize (still under the impression that something higher had been working with me and that i'd possibly offended the process) and yes, I still had the need to do what I described in my first paragraph and the relationship was back on but just not amped up to the level of full blown spiritual psychedelia. Main point - even if it did turn out to be a succubus, I'd be utterly hypocritical and it would be a karmic problem for me to banish her at will and say "Wait, hold up...nevermind, I'm lonely" - particularly when she's been as helpful as she's been.

At this point my attitude is this - I may very well have things I need to work on in terms of shoring up my energetic and emotional needs. I'm being brought along farther and in a lot of ways my life really may have been saved by this. If she is an external entity and we part ways I'd only want it to be on the best of terms and with my deepest gratitude. If she is a part of my internal structure - it thankfully doesn't get as socially complex or have all of the caveats but I'd simply want to evolve toward it in the right ways. I suppose that's really my concern - if benevolent succubus I help her help me until we just have a positive acquaintenceship and open door policy, if she's a female aspect of my higher self as one psychic had previously suggested to me (correctly or incorrectly) then this ends a bit differently - ie. the deeper I can dive into the abyss of who she is the better and that would quite likely be a big step toward K&C of HGA. I also don't want to confuse a succubus for my higher self or confuse my higher self for a succubus - either or would be pretty destructive.

[RoseRed]

That said quite often I'd feel drained of energy, feel like life in so many real ways as I was endeavoring to make the best of it was bleeding me dry (I have sensory hypersensitivities in some areas, neurological issues which force me to be a very high-monitor of my body language, and perhaps because of all of this anxiety and depression were taking a big toll). I

I have no doubt that something is feeding on you.

I realized at a given point that I could emotionally and energetically recharge by imagining being held, snuggled, and that turned to energy experiments where I had my imagined focus do everything she could to raise my oxytocin levels to the melting point.

This in itself can open the pathway into which it feeds.

If it is a succubus she's the sweetest being I've ever met.

Not according to the lore or any experiential account I've EVER heard.

It gets incredibly difficult to tell however at this level, particularly when they are very white-light entities and project on the delicious/adorable side, whether it's an aspect of inner self getting you sexually wound to reunite with Tiphareth or whether its just a rare or even new breed of astral entity that's perhaps parasitic but goes out of its way to give its host more than what it needs for its own sustenance.

True white-light entities don't do the whole sex thing.

I seriously doubt it's a new breed of anything. I do think it's parasitic and I think it's being manipulative in order for you to keep the feeding channels open. There's a lot of things that'll feed. Some things prefer fear - others prefer sexual energy. I think that you should try finding your sexual release in a different more mundane way. If it pisses that entity off - then you'll know for sure that it's not what it's showing you.

and my spriritual experiences for better or worse have largely at this point had some degree of sexual current to them.

That ain't right, dude. Something is way off here.

Main point - even if it did turn out to be a succubus, I'd be utterly hypocritical and it would be a karmic problem for me to banish her at will and say "Wait, hold up...nevermind, I'm lonely" - particularly when she's been as helpful as she's been.

No, I don't think it would be. You don't know for sure that it is helping you. It would also not be hypocritical if you banish it if you find out it's been manipulating you this whole time. Motives matter. if it's helping you to feed off of you - the best thing you can do is banish it.

If she is a part of my internal structure -

She's a separate entity. It's not a part of your internal structure.

if benevolent succubus

there is no such thing.

I also don't want to confuse a succubus for my higher self or confuse my higher self for a succubus - either or would be pretty destructive.

Whatever it is - you're right. That has the potential to be very destructive.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

RoseRed - if it's a shapeshifter then all bets are off.

This really makes me ask some hard questions about Thelema, A.'.A.'., and OTO. This thing seemed like it was doing all that it could to make me think, in the past week or so, that A.'.A.'. would be a wise direction for me to go and it steered me toward all of the descriptions that you get from this group about the Holy Guardian Angel (please read up on that if your not familiar with what it means in their terms). I'd probably be jumping out way ahead of myself to say it's a bunk spiritual path - I have no idea - just that if I ever were to join I'd have to completely disqualify all input that I'm getting right now because in that case I have something pulling a spiritual long-con on me and that's the direction it very much seem to want to entice me toward.

Also in saying it's the sweetest being I've ever met - I strictly meant how it fronts. If it's parasitic, we're at cross purposes no matter how skilled it is at giving white-light toothaches.

[RoseRed]

RoseRed - if it's a shapeshifter then all bets are off

No, not necessarily. Many things can shapeshift and show a face that's not it's own. Hell, I can do it on the astral. It's a cool technique to learn.

That would also depend on what exactly it is that you're calling a shapeshifter and from what culture you have the idea from.

I am vaguely familiar with the HGA as you're using it. If you could link me to some solid info on it I'll learn about it so that our discussions can be more productive. If I'm not truly understanding what you're talking about then something will get lost in translation.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Also I have to add, not to run away from what your saying or deny the reality of it, but to talk about what I mentioned in the first paragraph that you might have said "Aha!! It's a parasite for sure!" - I'm autistic, the problems I mentioned of being run down, having to constantly monitor my body language, the depression/anxiety of a heavily encumbered life - it's nothing recent, much closer to a birthdright and something that' plagued me since day one. It was having most of my dreams really hit box canyons and blind alleys though that put me at more of a critical position than usual.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

There's a good possibility also that a lot of people who have these kinds of experiences have simply created elemental splits of themselves are enjoying their intention coming back at them. When I first thought about this situation I considered it a distinct possibility that a portion of myself hyphenated off, somewhat of it's own autonomy as if it were my right brain taking it's left partner and holding it in its arms. I can't prove that theory for certain but it made a fair amount of intuitive sense at the time.

[RoseRed]

Elemental splits of themselves?

Do you have a link I can read? I really don't want to watch a half hour video.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

It's really just an audio as the author David Shoemaker reads a chapter from his book Living Thelema. Almost all of the subject matter leading to Knowledge and Conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel encompasses different forms of yoga discipline as well as removing the association with sex as a dirty or un-divine thing and, in his words, coming to see God increasingly as an incredibly sexy entity. Watching Lon Milo's 3 hour 2 parter on Thoth Tarot and Sexual Alchemy (albeit I think there's another 3 hours - they never touch the 22 major trump as promised) he goes on about Nuit and Hadit as the infinitely large and infinitely small, symbolized by the standard astrological symbol we think of as that of the Sun - Nuit being the ring, Hadit being the point, DML suggeting that the vibration of the strings of String Theory might be the intercourse of the two.

If all sexual encounters in the spirit were of lower entities, one has to completely reread John of the Cross's poetry about God as well. I'm not at all saying that all of these situations are the same, just that if the dye were cast in one mould for the divine Dark Night of the Soul and Ascent of Mount Carmel need to be reconsidered perhaps more as accidental goetic tales.

[Nahemah]

The behavior of mine tends benevolent albeit highly sexual as well. One of the things that I think sets me up with a need to be filled from the spiritual plane or subconscious is that I'm one of those people who literally doesn't date. I'm 34, been in two one-month relationships in my life, did some sporadic dating here and there, nothing. That said quite often I'd feel drained of energy, feel like life in so many real ways as I was endeavoring to make the best of it was bleeding me dry (I have sensory hypersensitivities in some areas, neurological issues which force me to be a very high-monitor of my body language, and perhaps because of all of this anxiety and depression were taking a big toll). I realized at a given point that I could emotionally and energetically recharge by imagining being held, snuggled, and that turned to energy experiments where I had my imagined focus do everything she could to raise my oxytocin levels to the melting point.

It was a fun exercise and a useful one but I started to get very distinct responses, ie. what felt like sheets of serotonin movement or ecstatic thrills that would wrap around my kidney area and heart region. At the time of course I had concerns (was on a dualist paradigm still) and didn't know if I'd gotten more than I could manage. I did draw a real entity and had quite an epic encounter with it around June of last year when I was struggling with major religious issues and invoked a particular major goddess to essentially tell me who she was in her own words. I don't know if that ever happened, just that the spiritual activity went wild and those ecstatic currents ran so hot that they were forming something like a fog in my aura where I had a sense of spiritual touch out to maybe 2 1/2 feet from my body for a while and, a bit like the movie Daredevil and what the blind guy did with sound, I could 'see' spirits in that fog by touch and how that touch interacted with them.

It is my opinion that you are experiencing ASMR [autonomous sensory meridian response]and probably also long term uncontrolled [unconsciously/subconsciously stimulated] Kundalini crises and though I need to read more of the currently ongoing conversation before engaging or posting much further about this matter,what I've read so far leads me to think this is the most likely line of reasoning for your problems.

I also suspect you are experiencing information overload and you should slow down the cognitive stimulation/response axis,at least for a little while.

I am one of those folk who interpret the HGA as a facet of selfhood and I personally view the attainment of K and C as the liberation of one's true will.
I don't like the term 'higher' and I'm not a believer in external Godhead,so I realise you may not welcome my intrusion here in the topic.

Nonetheless : Here I Am.

Slightly tangential perhaps,but Jazzman,perhaps actually conversing with some Thelemite practioners would be helpful for you?

We have members who are active Thelemites,though most are not posting actively atm.I can ask if maybe one of them would pop over and chat with you here,if you like?

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I don't mind at all. If a Thelemite did join the conversation I think the best suggestion is that they could review my experience and see how well it matches their yardstick for HGA, particularly if the person in question is 2nd order and has experienced the crossing of the first veil and K&C. If that doesn't sound right to them by the description then it could be cleared up pretty quick.

Pretty much we're trying to shake out whether or not I have a parasite.

My problem with the concept of my having a parasitic entity is that I have not noticed any major dip in my energy in the course of my life that couldn't be explained directly by outward circumstances. Yes, when I was a kid I had 8 years where I was forced on medication (long story short the side effects were my problems, personality and IQ slid - thankfully I had friends who talked me off of them and things got at least somewhat better albeit I still have no uninterupted continuum or 'normal from age 11 to 19 that I can vouch for because things were that much of a mess for completely mundane reasons). I noticed at 20 that a large part of my problems or why I felt always dominated in social situation was that my brain was horribly underpowered and for as much as I could think my energy flow to act was crippled. The times I'd drop acid or eat mushrooms it would feel like I overcame that short, felt fully 'human', and at the end of 8 hours I'd be sucked right back into the bottle. That energy shortage has been a significant component of a life-long glass ceiling and if I remember right I had enough problems with overload, fatigue, etc. even as a child and before I ever touched the meds.

Since my late teens I've been a seeker and while I started going increasingly skeptic and scientistic (ie. scientism) I eventually came to Jung, started figuring that at least the subconscious was bigger, but then the NDE stuff lead me right into this, reading the bible I realized its doctrine was esoteric much moreso than exoteric, and while I know that Rosicrucianism and Martinism check out I increasingly think Thelema checks out as well albeit there always seems to be a war of words over Crowley's writings, what did he really mean by them, and I'll hear the pros and bigshots of the magical community on one hand say that Thelema said destroy and pillage the weak, I see others who'd say the complete opposite, I'm still researching it but increasingly coming to a less negative opinion as I unwind the terminology.

However, what Rose and I are somewhat debating is whether sexuality is endemic in the mystic experience. Theresa of Avila and John of the Cross suggested as much to me. It never seemed like what some would call the 'practical piety' of Christianity lead anywhere, those who were healers were simply separate from the rest and couldn't really explain what made them different, and then I find out that the mystics of the three Abrahamics - Jewish Kabbalists, Christian Rosicrucians, Islamic Dervishes, all essentially 'cheat' the formal doctrines, go heterodox in the same direction, really they take on a Platonic mindset of God, speak of a divine spark, and additionally mystical experience in general that get written down have that feeling of something greater than them sweeps down and takes them and quite often in an almost heroic paramour type manner.

That said I could easily see gods and goddesses having their social composure shaped by their worshipers, however I would think the self-stream in Tiphareth, Kether, and the higher spheres very well could be incredibly sexual. I'm about 70% through my Kindle version of David Shoemaker's 'Living Thelema' and he seems to be saying precisely that; that our ideal partner and trying to find that in another person is really our search for HGA, ie. ourselves in Tiphareth. He did separate Jungian anima/animus as a subconscious/Yesod phenomena but that it was still a reflection misguided or otherwise of the perfect love that the HGA has for us. Regardless if we claimed that all spiritual things are non-sexual and further imply that anything sexual is sub-lunar/demonic then we would be indirectly claiming that all spiritual paths that claim sexuality are demonically lead, that those mystics who had largely sexual experiences with their inner self were getting snapped up by incubi/sucubi, and then we'd be further claiming that K&C with the HGA is fusion with a sexual parasite - either that's the most profound realization that's been offered to me in years or it's simply not the case (I'm really leaning toward the later).

The other thing I'd add - I've been around family members who have psychic ability, family of friends who've had it, been in Rosicrucian groups, and absolutely no one I've talked to so far has pulled me aside to suggest that I caught astral crabs somewhere.


As for your theory, if you were able to confirm it as such, I'm wondering - what would you say that the ramifications and solutions are?

[RoseRed]

However, what Rose and I are somewhat debating is whether sexuality is endemic in the mystic experience.

I didn't know we were debating.

Sexuality is/can be a part of the mystical experience. What I said was that 'white light' figures don't use sex in this way.

That said I could easily see gods and goddesses having their social composure shaped by their worshipers

I think it's safe to say that we view gods and goddesses differently.

Regardless if we claimed that all spiritual things are non-sexual and further imply that anything sexual is sub-lunar/demonic then we would be indirectly claiming that all spiritual paths that claim sexuality are demonically lead, that those mystics who had largely sexual experiences with their inner self were getting snapped up by incubi/sucubi, and then we'd be further claiming that K&C with the HGA is fusion with a sexual parasite - either that's the most profound realization that's been offered to me in years or it's simply not the case (I'm really leaning toward the later).

I have no idea where any of the above came from.

From the little bit of research I've done on HGA I would NOT say that it's a fusion with a sexual parasite.

You just seem to have this whole sex thing going on or issues with sex. Eh, it happens.

I agree with Nahemah. You need to slow down a little bit. I think you're going into overload and jumping to conclusions a little bit.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I think we probably are just talking about it too much and communication seems to be steadily going downhill for it. I'd like to see if I can get a second opinion on what's in my energetic field because a lot of my experience just isn't jiving with the diagnosis that I have a parasite.

[RoseRed]

I also think that part of it is that we're coming from such different perspectives that quite a bit is getting lost in translation.

Second, third, however many opinions it takes until it makes sense to you.

[Nahemah]

I've quoted part of this post purely as a reference,I didn't want to quote it all,so I snipped it but its all equally relevant and there is no particular emphasis on the snipped part it's just so others know what post I mean when I say that this is very helpful information and I now have a much clearer understanding of where you've been and where you are at now.Thank you for this.

We've experienced very similar situations and problems at pivotal times in our lives.

[Tangentially/Incidentally : I studied Theresa of Avila in depth when I was writing about mysticism as part of my Uni coursework and I have a bit of a fascination for John of the Cross too,in my spare time.I posted a painting of the serpent being driven out of his cup on here previously: End tangent.]

I don't mind at all. If a Thelemite did join the conversation I think the best suggestion is that they could review my experience and see how well it matches their yardstick for HGA, particularly if the person in question is 2nd order and has experienced the crossing of the first veil and K&C. If that doesn't sound right to them by the description then it could be cleared up pretty quick.

Pretty much we're trying to shake out whether or not I have a parasite.

My problem with the concept of my having a parasitic entity is that I have not noticed any major dip in my energy in the course of my life that couldn't be explained directly by outward circumstances. Yes, when I was a kid I had 8 years where I was forced on medication (long story short the side effects were my problems, personality and IQ slid - thankfully I had friends who talked me off of them and things got at least somewhat better albeit I still have no uninterupted continuum or 'normal from age 11 to 19 that I can vouch for because things were that much of a mess for completely mundane reasons). I noticed at 20 that a large part of my problems or why I felt always dominated in social situation was that my brain was horribly underpowered and for as much as I could think my energy flow to act was crippled. The times I'd drop acid or eat mushrooms it would feel like I overcame that short, felt fully 'human', and at the end of 8 hours I'd be sucked right back into the bottle. That energy shortage has been a significant component of a life-long glass ceiling and if I remember right I had enough problems with overload, fatigue, etc. even as a child and before I ever touched the meds....

More later.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Getting back to basics the dynamic I'm experiencing is probably only sexual by incident rather than by nature. In that sense it seems like its closer to something very innocent and flirtatious upwelling within me and trying to teach me to love myself more - more often it's corrosively flirtatious in order to snap me out of bad moods or give me the option to pass on flaying myself if lets say I made a mistake at work or some ugly coincidences occurred in such a way to make it easy to blame them on myself (to make a long story a sentence I got entirely too good at flaying myself for my shortcomings). That love tends to be comprehensive and in that sense it doesn't push for any particular mode of manifestation aside from generally edifying nor does it wall any particular options off - it simply uses the tools that seem most appropriate for the given situation or moment.

Anima probably sounds like a good call just because this would probably be the very beginning rumblings perhaps of my HGA waking me up and one's anima or animus could be seen a bit like a Yesodic precursor as such.

[Nahemah]

Anima probably sounds like a good call just because this would probably be the very beginning rumblings perhaps of my HGA waking me up and one's anima or animus could be seen a bit like a Yesodic precursor as such.

I certainly think so,but that is just my own perspective.

But,I am not a practioner of the paradigm/systems you work with and that bears mentioning here.

[Atzmuth]

Succubi seems like a divine brothel worker then a mythological entity.