Which order should I apply for?

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Hadit wrote:Your only problem with Hitler is his ego?
I'm saying his form of government was genius but he was a psycho inside and out. Him and his generals got desperate half way through the war after losing the Moscow invasion, so they decided they'd permanently eliminate any potential communist supporters, which at the time, was most believed to be majority jewish. Thus starting the holocaust. At first it was like in America with the Japanese camps, but in Germany, those camps were turned into extermination camps.
Franco, on the other hand, was hellbent on winning the civil war to create a secure military state in preparation for a predicted homeland invasion by the allied powers. But it never came. The Spanish civil war was terrible but when the government was finally reconstructed, it was a formidable independent kingdom. . . Unity and Stability. Europe could learn something from the early 20th century models, but liberals are too scared of recreating war, violence, and prejudice, which is understandable. But given the current state of the capitalist world with all its material corruption, social class conflicts, economic crisis, and lowering standards of living, It's becoming evident that new options need to be explored.

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Liberator wrote:"The order of nine angles" stand for Neo-Nazism and Social-Darwinism which I am strongly against and want destroyed. Any others associated to tampering with the casual world that are the opposite, what would be considered the "extreme opposite" of social-darwinism/Neo-Nazism or do not have it?

Also why did "the gods" stop interacting with us at late BCE?
Fascism/Socialism are the only truly operational government forms there are in the western world. The problem is that the liberal masses are so damn afraid of power (because of the monsters they created in WWII) that it is not socially acceptable to support a government that directly acknowledges the need for security, balance, and unity in a sovereign state . Though socialism is considered a far left ideology, the societies Hitler and Franco created when they finally unified the interest of the people were similar in a lot of ways and accomplished many of the same things. Very low unemployment, very low crime, balanced economy, foreign affairs didn't run the government, ideals over exaggerated individualism, secure borders, balance between classes, direct action in times of conflict, self sustained production of resources, etc. Only thing is, Hitler and Mussolini got drunk on their own power. Franco, however, refrained from causing international conflict and focused on maintaining a secure state.

Neo-nazism is known to be a white supremacist ideology (publicly known to be tied to criminal groups), not exactly national socialist or fascist.
Are you kidding? The western world's government is already fascist, especially now since the TPP has officially passed. It's been proven the U.S president is not truly chosen by the people. What we need is Libertarian-Socialism(Neither government nor corporate dominion) with expansion of group ownership of workplaces where none rule over one another + are maintained/funded through public interest as seen under Robespierre during the French Revolution. The invention of the Bitcoin also makes it more possible, a non-profit currency run by the public/masses.

Socialism is the opposite of plutocracy/fascism, instead of being centered around corporations and CEOs it is centred around workers and unions' interests. And direct democracy, however if it is done under the Authoritarian-Left way again it is not socialist but state capitalist in practice(Individualism done by the state via cult of personality). It must focus on the needs of the public instead of government or any "leader", thus Libertarian-Socialism/French Revolution system is the best option for "Socialism". Might have "mob rule" but atleast no corruption, humans are fallible beings and none should hold any centralized power. Centralized power belongs to the gods.

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Liberator wrote:Are you kidding? The western world's government is already fascist, especially now since the TPP has officially passed. It's been proven the U.S president is not truly chosen by the people. What we need is Libertarian-Socialism(Neither government nor corporate dominion) with expansion of group ownership of workplaces where none rule over one another + are maintained/funded through public interest as seen under Robespierre during the French Revolution. The invention of the Bitcoin also makes it more possible, a non-profit currency run by the public/masses.

Socialism is the opposite of plutocracy/fascism, instead of being centered around corporations and CEOs it is centred around workers and unions' interests. And direct democracy, however if it is done under the Authoritarian-Left way again it is not socialist but state capitalist in practice(Individualism done by the state via cult of personality). It must focus on the needs of the public instead of government or any "leader", thus Libertarian-Socialism/French Revolution system is the best option for "Socialism". Might have "mob rule" but at least no corruption, humans are fallible beings and none should hold any centralized power. Centralized power belongs to the gods.
If there is no centralized power, there are even less means of coming to a common conclusion, no central authority means disfunction among an entire society that is forced to coexist with people who may not have the same interest. Parties inevitably form no matter what model is beings used. Having too many parties surrounding an undermined central authority results in what Syrian is currently going through. constant rebellion with too many groups to count.

The authority doesn't have to be totally economic either. Admittedly, the beauty of socialism is that it's not necessarily such a black-white system. But isn't Libertarian socialism identified alongside communism? Except without the central government? Along with anarchism?
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XxMxX wrote:
Liberator wrote:Are you kidding? The western world's government is already fascist, especially now since the TPP has officially passed. It's been proven the U.S president is not truly chosen by the people. What we need is Libertarian-Socialism(Neither government nor corporate dominion) with expansion of group ownership of workplaces where none rule over one another + are maintained/funded through public interest as seen under Robespierre during the French Revolution. The invention of the Bitcoin also makes it more possible, a non-profit currency run by the public/masses.

Socialism is the opposite of plutocracy/fascism, instead of being centered around corporations and CEOs it is centred around workers and unions' interests. And direct democracy, however if it is done under the Authoritarian-Left way again it is not socialist but state capitalist in practice(Individualism done by the state via cult of personality). It must focus on the needs of the public instead of government or any "leader", thus Libertarian-Socialism/French Revolution system is the best option for "Socialism". Might have "mob rule" but at least no corruption, humans are fallible beings and none should hold any centralized power. Centralized power belongs to the gods.
If there is no centralized power, there are even less means of coming to a common conclusion, no central authority means disfunction among an entire society that is forced to coexist with people who may not have the same interest. Parties inevitably form no matter what model is beings used. Having too many parties surrounding an undermined central authority results in what Syrian is currently going through. constant rebellion with too many groups to count.

The authority doesn't have to be totally economic either. Admittedly, the beauty of socialism is that it's not necessarily such a black-white system. Good idea with the Libertarian-socialism.
Centralized power is best left to the gods, they already have it over this existence. People not having centralized power ensures no contradiction and allows them to be ruled by these less/non-fallible beings.

Also prepares them to be ruled should the beings called "the gods" start interacting with humanity again. Have to save them from destroying the earth and themselves.

I never completely trust human authority for this reason due to the fact they can be fallible. Hence I put it like 3. Myself 2. Proven experts to an extent and 1. "The gods" in the order of who I answer to.
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Liberator wrote:Centralized power is best left to the gods, they already have it over this existence. People not having centralized power ensures no contradiction and allows them to be ruled by these less/non-fallible beings.

Also prepares them to be ruled should the beings called "the gods" start interacting with humanity again. Have to save them from destroying the earth and themselves.

I never completely trust human authority for this reason due to the fact they can be fallible. Hence I put it like 3. Myself 2. Proven experts to an extent and 1. "The gods" in the order of who I answer to.
The only problem with that is when people like the Christians/Jews/Muslims start showing up. lol God then becomes a part of government and we end up with divine monarchy. How would anyone be able to defend against people like that if there is no central collaboration? If you're talking about 'the gods' being many among a number of different cultures, as a factor of tribalism, that only makes the majority more susceptible to conquest. Then again, collaboration doesn't necessarily have to mean government. . .

BTW, national socialism promotes tribalism. Pride and preservation of the ideals and culture of the peoples that dwell within their homeland. . .

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Am I bad if I recommend OP join Joy of Satan?
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the_spiral wrote:Am I bad if I recommend OP join Joy of Satan?
Well, while the OP may fit there it's always bad to recommend JoS haha. I don't know what happened here, I was really enjoying this thread too.
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So to summarise, I think the consensus is that you should apply to join the Communist Party.

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Eremita wrote:So to summarise, I think the consensus is that you should apply to join the Communist Party.
Marxist-Leninists* for him? The term is very broad. Also nah they would hate neo-Nazis and Social-Darwinists if he subscribes to one of their beliefs unless they were probably the "National-Bolshevism" type.

Also he was asking for an occult order, not a semi-religion/spiritual/philosophical political faction of people.

Many Discordians participated in Communist parties or still do today but no indication of if they worship or serve any deity. They are a broad ideal name based on achieving slower abolition of the state. Based on anti-authority much like Anarchists.

Its 21st century counterparts act and think very much like the Libertarians of today.

Libertarian-Socialism has aspects from both(Governmental views of Libertarianism, Socialist economic principles/ways) and may even be Marx's original intentions. Public services which are truly funded by public interest + generosity and run by a group of voluntary people. No centralized power in private life or public life, its always a disaster when humanity has centralized power anyway and should be avoided. Centralized power is for the gods, never meant for people and trying to take it is equal to attempting to usurp them.

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