Fire+Water+Air = Earth ?

[RockDemon]

Hi guys, for a while I was thinking...
So we have this motto "As above so below, as below so above"

As far as I understand its meaning (or one of the meanings), it means that there are correspondences between the lower material plane and the higher spiritual plane.
For instance during the creation we have the first two elements come from Akasha then they combine and there is the mediator element Air. In the material world this is indeed the case Fire + Water and we have steam, sorts of air... Then during the creation Fire water and air combine and we have the earth element. However in our material world Fire + Water + Air doesn't result in earth ... What are your thoughts on this ?

[Rin]

I think you're going with too literal a reading.

And it goes without saying that the "elements" as they exist physically (ie. flame, atmosphere, liquid and rock) are only the closest physical approximation of their higher equivalents. Nothing can exist physically which does not partake of all 4 elements, the substances/states which are used as metaphors for the elements are just those with ratios which most closely align with the respective element, and properties which most closely reflect them.

The creative process being described is the elements as they act on a mental/spiritual level. Perhaps think of it as more along the lines of "form/potentiality (fire) + substance/actuality (water) react to create an intermediary force (air), and the existence of all three at the same time allows for the conditions in which a process of condensation can take place(the emergence of Earth)."

Rinse repeat from the Mental level, to the astral level, to the physical level, and you have a really rough outline of the creative process being described, I believe.

Possibly the closest you can come to a metaphor using the physical elements is to consider the interaction of heat (energy) with substance. For the sake of the metaphor, have the substance start as a liquid - water (there are some holes in this, but that's another discussion).

So your liquid sustance (your water, or Water) becomes exposed to the effect of temperature/energy (Fire). This combination, with Fire in excess (a high temperature), results in the liquid converting to gas (air) via evaporation, while this combination, with the liquid in excess compared to the energy (a low temperature), results in condensation/solidification, or Earth (well, ice, but elementally speaking, at least for the sake of the metaphor, it's Earth).

At least that's my brief (and somewhat foggy, I'm a bit tired) interpretation. It's not perfect, I might come back and expand on it a bit when I'm a tad more awake and have time to go over the book. And of course the map is not the territory, etc.

[Desecrated]

There is a whole bunch of different Greek philosophers that have made a much better reasoning of this than I can explain. So I highly recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Early-Greek-Phil ... 140448152/

[RockDemon]

I think you're going with too literal a reading.

And it goes without saying that the "elements" as they exist physically (ie. flame, atmosphere, liquid and rock) are only the closest physical approximation of their higher equivalents. Nothing can exist physically which does not partake of all 4 elements, the substances/states which are used as metaphors for the elements are just those with ratios which most closely align with the respective element, and properties which most closely reflect them.

The creative process being described is the elements as they act on a mental/spiritual level. Perhaps think of it as more along the lines of "form/potentiality (fire) + substance/actuality (water) react to create an intermediary force (air), and the existence of all three at the same time allows for the conditions in which a process of condensation can take place(the emergence of Earth)."

Rinse repeat from the Mental level, to the astral level, to the physical level, and you have a really rough outline of the creative process being described, I believe.

Possibly the closest you can come to a metaphor using the physical elements is to consider the interaction of heat (energy) with substance. For the sake of the metaphor, have the substance start as a liquid - water (there are some holes in this, but that's another discussion).

So your liquid sustance (your water, or Water) becomes exposed to the effect of temperature/energy (Fire). This combination, with Fire in excess (a high temperature), results in the liquid converting to gas (air) via evaporation, while this combination, with the liquid in excess compared to the energy (a low temperature), results in condensation/solidification, or Earth (well, ice, but elementally speaking, at least for the sake of the metaphor, it's Earth).

At least that's my brief (and somewhat foggy, I'm a bit tired) interpretation. It's not perfect, I might come back and expand on it a bit when I'm a tad more awake and have time to go over the book. And of course the map is not the territory, etc.

Hi Rin! Well yes there are some holes but I can see your point for ice to represent the Earth element. I will think about this some more. Thanks!

There is a whole bunch of different Greek philosophers that have made a much better reasoning of this than I can explain. So I highly recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Early-Greek-Phil ... 140448152/

Hey Des! Seems to be a great read with an affordable price. Thanks!

[cactusjack543]

i actually use to practice for 30 years off and on with my schizophrenea i raise spiritual properties when doing so i blank everything out reapeat fire air water most times i say not a word but when i raise tele poles and single things i tend to use this path but last 10 year been in mad rush to focus my distan, the stabilness well i do stabilize things know whole ttowns time travel spots future spota and alot of levels TOWNS ACTUALLY REINFORCING THIS AUTO MATICALLY SOMEHOW SOME WAY....

hope my two bits help..

[RockDemon]

i actually use to practice for 30 years off and on with my schizophrenea i raise spiritual properties when doing so i blank everything out reapeat fire air water most times i say not a word but when i raise tele poles and single things i tend to use this path but last 10 year been in mad rush to focus my distan, the stabilness well i do stabilize things know whole ttowns time travel spots future spota and alot of levels TOWNS ACTUALLY REINFORCING THIS AUTO MATICALLY SOMEHOW SOME WAY....

hope my two bits help..

Hey cactusjack543
Thank you for your reply, sadly I only have experience of a few years so I am not able to comprehend, but I really appreciate your reply.

There is a whole bunch of different Greek philosophers that have made a much better reasoning of this than I can explain. So I highly recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Early-Greek-Phil ... 140448152/

Hey Desecrated! I just got the book! So is there any specific chapter I should read or just start the book from the beginning?

[Desecrated]

Hey Desecrated! I just got the book! So is there any specific chapter I should read or just start the book from the beginning?

I'm confused? Is there any other way to read a book than from cover to cover

[RockDemon]

Hey Desecrated! I just got the book! So is there any specific chapter I should read or just start the book from the beginning?

I'm confused? Is there any other way to read a book than from cover to cover

Good point!

[RockDemon]

Hey so I read the book recently. Not that it gave me any specific answers but it was a very enjoyable read and soul food nonetheless. My views got expanded. Thanks Des.

[corvidus]

In the material world this is indeed the case Fire + Water

Steam is Water + Air (water being cold and moist, and air being moist and hot) If you ever to combine Fire and Water, you will end up with a nuclear reaction...

My own thoughts are this. Fire is necessary to apply energy. Air is bound to Fire in order to provide life and movement. Water is what comes out of this. Earth only comes into being by the interaction of Fire and Air, through the mediumship of water (which is created by fire and air/breath)...

Therefor, Fire + Air + Water = Earth.

It's more physical then metaphysical.