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Sabbatianism

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 6:39 am
by Shemuel Ben Sabbatai
I am a Sabbatian. A Sabbatian is someone who believes in the Jewish “false”-messiah Sabbatai Tzvi, and sometimes, the controversial figure of Jacob Frank. Sabbatianism has it’s roots in Kabbalah, a Jewish mystical tradition dating back centuries. What distinguished Sabbatianism from normal kabbalistic Judaism was the Idea that the Jewish law, could and would be destroyed.

BEcause of it’s close relation with Kabbalah, it developed many interesting mystical, occult teachings, such as the thoughtless and thoughtful lights of EYN SOF. It would be interesting to hear your opinions on this branch of Kabbalah. :) there is a lot of misinformation about it. Mostly coming from conspiracy nuts.

Re: Sabbatianism

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 am
by skekz0k
I've never heard of this religion but it sounds interesting. The Wikipedia article make it sound as though the religion is no longer practiced. How long have you been a Sabbatian? Is it something in your family or something you began to practice later in life?

Are there any Sabbatian texts that you would point an inquiring mind towards? I've only just begun my study of the Qaballah, so I won't be much help in commenting on that.

Re: Sabbatianism

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:44 pm
by Shemuel Ben Sabbatai
skekz0k wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 am
I've never heard of this religion but it sounds interesting. The Wikipedia article make it sound as though the religion is no longer practiced. How long have you been a Sabbatian? Is it something in your family or something you began to practice later in life?

Are there any Sabbatian texts that you would point an inquiring mind towards? I've only just begun my study of the Qaballah, so I won't be much help in commenting on that.
So it’s not easy to count how many sabbatians there are, a central idea in the religion is “holy apostasy”, moving from Judaism to another religions while still privately practicing the faith, this doesn’t make it easy to find them. If I had to estimate how many of us there is, i would say like, 10,000? Not a lot though.

I was born a Christian but i became very interested in Kabbalah, specifically the Kabbalah of Rabbi Isaac Luria, which happened to be related to Sabbatianism, so Kabbalah kind of led me here.

The only Sabbatian text easily available is “the words of the lord Jacob frank”, it has some pretty cool stuff in it. I honestly think non sabbatians should study it as there are a lot of kabbalistic ideas hidden in it.

Also, if you’re new to kabbalah i would check out the YouTube channel “the nemeton”, he has some pretty cool stuff there. :)

Re: Sabbatianism

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:53 am
by skekz0k
Shemuel Ben Sabbatai wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 4:44 pm
So it’s not easy to count how many sabbatians there are, a central idea in the religion is “holy apostasy”, moving from Judaism to another religions while still privately practicing the faith, this doesn’t make it easy to find them. If I had to estimate how many of us there is, i would say like, 10,000? Not a lot though.

I was born a Christian but i became very interested in Kabbalah, specifically the Kabbalah of Rabbi Isaac Luria, which happened to be related to Sabbatianism, so Kabbalah kind of led me here.

The only Sabbatian text easily available is “the words of the lord Jacob frank”, it has some pretty cool stuff in it. I honestly think non sabbatians should study it as there are a lot of kabbalistic ideas hidden in it.

Also, if you’re new to kabbalah i would check out the YouTube channel “the nemeton”, he has some pretty cool stuff there. :)
Interesting!

So you learned of sabbationism through your study of the Kabbalah? It seems, based on the introduction of The Words of Jacob Frank that he led a storied life. Thank you for sharing this, I certainly would have never stumbled upon it otherwise.

I must ask, do sabbatians have any form of organizing? Do you have any contact with other sabbatians on a regular basis?

Thanks for sharing! I will check out the nemeton youtube channel.

Re: Sabbatianism

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 3:51 am
by Shemuel Ben Sabbatai
We don’t really have any way of organizing, there have been Sabbatian websites but all of them are down now. I know a few other Sabbatians, they’re all really chill and nice people.

Anyway yeah, The Nemeton has some really high quality and well edited videos on Kabbalah, he also has a few videos on Alchemy and the occult in general.

Have a great day!

Re: Sabbatianism

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 4:11 am
by kiren
Invite them here, if yall need it maybe we can carve you out a subforum. This is EVERYONES place to organize.

Re: Sabbatianism

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 5:59 pm
by Raksju
Shemuel Ben Sabbatai wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 3:51 am
We don’t really have any way of organizing, there have been Sabbatian websites but all of them are down now. I know a few other Sabbatians, they’re all really chill and nice people.

Anyway yeah, The Nemeton has some really high quality and well edited videos on Kabbalah, he also has a few videos on Alchemy and the occult in general.

Have a great day!

Thank you very much for this post kind sir!
i was looking for some good video's on this :D