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I have no idea,do you ?

I enjoyed the film,but didn't think too much about it afterwards.
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Hmmm...I would sum my best guess on that one into this sentence: True evil introduces itself into the life of a non-believer. The whole movie seemed almost like a parable warning against the subtle, seductive and irresistible qualities of evil itself and how quickly things can spiral out of control. The whole time the main character displayed different aspects of the seven vices (as written on the temple at Delphi)all the while looking for the devil. I suppose the devil decided he was a keeper at the end?

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Good topic. But your question is somewhat vague. The movie has enough symbolism and well written dialogue to hint at so much more than what we see on the screen, that's its magic. However, feel free to read the source material, "El Club Dumas". Apparently, the story of the Book of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows, and it's author bear a similarity to that of the real life historical figure Giordano Bruno. And there are many other figures throughout history, namely in 14th century France, who would also fit the bill for characters like Balkan and the Tefler woman. Speaking of the Tefler woman: in my estimation, the "real" meaning of the Ninth Gate is: Lena Olin is one sexy momma. The things I would eat off her ass, you have no idea!

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in that one scene the dude walks in on somekind of ritual going down , and he mocks it and says something like its all mumbo jumbo , it made me ask myself are the people in the group have blind faith and dont really know whats going on and the one dude figured it out that it is mumbo jumbo ?


then at the end the same dude does his own ritual and ends up catching on fire and basically dies , again asked myself about this dark magic , what are they trying to tell us by that scene that its all mumbo jumbo , or just some hollywood bs , at the end i guess the chick is a variation of lucifer or lucifer himself ?

side question is there anything on johnny depp being involved in thee occult , esoteric , etc etc

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Well, I could certainly devote several pages to this, but I have two suggestions: 1) Become more acquainted with the movie, at least to the extent that you don't have to refer to one of the four or five main characters as "the dude". His name was Balkan and he represents a certain element of the hidden meaning. Not trying to knock on you, but if you want to see beneath the surface, you should watch the film in a similar manner to how Corso (Depp's character) studied the books, repetitively, and in minute detail. 2) Check out this link. I found it after your topic reingnited my interest in the movie's deeper meanings, and it's pretty cool. http://www.halexandria.org/dward900.htm

Enjoy. I would also like to mention that this is the second film Polanski has made concerning the raising of the devil on earth. The first was Rosemary's Baby. Both were based on fictional books, which treated the topic of the devil in an interesting manner, with both humor and horror. Both movies gave the impression that there is a lot more to the world than we normally see. There is also the very real connection between Polanski, and his wife Sharon Tate, who was murdered by the Manson family. The Manson Family was not overtly Satanic, but they were part of the San Fransisco occult scene. one leading member of the Manson Family, Bobby Beausoleil, played the role of Lucifer in underground filmmaker Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising." Anger was an OTO member and was a confidante of Anton Lavey during the first years of the Church of Satan. Draw your own conclusions, this is all circumstantial. But these connections form a very interesting picture of occultism in the mid to late 20th century. The Ninth Gate seems to continue that tradition.

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Meggiddio wrote:Well, I could certainly devote several pages to this, but I have two suggestions: 1) Become more acquainted with the movie, at least to the extent that you don't have to refer to one of the four or five main characters as "the dude". His name was Balkan and he represents a certain element of the hidden meaning. Not trying to knock on you, but if you want to see beneath the surface, you should watch the film in a similar manner to how Corso (Depp's character) studied the books, repetitively, and in minute detail. 2) Check out this link. I found it after your topic reingnited my interest in the movie's deeper meanings, and it's pretty cool. http://www.halexandria.org/dward900.htm

Enjoy. I would also like to mention that this is the second film Polanski has made concerning the raising of the devil on earth. The first was Rosemary's Baby. Both were based on fictional books, which treated the topic of the devil in an interesting manner, with both humor and horror. Both movies gave the impression that there is a lot more to the world than we normally see. There is also the very real connection between Polanski, and his wife Sharon Tate, who was murdered by the Manson family. The Manson Family was not overtly Satanic, but they were part of the San Fransisco occult scene. one leading member of the Manson Family, Bobby Beausoleil, played the role of Lucifer in underground filmmaker Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising." Anger was an OTO member and was a confidante of Anton Lavey during the first years of the Church of Satan. Draw your own conclusions, this is all circumstantial. But these connections form a very interesting picture of occultism in the mid to late 20th century. The Ninth Gate seems to continue that tradition.
Great link in there, I love that movie even more now. I need to find it so I can watch it again with all this extra stuff :D
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the link doesnt work ?

ill be watching the movie again to see if i catch anything i missed , but if its cool with you break down the movie for me ' your opinion of the real meaning behind it ?thanx for time

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Link worked for me, midwest US.
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My opinion is best expressed by what is written in that link. If you can't get to the site from the link above, google search: the ninth gate explanation (no quotes), it's the fourth site down. AS far as the social implications, I would say that, like a similar movie "Eyes Wide Shut", it exposes the whole mindset of of old-world Grimoire-style magical societies. After all, I have to ask myself: if secret societies of old world wealth wanted to invoke the devil, what could stop them? Why would they want it to be publicly known if they have? I feel certain that if something can be imagined, it can be done, so it's not a very great leap for me to think that these sorts of operations have been done, and nobody is gonna say a damned thing about it. If you're interested in making a pact with Satan of your own, or just like to read about it, I would suggest "Pacts with the Devil", by Christopher Hyatt and S. Jason Black. It's a grimoire, an ontological exegesis, and a history lesson all in one.

It seems to me that Balkan represents one path of imbalance, he is too repressed, controlling and materialistic, while the Tefler woman and her organization are to conceited and playful, to interested in their group dynamic to truly be effective. Corso is shown as a man walking the perfect middle path, but his actual path seems to be more symbolic than real world: it might work for one in a million to be swept away by a mystery at the end of a million dollar paycheck, but for the rest of us who have to work dayjobs, the ultimate answer seems to be daily ritual. I wouldn't know.

Psot script: Balkan rocks when he storms the ritual at the end, "MUMBO JUMBO! MUMBO JUMBO!... BOO!" ---the great Frank Langella

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I just watched the movie again and its been a while since I've seen it. The website you gave was rather interesting, however, I don't agree with the female essay writer the author of that site has posted. She seemed convinced the girl represented certain things and as much symbolism there is in the movie I think she was stretching.
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It's fair to say the whole theory is a stretch. But so is the proposition that there is more to the world than that which the senses perceive. I am willing to make that allowance, though: my mind can take it. Also with this theory: I had developed a similar theory back in 04 or so, but had never written it out or made all the connections as the author of the article had.

You point out that the most problematic area was the role of the girl. I agree. She has too many roles to play for it to all gel together in a symmetrical fashion, but she is a central figure to the story and the visual language of the movie, so some allowances have to be made for those intuitive leaps that might seem unwieldy. A lot of people I know didn't even like the movie because of these leaps. I think, though, that these leaps are there because of the need to tool in the symbolism, rather than out of laziness or lack of skill. The messiness of the logic and symbolic overlap regarding the girl makes her stick out like a sore thumb: plus her acting sucks. I think these discrepancies support the theory that Polanski and co. have crafted a feature length metaphor for the fool's journey in the age of the Apocalypse.

Several study aides: 1) The Thoth Tarot and the Book of Thoth 2) The Revelation of ST. John the Apocalypse 3) Tantra without Tears by Christopher Hyatt and S. Jason Black.

Other contextual media, to be considered as auxiliary to perceiving this movie as the article suggests: 1)Manson Family history regarding Beausoleil and the OTO, including the films of Kenneth Anger. 2) Polanski's real-world troubles and his exile in Europe as background. 3) The woman who played "the girl"/ Babalon/etc was Polanski's wife at the time the Ninth Gate was filmed. 3) the time period in which the movie came out, and the end-times rhetoric associated with the turn of the millennium 4) Also see "Eyes Wide Shut" which opened in 1999 as well.

I agree it's a stretch to fit this whole theory into one movie, but if you already have the theory developed, as I had when I first saw the movie, the film reflects these perceptions very well. Anyway, it makes the movie much more interesting.

So what was your take on the girl, and how would you say that fits in with the rest of it?

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Meggiddio wrote: So what was your take on the girl, and how would you say that fits in with the rest of it?
I felt, even though you could draw symbolism for the girl, I can't agree with any symbolic intent. To me it makes more sense, in a film of such symbolism to keep the girl less symbolic and more concrete. She acted as both the helper and the guardian. To me, this is more indicative that whoever is behind the whole plot within the movie (presumably "Lucifer") has a desire to see the main character complete/finish his journey thus sends her (though not necessarily by direct order) to assist him. The most symbolism I would draw from it is that it shows that we can't always travel a great quest alone. Corso couldn't have got to the end like he did without her help. His worthiness to getting into the 9th Gate I also think has to do more with his openness and inquisitive nature and less than purely just his "trials".
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to me corso really seems like he dont care for the mumbo jumbo , he knows about it but hes on some other trip , if symbolically he was chosen it was because he didnt care about the mumbo jumbo but he can get the job done of getting through the 9th gate , Balkan & Tefler are like colateral damage , its like things were set into motion before them and as they came along they were just swept under the rug by it and corso becomes the annointed one chosen way before he even got the offer.

ninth gate mission was planned out before balkan tefler or corso even came into the picture , maybe a way for lucifer to bring that light back to the blind every so often ... ?

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Event Horizon is allso a pandoras box style movie

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