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Let’s start by inspecting some common methods of achieving various magickal effects.

Commanding adverse magickal effects away:
You notice some physical or psychological symptom in yourself or in your friend. You suspect that it’s caused by an adverse magickal attack or by a demon. You turn your attention to the effect you’re observing and in your mind command it to leave. You might even think of the idea of some magickal energy or demon causing those effects and speaking to it directly in your mind. Quickly you observe the effects dissipate. This happens even if you don’t let your friend know what you’re doing, so it’s not just a simple psychological phenomenon. Later you notice that the symptoms probably come back, but the beneficient effects lasted for quite a few hours. What happened is that essentially you noticed an adverse effect, you named the effect (figured out what it does) and told it not to do it anymore.

Affecting group psychology:
You notice aggression brewing in a nearby group of people. You decide to calm the situation down. You think of the group’s psychological interactions as an energy field oozing out of each individual, blending together and interacting with each of them in various ways. Each individual’s energy causes them to choose sides in the conflict. The energy affects how the situation evolves. You command the energy to calm down, and very quickly the situation seems to fix itself. Maybe the situation stays calm for good, or more likely it rises again fairly soon, within minutes. What happened is that essentially you created a mental tool to think of the cause and effect of the situation, so you could give it new instructions to calm down the conflict.

Performing a ritual:
You learn a ritual to cause a desired effect. You have the end result in your mind and start the ritual. You follow the ritual to the letter, thinking of the idea of having the desired effect. Once the ritual is done, you might actually notice the desired effects starting to happen. Essentially what happened was that you guided your mind into a state where you concentrated on the abstract thought itself of the end result while performing the ritual. As the ritual is fairly long, your mind can’t concentrate intensily on a specific thing but gives up and focuses on the higher level idea of something instead.

Using Law of Attraction to manifest things into your life:
You visualize in your mind’s eye the end result you want to have in your life. You avoid the feeling of wanting the result and instead concentrate on making yourself believe you already have it and try to feel accordingly. What you essentially are doing is linger around the idea of the end result. Maybe you managed to manifest the end result into your life or maybe you didn’t. The results seem to work now and then, but not nearly all the time.

So what is going on? All the above examples work with various degrees of success and power. However all of them have one thing incommon: essentially you communicate your intended end result TO THE IDEA OF YOUR TARGET, instead of the target itself. In other words: you don’t mentally instruct or command your target, but the THOUGHT ITSELF you have in your mind about that target. When you instruct the idea/thought itself, your success rate and effective power immediately goes up dramatically. This method always works exactly the same way whenever you want to affect things interacting with reality. It almost looks like you’re communicating with the essense of magick itself, the source of all magick, because the effects are always achieved by the same quick, easy and powerful method and yields to much better success rate and stronger effects. Why is that? Because that’s exactly what you’re essentially doing: communicating with/commanding the source of all magick itself. I.e. the pure direct link to achieving magickal effects with nothing between you and the pure magick.
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So why does magick even exist in the first place? Why can you affect reality with your mind? Because it’s the natural state of the reality. So why don’t people know about it? That’s because someone at some point of history came up with the traditional idea of launching a propaganda and misdirection campaign to hide this basic useful knowledge from others to gain power for themselves. The campaign bore fruit and here we are in a world where magick is thought as something happening mainly in the movies.

If magick is so fundamental part of reality, doesn’t that mean that it’s meant for every single person in the history of humankind? Just like gravity, oxygen, feelings and social interactions with other people? Yes. That’s EXACTLY what it means.

How about what is said about witches and mages, that they receive their powers from demons/Lucifer/Satan/powers of Hell? The answer: what they are given is a repackaged, rebranded, renamed, watered down version of the real direct link to the source of magick itself, that costs them who-knows-what before they can start using it. Why would you want any of that when you can learn and use magick for free, without any of the limitations, handicapped power levels or costs dictated by demonic entities? I.e. you don’t have to pay any of the demons anything to learn or use magick, and your method is stronger and easier to use than what they would teach you.

So what is that “source of all magick itself” then? It certainly seems to be able to machinate very complicated things. You only need to give very simple vague general instructions of the end result you wish to achieve. That is because there is an actual intelligence behind magick with which you communicate with. And no, it’s not Lucifer/Satan nor any adverse entity you can think of. It’s actually The Universe/God/The Source itself, or which ever name you prefer to call it. What really is going on behind the scenes is this:

What you are essentially doing is communicating directly with The Universe/God/The Source itself by giving it instructions what it should do so you acheive some end result. God adjusts the Divine Plan (more on this later) and lower level spirits execute the plan. The end result is that you see “the magick happening”. The abstract level thought of the thing you want to manipulate with your instructions is God. God is the THOUGHT OF something. Like the band Faithless said: “God is a DJ”. They are very close to the truth. God is not the DJ itself, but your very own thought of that DJ.

In other words, “magick” is a very misleading description of what is really going on. No wonder most people working with magick have hard time getting proper results. This is because those who know the truth about what magick really is, have occulted (hidden) the real knowledge of it. I’m convinced that the likes of Aleister Crowley, Madame Blavatsky, Anton LaVey, etc. were fully aware of “magick’s” true nature. They simply decided to keep the “good stuff” for themselves to have advantage over their competitors. They could then say “if you want to have access to this power OR to God, you have to go through me and that’ll cost you”. Personal power over the others and hubris were the simple reasons why they didn’t spread the knowledge openly. They got greedy and maybe were even pressured by others to keep their knowledge a secret. What they did was obfuscate the true knowledge into complicated methods and rituals which made sure others didn’t have the edge over them.
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So if “magick” is a direct personal communication method between you and God, who are the people who have this direct link? Answer: absolutely every single human being throughout the history. If you think about it for a second, you’ll realise that it must have been the main method of receiving protection and good life. You simply told God what issue needed fixing and it became so. Knowledge about this truth kept people safe and in harmony. There was no need or reason for fear or desperation which leads to powerhunger. Armed with knowledge that “someone is really listening and helping you” drives away all of those negative feelings.

At some point, evil took the knowledge of the method of communication with God and repackaged it into “Magick” and sold it back to humans. But first evil had to make people forget the knowledge existed in the first place. This was done by using distractions/entertainment to make them pay less attention to it. Eventually people forgot about it. Then the same communication method, but diluted version of it, was renamed and sold to “worthy” humans as something “only Devil could give them”. Generation after generation more and more misdirections/lies/deceit were build upon even more lies and misdirection to keep people from remembering the truth about “magick”. The misdirection spread into magickal practises, religions, culture, history, and pretty much everywhere you can think of. Now you have incredible amount of complex competing explanations of what “magick” and this reality really are. Some are very New Age while others are borderline sci-fi.

To deceive people even more, the evil (Lucifer?) seems to have convinced many people that it is humanity’s true saviour and friend. When you think about what has been said above, it is easy to see why this can’t be the truth. It is more likely the said evil behaves more like an extremely jealous friend, who acts nice to you while at the same time sabotages/undermines all things you try to achieve in life.

So if there really is God, why do we have demons harassing people? If we believe small piece of mythologies and assume that such an entity actually created absolutely everything, wouldn’t it have been a better idea to not create demons at all? Here’s my personal view on what is likely going on, but we have to start from Free Will:

Humans have Free Will which is a truly wonderful gift. It allows every single person to decide their own actions and their own fate, be it good or evil. Free Will also brings incredible responsibility: we are in charge of figuring out how to live together in balance and harmony in this universe. If God intervened all the time, that wouldn’t be true Free Will anymore. You’re free to ask guidance, but ultimately you are the one who decides what to do with the guidance/information you’re receiving. This naturally allows you to do evil things with your direct communication link with God, but you will always get the backlash from it, at some point, without exception, regardless of how creative you try to be using proxies and manipulations to achieve your effects.

How would you know if you’re doing well finding the balance and harmony with others if you don’t receive any kind of feedback at all? Not many people know what evil even means, so if they don’t receive feedback for their actions, they’ll never figure out how to live in harmony and balance in this universe. Thus both demons and good spirits are used to give feedback on the actions people perform. Demons are the necessary evil. They create the negative backlash from your evil actions. You can think of spirits as the feedback method universe uses on you based on your personal actions. Good actions eventually create a positive backlash while evil actions create negative backlash. Globally this creates Darwinistic kind of spiritual evolution, in which humanity occasionally goes into more awful state before finding a more balanced state. From there evolving again into more awful state, before finding more balanced state again. After lots of these darwinistic cycles humanity’s spiritual state slowly progresses towards proper balance and harmony. That is if the evil (Lucifer) wouldn’t be jealously trying to spoil our physical reality so that no-one wants to stay in here.

About demons, good spirits and everything in between. It looks a lot like they might very well be the exact same thing; the job a spirit has been assigned to do can be changed at any time. If it’s assigned to harass a person, it becomes “a demon”. If it’s assigned to assist another person, it becomes “an angel” or “spirit guide”. It all depends on “the programming” it currently follows. Spirits keep our reality working and they also deliver the backlashes described above. They are the janitors, delivery guys and service and repairmen of the universe. This obviously means that people should not directly try to control spirits: that’s a no-no and creates a backlash. If you want something done, don’t kidnap a worker of the universe. Instead use your direct communication line to God and request the end result. God adjusts the Divine Plan and spirits automatically go to work and execute the plan the most efficient way possible.

About Divine Plan:
When you tell God what you need, you adjust the Divine Plan. You are essentially adjusting your very own fate. Divine Plan is best thought as a book that describes chronologically everything that happens in this universe, from the beginning of time until the end of it. When you adjust Divine Plan, it happens outside of the time. Imagine that you are a character in a book. At some point of that book you instruct God to bring X into your life. God works ouside the time so it’s can flip through all the pages of the book, inspect them, adjust the books contents where-ever it wants to. So God goes several pages back from where you made the request. It adds small events there which eventually, through butterfly effect, develop into an event in your future, which lead you to receive X. That’s how Divine Plan works. You get to keep your Free Will and everything is still decided “beforehand”. Both at the same time.

So what is Good and what is Evil then? How do we recognize them so we can better achieve the balance and harmony that we are supposed to figure out mostly on our own? That’s a really good guestion and I’m currently studying just that. I’ll report back when I have more to say about that topic. I have already figured out several points about the topic, but I feel in the near future I have much more to say about it. I’ll get back to it in the future.
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One of the issues with ritual magic is identifying the entity within whose aura the ritual is being conducted

Some entities exploit humans.

In my observation most martial arts exist within the aura of an entity that was formed before this solar system came within the scope of a god of love.

Long term martial arts exponents seem to have real difficulty in radiating divine light from their hearts

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What does "routing" mean? It has popped up several times when dealing with The-37 members. They assume something about me and "routing". Asking if I have experience with it. Someone complained that my routing is a nightmare. Do they route messages to each other or magick effects or something else?
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OneOfFourth wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:20 pm Someone complained that my routing is a nightmare.
You operate as a node in a mental system. Many energy lines pass through your mind structure. They mostly are at frequencies above your current consciousness.

It looks like the flows will be largely routed away from you as you expand your consciousness into those subplanes - to avoid flooding your human system

The concept of magic(k) is largely a human construct

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OneOfFourth wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:59 pm Let’s start by inspecting some common methods of achieving various magickal effects.

Commanding adverse magickal effects away:
You notice some physical or psychological symptom in yourself or in your friend. You suspect that it’s caused by an adverse magickal attack or by a demon. You turn your attention to the effect you’re observing and in your mind command it to leave. You might even think of the idea of some magickal energy or demon causing those effects and speaking to it directly in your mind. Quickly you observe the effects dissipate. This happens even if you don’t let your friend know what you’re doing, so it’s not just a simple psychological phenomenon. Later you notice that the symptoms probably come back, but the beneficient effects lasted for quite a few hours. What happened is that essentially you noticed an adverse effect, you named the effect (figured out what it does) and told it not to do it anymore.

Affecting group psychology:
You notice aggression brewing in a nearby group of people. You decide to calm the situation down. You think of the group’s psychological interactions as an energy field oozing out of each individual, blending together and interacting with each of them in various ways. Each individual’s energy causes them to choose sides in the conflict. The energy affects how the situation evolves. You command the energy to calm down, and very quickly the situation seems to fix itself. Maybe the situation stays calm for good, or more likely it rises again fairly soon, within minutes. What happened is that essentially you created a mental tool to think of the cause and effect of the situation, so you could give it new instructions to calm down the conflict.

Performing a ritual:
You learn a ritual to cause a desired effect. You have the end result in your mind and start the ritual. You follow the ritual to the letter, thinking of the idea of having the desired effect. Once the ritual is done, you might actually notice the desired effects starting to happen. Essentially what happened was that you guided your mind into a state where you concentrated on the abstract thought itself of the end result while performing the ritual. As the ritual is fairly long, your mind can’t concentrate intensily on a specific thing but gives up and focuses on the higher level idea of something instead.

Using Law of Attraction to manifest things into your life:
You visualize in your mind’s eye the end result you want to have in your life. You avoid the feeling of wanting the result and instead concentrate on making yourself believe you already have it and try to feel accordingly. What you essentially are doing is linger around the idea of the end result. Maybe you managed to manifest the end result into your life or maybe you didn’t. The results seem to work now and then, but not nearly all the time.

So what is going on? All the above examples work with various degrees of success and power. However all of them have one thing incommon: essentially you communicate your intended end result TO THE IDEA OF YOUR TARGET, instead of the target itself. In other words: you don’t mentally instruct or command your target, but the THOUGHT ITSELF you have in your mind about that target. When you instruct the idea/thought itself, your success rate and effective power immediately goes up dramatically. This method always works exactly the same way whenever you want to affect things interacting with reality. It almost looks like you’re communicating with the essense of magick itself, the source of all magick, because the effects are always achieved by the same quick, easy and powerful method and yields to much better success rate and stronger effects. Why is that? Because that’s exactly what you’re essentially doing: communicating with/commanding the source of all magick itself. I.e. the pure direct link to achieving magickal effects with nothing between you and the pure magick.


First, we must understand that one of the many definitions of magic is the spiritual process of communication with divine energy and maybe the manipulation of natures` forces, by one`s Will. There are several systems to classify magic. Some systems are concerned with types of magic, as historically classified. Some occultists magic as adoration, confession, thanksgiving, and magic as asking and receiving. The last is divided into petitions for oneself and intercession for others. This is similar to some occultists notion about magic as a division into ritual, petitionary, conversational, meditative, contemplative and liturgical. Their notion includes two forms of petitionary magic, in which the goal of one is blessings and the goal of the other, material things. Others categorize magic as to what it is based on the limits of scientific investigation and whether it is inward (self ), outward (others), or upward (divine) oriented.

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OneOfFourth wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:00 pm ...
What you are essentially doing is communicating directly with The Universe/God/The Source itself by giving it instructions what it should do so you acheive some end result. God adjusts the Divine Plan (more on this later) and lower level spirits execute the plan. The end result is that you see “the magick happening”. The abstract level thought of the thing you want to manipulate with your instructions is God. God is the THOUGHT OF something. Like the band Faithless said: “God is a DJ”. They are very close to the truth. God is not the DJ itself, but your very own thought of that DJ.
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That essentially sounds like fundamental basis of all RHP belief systems. LHP on the other hand (no pun intended) usually tend to focus on the other end of the spectrum - harnessing own inner "divinity", so to speak, own "power", rather than asking some greater force to use theirs to do something for you.
I personally don't think either is more right or wrong than the other, but both work differently, producing quite different result, in my personal experience at least, and I have tried both in few occasions. Even though I prefer to stay on LHP as much as possible.
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I don't have time to read all of this right now. But i'm posting this to remind my brain to come back and give this a thorough read :)

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Cerber wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:16 pm That essentially sounds like fundamental basis of all RHP belief systems. LHP on the other hand (no pun intended) usually tend to focus on the other end of the spectrum - harnessing own inner "divinity", so to speak, own "power", rather than asking some greater force to use theirs to do something for you.
I personally don't think either is more right or wrong than the other, but both work differently, producing quite different result, in my personal experience at least, and I have tried both in few occasions. Even though I prefer to stay on LHP as much as possible.
What's the difference in practise? How do you harness the inner divinity and what kind of effects does it give?

My own personal view on this topic is that the closest I've come to using my inner divinity is visualizing in my mind's eye "energies" and modifying them to do something, one way or another. But this is still exactly the same as I've explained in my essay. The only difference is that instead of instructing knowingly The Universe what to do, I do it through visualization. Again my experience is that through direct instructions the effects are much more likely to happen and are more powerful. Just my experience. Your mileage may vary...
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Amor wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:10 am One of the issues with ritual magic is identifying the entity within whose aura the ritual is being conducted

Some entities exploit humans.
My experience is that all spirits are basically blank templates that have been instructed to do something. You can modify "what's on their plate" and they act accordingly. There might possibly be some power differences, but they're still just templates to be modified. So there's no need to find a suitable spirit. If you're willing to take control of one of the janitors/workers of the universe (naughty naughty! backlash warning!) then it shouldn't matter if you use any of the spirits that first comes your way and change its purpose to do your thing.

Another way is to just instruct The Universe/God to do something and it will happen again, with more ease. No need to find a spirit to do the job, since the universe does the spirit finding and selection for you automatically, just as was intended originally for the method to be used by everyone.

About rituals in general:
I don't see the point in rituals anymore. There are only two ways a ritual can work, as far as I can tell:

1. Rituals take you slowly into the right focus of mind so you're able to give the instructions to the universe. So why bother following complicated practices that take lots of time, when you can simply move your focus to the right thing in the first place and give your instructions? That's the difference between hours of ritual vs. seconds of instructing the universe (by skipping the ritual part and moving directly to the final step the ritual is preparing you for). Youll be doing exactly the same thing, but the latter skips several hours of redundant preparation and rites.

2. There is a a gate keeper entity, dedicated for that particular ritual, which gets to decide if the "magick effect" works or not and if it does, at what power level it does so. ("Ah! You're not one of us so I'll make this spell fail without telling you why.") The entity also gets to decide if there's any cost involved for the spell caster, before the effect can take place. The entity also gets to decide how long the effect lasts ("You have to renew this ritual every full moon so I'll get more goodies from you!"). And last but not least, the entity can impose any kind of side effects and backlashes it wants on the "spell caster", just for the sake of it. So basically if you are trying to summon some specific entity which is known for that particular ritual, you're most probably dealing with a charlatan entity who only wants to profit from others instead of wanting to help them. I'd actually go as far as suggesting the possibility that the following has been done already a long time ago: Probably many of the well known entities people summon for all kinds of services (and pay a lot for tiniest of things they'll achieve through them) are human made servitor entities. Someone took a bunch of regular spirits/entities, modified/instructed them to do some specific things under specific monickers, so people would use them and become dependent/relying on them. Now people are dealing with those entities on a daily basis and many people might even worship them. Imagine the power those people have who made up those entities and control them. Basically they have literally several cult followings via various entities. I'm talking about many high profile entities people know about.
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OneOfFourth wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:08 pm How do you harness the inner divinity and what kind of effects does it give?
uhhhhh
how do you harness technology, and what kind of effects does it give?
hehe, sorry :) it's just a gigantic question, 2 of them actually.
It'd be a good topic for a book, or two, or thirty.

Anyway, I got caught up & read all of the thread.
There's a lot going on here. More than i know how to reply to, but here's a crappy attempt:

- When you direct intent, are you directing it into the idea of the target rather than the target itself?
in my view, yes and no.

I lean towards directing it into the actuality of the target, rather than the idea of the target. I find this to be more potent, immediate, and possessing something akin to tactile feedback.

This obviously requires significant effort in focusing on and sensing the target accurately. Else it will be the idea of the target by default of the abstract way we cogitate. I think this requires some ability to access a sort of zero-self state, with which to imprint on the actuality of the target accurately. To touch the flower delicately, without grasping it & deforming it's shape. Where the flower is the sensation of the target of intent.

However, you can approach it the other way. And rely on a more uh... sympathetic entrainment of ideas. I won't explain it too deeply, because that's kinda what you're describing.

I tend to greatly under-utilize the approach of throwing intentions out to the universe. Because to me, that's just less interesting. I'm not saying it's without effect, but it is subtle in effect. I just find that there's nothing material I want to happen 'more' than I want to understand how to do things myself.

If the matter at hand is something which I do know how to do, like say inter-mind effects in my case, then I can certainly do those things with "drastically" more potency by taking a hands-on approach, than I could if i threw intentions into the universe.

But there's plenty of things I don't know how to do. And for those things, throwing out 'intent' with fingers crossed is likely more helpful than me standing around not knowing what to do. But I wanna know how to do those things, all the things really.


- evil is... a kinda abused term. at best. more often a neurosis.
If you dislike something, you say you don't like it. And you're expressing that as your own personal opinion. An internal value attribution.
If you really, really REALLY dislike something, you might be tempted to think that this perception goes beyond personal taste or viewpoint, and that the universe itself must surely hate said thing. When you externalize your value attribution, and presume that your view is inherent, inviolable, absolute, that a thing is too heinous to be good, even outside of your viewpoint. that's when you start calling it 'evil'.

In a sense, evil is asserting that something is distasteful to a degree which goes beyond your own personal value judgment.

I'm going to wax into moral relativism here... but it's not to excuse injustice, nor to rationalize behavior. And it dips into nihilism, but that is a topic greatly misunderstood and maligned (often even by those who claim to represent it).

The thing about value attribution, or even "meaning", is that it exists in the eye of the beholder. What something means, is a construct in the mind of an abstract intelligence contemplating it's meaning. Outside of mind, there is no meaning. That's not to say that the universe is meaingless. Far from it. Actually, I think there is MORE meaning in the universe because of this. Due to the sheer number of fragments of the universe regarding itself and attributing meanings. It's just that meaning, as a construct of attributing to a thing some value by way of idea... is not really a material element of consensual reality.

I don't think that the mental space of consciousness is "non reality". So if you attribute meaning or value, that meaning or value does exist. It's just that there's a lot of other mindscapes doing the same thing, and not necessarily with the same values and attributations.

If you believe in an omniscient, omnipresent "god", or a universe with a persona to it, anything of that nature. Then you could be tempted to believe that there is an official correct answer to the question of the meaning or value of a thing. An answer beyond the self.

In my exploration though, the infinite vastness of the universal consciousness is infinitely depersonalized (and depersonalizing to invoke). The higher you reach, the more you find simply "no opinion" on the value or meaning of things.
In this way nirvana is simultaneously the destruction of individuality, and the unification of self with the infinite.
The infinite and the individuated are opposite ends of a spectrum.

What makes one an individual is that they are finite, specifically.
If one was "in-finite", they would also not be "individual". The abstract persona, with which to form concepts of meanings and values, is specifically a function of a finite consciousness at work. Not an infinite consciousness.

And this isn't depressing, it's rather glorious, that the canvas on which we paint the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, is blank, and not a paint-by-numbers set.

Now... let me take 3 or 4 steps back from the underlying absolutist philosophy involved. You, as an individual have interests. Your family has interests. Your community has interests. Your nation has interests. Your species has interests. You have vested interests in the nature of what things occur in reality. Many of those interests shared with a multitude of other individuals.

You have instincts, needs, wants, desires, many of them wholesome, many less so. But when a field yields good fruit, you can say this is good, not just for you, but for others who depend on it for their needs and wants. So you regard it as "good" in a way which is not 'just' a function of your own benefit.

Similarly, if a field is destroyed by a storm, you can say this is "bad", not just for you, but for a multitude of others who depended on that field.

Basically, you have empathy with others, and shared interests with others. And it is natural to call something good or bad, in a way which transcends the self, or self interest, because you care for the good of others. You may even care more for the well being of others than yourself. "no man has greater love than this, that they lay down their life for another"

So, in this framework you can say something is good, or evil ...in a way which transcends your personal values or personal well being ...but just remember that you're discussing the well being of a group. Not an absolute of the universe, or a presumed will/preference of the universe.

It is loving and kind (to others) to dislike injustice. And to rebuke it, or stop it. But such evil is an evil with a lowercase "e", not a capital "E". It is not a force of the universe bent on your misfortune. I think arguably the greatest measure of whether a being or action earns the label evil (with a lowercase e), is whether said thing cares for the well being of others, or preys on the well being of others.

But none are without evil in that sense. We're omnivores for example, and animals have some form of sentience with which we frequently empathize. Even walking on grass, or taking antibiotics to not die... steps upon the well being of other creatures. And I'm fine with that. I'm not completely beholden to empathy, my whole species isn't even capable of survival with an absolutists sense of empathy for all living things. But I don't really regard us as evil. Just like I don't regard a lion as evil for it's diet.

In some species of spiders, the female eats the male after mating. And often in those species, the newborns eat the mother not long after. Are they evil?
I'd say no. I'd say they're just alien to the instincts of our species.
And for the same reason, I prefer to avoid calling any person or entity "evil". Because I think it's just a loaded word which invariably just distorts the reality of things. I have zero problem with the death penalty for those who commit acts which severely and irreparably harm others. I just don't call such people evil. Their actions make them a menace to others, so they should be removed. Perhaps even in anger or retribution. It's how our species works, with more abstract drives than instinct to go on. If a lion wandered into a nursery, I'd blow it's head off, if given the chance. Not because I hate lions, or think they're evil, but because I just put the value of the lives of newborns above the hunger of a lion. If i saw the same lion out running around the savanna, I'd just say "oh cool, a lion!". If I see a lion running around near-ish to defenseless people, I'd be in a kinda gray area between.

Anyway, some people are lions to the greater community. Some entities are as well. But they're not "the devil", or "the forces of evil", in a version of the universe where there's a top and bottom, and a war between angels and demons, etc.

I'm inclined to love, peace, and goodwill, but i'm entirely flexible on the matter. Does that make me evil? Maybe 33.3(repeating) percent evil? I dunno. Don't really care. It's a dumb word/idea.

Anyway... when we cast other beings as evil in your personal narrative of reality. We shut down lines of communication, and start working within a reality which has a warped perspective. If you need to go to war with something, go to war. Just don't start imagining that the other side is Evil incarnate. If you start doing that, you'll end up in delusions about being god's chosen people and carrying out gods will, maybe form an ethnostate. And then it's all downhill from there, and before you know it, you're kind of a mirror of what you imagine the other side to be, which is actually worse than what the other side really 'is', back in reality.

- gatekeepers: Evil? no. And they don't "owe" other people knowledge. Gatekeeping is just kind of a dick move, nothing more.

- demons: I mean, sure, there's ferocious, malicious, entities, some even having a frenzied hostility. And entities who harbor ill will towards people. But evil? damned? nah.

- worshiped entities as proxies of their creators? yeah, i mean, many of the people who created such entity-ideas are long dead. So I dunno to what extend they're profiting by it. But sure, that conceptually works as a model for what is happening sometimes I think.



The most potent physical-results magic I've seen is when my mentor has done things which resemble "causality engineering". Kinda using a butterfly wing effect to adjust a flow of events.
My impression though is that she leverages omniscience to do that. So, I don't think I'm quite ready to learn that. yet
But obviously I could ask her to do something for me. I just don't.
She put so much into teaching me what she did, to ask for some material whim on top of that... just feels revoltingly greedy and small minded. If someone spends all week crafting the finest steak you could imagine, agonizing over the placement every gain of seasoning, it just seems like it would be assenine to ask for ketchup.

It's something I find distasteful in my former religion as well. A "god as santa claus" approach to prayer. If I had a nickle for every prayer I've heard which went something like "We thank you for blah blah blah, now down to business, we want this and this and this, and this other thing, plz, k thanks, amen" I'd have a lot of nickles. And sure it's usually dressed up in more flowery language, but the substance of it... good grief. Especially if it's something like a sports outcome. I get wishing little Timmy would recover from cancer, but sports?

When i look back on the beach and see a single set of footprints in some areas, I don't think I was carried. I think I'm a person possessing determination, will, creativity, and power, that i've been broken, utterly, to the point of death even, and stood back up by my own hand. And I am grateful to not be overly coddled, so that I grow.

That's not to say I have any problem throwing will and intent at the universe. It's just that if I do, it's more about figuring out how that works, fundamentally, and less about "gimme thing i want".

One interesting side effect of observing magic which seems butterfly-wing effect in manner, is that I don't assume that I know what is best to happen. Maybe I want to not have a broken arm, maybe I do. Depends on how that effects the infinite machinery in ways that I can't yet fathom. Pain isn't a big deal. Better to focus on how causality will evolve. What then should I ask for? I'm always up for asking for more knowledge, understanding, and epiphany, I've a voracious appetite for that, and I'm completely shameless about it. I'll even stoop to asking santa claus for it for xmas. hehe



Have you considered the perspective of a consensual reality universe continuously influenced by the belief, perception, and will, of everyone in it ...wherein brainwashing groups of people could be a form of power beyond just financial & social? I kinda get the impression that the groups which you ponder frequently lean that way. On the one hand it's kinda interesting, from a scientific standpoint, but it's a dick move, I agree. Granted all brainwashing is relative to some other state of mind, which often already has a lot of brainwashing in it. So a person or group might get the idea they're undoing a wrong. But you get into an issue of "how many wrongs make a right". Everybody thinks they're counter-brainwashing, but they all still have soap in their hands.

I'm really, really good at influencing others. But if you get really good at something, and start to see it in it's purest form... there's no more deluding yourself about what it is. I think influencing others' minds is immediately deleterious to the very essence of their being. It is a vicious attack. Mind you, you can't even cross the street without having some miniscule influence on others, so there has to be some give & take to things. A threshold where it becomes 'intended harm'. There are situations where I'm fine with intended harm, but I hate to see it dressed up as anything else.

Usually influencers just think that their target "just doesn't understand correctly". Kinda a low IQ thought for them to have eh? Or is that a "high-hubris" thought? Is there a difference?




I don't think treating spirits/entities as blank templates is necessarily very nice. Not that one has to always be nice. But you get more flies with honey ...usually. Really it's a question of whether they have minds of their own. In some cases I think, no, they're a fractional aspect of your consciousness. In some cases I think, yes, they're a sentience foreign to your own. Personally, if it's an internal fragment of mind, I'd just want to pull it into the greater whole consciousness of self, rather than task it with something. Which just leaves foreign entities, so i like to be diplomatic & congenial.

I dunno. too much typing from me! It's just there's so many ideas to digest here. I'm sure I've already misspelled or misstated a dozen things.

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>I don't think treating spirits/entities as blank templates is necessarily very nice.

As far as I know, I have never met an entity that was not part of some hierarchy or system.

It seems that every intelligence is part of some larger intelligence - even Earth humans

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In simple terms. I would say magic(k) is favorably affecting ones' surroundings to their liking via the "true will" - Thelemic. Magick aside, existence has always been about experience, good or bad.

Do something; nothing, a little of both - existence.
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