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An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:24 am
by Nancyphant
It was labelled "Black Magic", I guess because it incorporates the sacramental bread and wine. Enjoy if you will
http://www.cyprianus.se/en/2017/07/12/b ... s-or-dice/
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:39 pm
by violetstar
Very nice website.However the article on 'Witch Marks' is confused.You say 'Bomarke' is a farmers mark in the Northern culture and in European culture this is equal to a Merchants mark.What is the difference between the 'North' and European?
You then equate this with a Witch mark which suggests some form of commercial trade link such as farming,carpentry or masonry.Such trades have their own marking systems and today these are often shown as 'evidence' of apotropaic Witch marks but there is far more evidence of their use being mundane.Scholars like Francis Young urge caution in the acceptance of mundane markings being classed as Witch marks.
https://francisyoung.wordpress.com/2014 ... f-caution/
You then state the oldest forms are similar to Runes.Finally you tell us you can design a personal Mark for others and describe your own Mark.However,what you show is a Monogram type logo.This is not a Witch Mark which is an entirely different concept.
Generally the Witch Mark is either an idea of a pact showing as bodily anomaly between the accused and the Devil extracted from the European witch trials,or a symbol used within more modern witch groups denoting status.Within witchcraft these Marks are also used to encode letters and to define working areas outdoors.
I loved the Troll Incense.We need some here! [happyface]
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:54 pm
by Desecrated
I agree with violet on this on. Bomärken was used mostly on legal documents instead of a signature.
This is the same as Kökar. Not the same as witch marks used for protective means.
Bomärken:
Kökar
Witches marks
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:56 pm
by Desecrated
violetstar wrote:What is the difference between the 'North' and European?
North = Nordic countries = Sweden, norway, iceland, finland and denmark.
We sweds think of our self as northerners, not Europeans.
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:03 pm
by Desecrated
Nancyphant wrote:It was labelled "Black Magic"
Back then, most people felt that anything that wasn't christian was automatically satanism. So fiddle music, books, modern medicine and foreigners where all Satan.
It also suggested that we call things black magic because of the black books used to write down the spells. Svarteböcker = black books = therefore black magic.
Not sure if I agree with that one.
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:40 pm
by violetstar
Svarteböcker = black books = therefore black magic.
Sounds like a syllogism
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:40 am
by Caerdon
Desecrated wrote:violetstar wrote:What is the difference between the 'North' and European?
North = Nordic countries = Sweden, norway, iceland, finland and denmark.
We sweds think of our self as northerners, not Europeans.
This is similar to how us Canadians think of ourselves as, well, Canadians rather than Americans, despite the fact that we are a part of, and live in, the North American Continent, and thus are *technically* Americans as much as Swede's are Europeans.
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:54 am
by Desecrated
violetstar wrote:Svarteböcker = black books = therefore black magic.
Sounds like a syllogism
If I remember my Aristotle, you need 3 parts for it to form a syllogism. This is just one step. It's like saying that all black cats are evil.
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:51 pm
by violetstar
Desecrated wrote:violetstar wrote:Svarteböcker = black books = therefore black magic.
Sounds like a syllogism
If I remember my Aristotle, you need 3 parts for it to form a syllogism. This is just one step. It's like saying that all black cats are evil.
That is correct but Aristotle was vague in his application and since then more modern systems have been developed.This is why I employed a premise holding a modal word: "Sounds
like a syllagism" rather than
is a syllogism'.
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:17 pm
by Desecrated
violetstar wrote:Desecrated wrote:violetstar wrote:Svarteböcker = black books = therefore black magic.
Sounds like a syllogism
If I remember my Aristotle, you need 3 parts for it to form a syllogism. This is just one step. It's like saying that all black cats are evil.
That is correct but Aristotle was vague in his application and since then more modern systems have been developed.This is why I employed a premise holding a modal word: "Sounds
like a syllagism" rather than
is a syllogism'.
Aaaa. Makes sense.
Re: An old Swedish spell for winning at cards and dice
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:14 pm
by violetstar
Caerdon wrote:Desecrated wrote:violetstar wrote:What is the difference between the 'North' and European?
North = Nordic countries = Sweden, norway, iceland, finland and denmark.
We sweds think of our self as northerners, not Europeans.
This is similar to how us Canadians think of ourselves as, well, Canadians rather than Americans, despite the fact that we are a part of, and live in, the North American Continent, and thus are *technically* Americans as much as Swede's are Europeans.
I see.What is the root of this? Political.Patriotic or Nationalism? How about French Canadian or is that a different issue?