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What do you think causes "demonic possessions"?

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Any theories as to what? We know the story, some people mess up in the occult such as with Ouija boards in those stories/footages and "get possessed" then lose themselves and thats when the church has to step in etc. But above all else, anybody have theories as to what causes the "possessions" which leads to "super-strength" and thrashing about? The anti-christian quotes from the say possessing spirit/'demon' and more? It would just be nice if we were to get to the bottom of this to get rid of the phobia that some people have of the community.

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Liberator wrote:Any theories as to what? We know the story, some people mess up in the occult such as with Ouija boards in those stories/footages and "get possessed" then lose themselves and thats when the church has to step in etc. But above all else, anybody have theories as to what causes the "possessions" which leads to "super-strength" and thrashing about? The anti-christian quotes from the say possessing spirit/'demon' and more? It would just be nice if we were to get to the bottom of this to get rid of the phobia that some people have of the community.
Demons causes demonic possession. / end thread

But I think I know what you are talking about. Some evangelical Christians, especially those in charge of "haunted" TV-shows, seems to think that you can get possessed, by using a spiritboard, tarotcards, watching a horrormovie or god forbid listening to the devils music.
This is of course nonsense.

And what I tell Christians is something like this: God created hell to hold satan and the other fallen angels. They can't just walk out of there on their own. That is against the will of god.
Something as powerful as that, will not "make some sound in the attic" or "flicker the light". If you had a demon in your house, you would know it.
Have faith in jesus, do a cleansing of the home, get a priest over. Remember psalm 21 and 23.



Now, onto the next problem.
Should Christians use Ouija boards. NO.
Spiritboards, or for that matter any form of spirit contact should be done within the compounds of a ritual or by an experienced practitioners. As we've already talked about before, evocation and invocation is not beginner techniques and should not be attempted "to see if it works".
Unless you have some latent powers you don't know about, using a ouija board to summon a demon on your first try would be fairly fucking hard. But that doesn't mean you can't attract a lot of other nasty things. If you haven't practiced banishing rituals before, don't try spirit evocation.
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What we regard as our identity is an admixture of archetypal symbols. People like Jung, Jaynes, and Campbell have noted the similarities of figures across religion, story, and folklore, and guessed that they were manifestations of powerful, primal figures which are imprinted in the brain at birth or (according to Sheldrake) contained in the morphic field which connects all life. It's possible to connect directly with these archetypal entities through a variety of techniques ranging from channelling to shamanism to "Method" acting. These archetypal personalities are strong, powerful, and potentially very useful. It's this usefulness which makes them so dangerous.

The more often a person connects with these archetypes, the more "personalized" they become; that is, they start out generic and simple, but quickly gain their own memories and personality quirks in much same way you constructed your own. If a person is not careful, they may escape from your conscious control and begin rambling through your brain. As they grow more powerful, they may begin to supplant your own sense of identity and, in time, may completely replace what you regard as "you." In fact, Carl Jung believed that this is exactly what happened to Hitler; he manifested the Shadow so often that he became it. He gained the power of a god, speaking to people with their own internal voices, but at the cost of his sanity and ultimately his life. I believe this may also be what happened to Heath Ledger. He was a Method actor and essentially channelled the Joker, a very powerful manifestation of the Trickster archetype -- and it consumed him.

Demon possession, then, is what happens when one of the archetypal manifestations which make up the primary colours of personality becomes more powerful than the conscious identity and is able to push itself into full control of the body.

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PoisonPen wrote:
Demon possession, then, is what happens when one of the archetypal manifestations which make up the primary colours of personality becomes more powerful than the conscious identity and is able to push itself into full control of the body.
There are more demons then there are personality traits.
As interesting as it is to apply psychology to ancient believes, I think it's also important to acknowledge that the older texts have a validity in themselves. These are not just superstitious and primitive believes but actually large and complex systems.

That doesn't mean that they are true or real. Just that they can stand on their own without over modern interpretations.

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Ahh, demon possession.

Here's a Jewish answer to your question, from the Talmud:
Do not walk alone at night, Demons were said to be most active on Wednesday nights and on the Sabbath eve.
Take caution against doing things in pairs, such as drinking an even number of cups of wine (excepting the 4 cups on Passover)
Demons were known to infest food and drink left under a bed
Don’t drink from pools or rivers at night
Demons were especially active around palm trees. Do not:

Go to the bathroom between a palm tree and a wall
Pass between two palms
Sleep in the shadow of a palm
Relieve yourself on the stump of a palm
Lean your head against a palm tree

Other trees were also dangerous:

The eyeless demon Ruhe resided in the caper bush
60 demons were said to haunt the sorb tree
Demons are also believed to frequent grave sites. If we are to believe the Biblical accounts, the maniac of Gadara made his dwelling among the tombs.


according to scriptures, not all of the devils have yet been confined to Sheol. "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" This is referring to Azazel and his hosts. Even Satan, the first angel to fall,and his many hosts have not yet been confined to hell. They are scattered abroad the earth. No one can pass from Sheol to Earth, who is a prisoner there.

Demon possession is as real as ever. The materialistic world has labelled obvious cases of demon possession as mental illness, or hysteria.
A recent incident, found here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news ... il-7995259 an account of mass demon possession. The media has since diagnosed this as "mass hysteria", a rather ridiculous explanation if you ask me.
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Yeshai wrote:
according to scriptures, not all of the devils have yet been confined to Sheol. "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" This is referring to Azazel and his hosts. Even Satan, the first angel to fall,and his many hosts have not yet been confined to hell. They are scattered abroad the earth. No one can pass from Sheol to Earth, who is a prisoner there.
I always thought 2 peter referees to the Nephilim mentioned in genesis chapter 6. And then again in Jude1:6
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

And yes, the devil is on earth:

Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

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Desecrated wrote:
Yeshai wrote:
according to scriptures, not all of the devils have yet been confined to Sheol. "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" This is referring to Azazel and his hosts. Even Satan, the first angel to fall,and his many hosts have not yet been confined to hell. They are scattered abroad the earth. No one can pass from Sheol to Earth, who is a prisoner there.
I always thought 2 peter referees to the Nephilim mentioned in genesis chapter 6. And then again in Jude1:6
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

And yes, the devil is on earth:

Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Perhaps my reply was obscure. What you are saying is exactly what I was trying to say.
There are angels so destructive, that they are chained in darkness awaiting judgement day. These are angels who came down, and lay with women of the earth.
However, not all the Nephilim are bound in hell. In fact, most of them aren't. "The angels that sinned" is referring to the band of angels that came down with Azazel, who intermarried with mankind and taught them their arts. The offspring of these angels existed even after the flood. But there’s another band of angels, that were cast out of heaven with Lucifer. These are not confined to hell either, and these are most likely the ones doing the "possessing" .
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It's a good question. On the one hand, there has long been a prevailing theory that 'dabbling' in the occult, playing lightly with Ouija or tarot or the like or otherwise opening ones self to entities is when they get hold of some one. Then there are cases like the one in Peru where the school children (seemingly) have not done anything to "open the door."
I'm looking forward to more post on this. It's a worth while discussion.

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Yeshai wrote:Ahh, demon possession.

Here's a Jewish answer to your question, from the Talmud:
Do not walk alone at night, Demons were said to be most active on Wednesday nights and on the Sabbath eve.
Take caution against doing things in pairs, such as drinking an even number of cups of wine (excepting the 4 cups on Passover)
Demons were known to infest food and drink left under a bed
Don’t drink from pools or rivers at night
Demons were especially active around palm trees. Do not:

Go to the bathroom between a palm tree and a wall
Pass between two palms
Sleep in the shadow of a palm
Relieve yourself on the stump of a palm
Lean your head against a palm tree

Other trees were also dangerous:

The eyeless demon Ruhe resided in the caper bush
60 demons were said to haunt the sorb tree
Demons are also believed to frequent grave sites. If we are to believe the Biblical accounts, the maniac of Gadara made his dwelling among the tombs.


according to scriptures, not all of the devils have yet been confined to Sheol. "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" This is referring to Azazel and his hosts. Even Satan, the first angel to fall,and his many hosts have not yet been confined to hell. They are scattered abroad the earth. No one can pass from Sheol to Earth, who is a prisoner there.

Demon possession is as real as ever. The materialistic world has labelled obvious cases of demon possession as mental illness, or hysteria.
A recent incident, found here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news ... il-7995259 an account of mass demon possession. The media has since diagnosed this as "mass hysteria", a rather ridiculous explanation if you ask me.
Did the concept exist in ancient/classical societies such as during the time of roman/hellenic polytheism and Gnosticism or not? If so in what form? How did it come to exist after the arrival of "christendom"? Just looking for some answers, what would happen if this possession were to happen on a mass scale uncontrolled with nothing stopping it?

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Possession and Invocation are the same thing - if you have every had (multiple) successes with invocation you would probably think there are certainly things I do not want to try this with (or maybe you do!). I agree with Des, demons cause demonic possession. So your question is really what causes invocation, and that is through "inflaming thyself through prayer", meaning the operator is raised (or lowered) to a certain pitch that is conducive to the invocation. This is a vague answer but you wont get any better from, say, Crowley, either. I'm starting to see the reason for modern mage's distinction between the terms "invocation/evocation", but think they may be better replaced with "full/partial possession". It is a two way street, a give and take and play between the operator and entity. Someone who has unintentionally or uncontrollably created the right conditions for an invocation they didn't want to happen, is what we call "possessed". Long-term invocation of only a single entity (even the Christ) is dangerous and will leave the human operator lopsided.
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I wonder how demonolaters would respond to this thread. Are there any here?

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My two cents:

One way that is very common is through a mixture of both illness and negative emotions.

They first want to weaken your body by getting you sick somehow by misguiding you through your gut brain.

Next they manipulate the gut brains of your peers in a negative way causing them to make you hate them.

Then they leave it to you do the rest and become demonized.

Once your vessel is comprised enough as well as your astrals's - then they have a chance at manipulating your nervous system through your unconscious mind.

Slowly but surely you will start to notice strange things happening around you, You'll wake up not in control of your body, uncontrollable telekinesis happenes randomly but not all the time, you start to develop a rotting darkness within you that no one can fix - not even a priest, only you can fix your problem.

All those weird things - *I didn't list everything*, is the demon testing what control it has over your body, hallucinations may occur but probably won't unless fear kicks in.

There are all sorts of signs that point to a demonized person who is getting or IS possessed.

Another way of getting possessed is by being a victim of something horrible in your life.

I would love to be possessed because the hate they feel is so pure and justified, only some demons - not all.

When you're the type of person who just cannot stay angry for more than a few minutes or cannot feel hate for more than a day, a demon can help with that, because all they want is a home and in return they will grant you with all the dark energy you want.

But... The bad thing is - they're always hungry, they strive off of violence and death, any kind of death not just human deaths, for example: The death of a relationship is good enough to the demon.

Most other demons are purely tricksters and malevolent - seeking to destroy everything.

The fun thing about willingly harboring a demon is that any hate you feel they will act upon disregarding karma.
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A well fed demon just like a well fed human or dog - tends to feel comnected to the hand that feeds them.

One thing that surely points to someone who is being demonized is that any little thing that the people he or she hates - pisses them off bit by bit.
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So self control is really a valued power here. This perception only occurs when the demon gets really hungry. You can wait to feed it by waiting for others to f*ck up - but then you'll feel the demon's hunger which results in wanting to start fights. Not that it wouldn't be justified, for example: Let's say that one of the sources of food for the demon is a tweaker you know, and this tweaker is always messing up - so any vengeance you throw their way is justified. E.t.c.
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Allowing the demon to make you hurt innocent people is not good at all, if that ever happens - try your best to eject it - else you're gonna have to get used to depriving it which could end bad for you.
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Only use demons to terrify ectremist criminals.

Once the demon leaves you, you get all f* up because now you are no longer numb and no longer feeling anger and hate and you feel vulnerable again.

Anyways, it isnt fun to be possessed no matter what the reason, it's terrifying if things get out of hand, which they usually do.

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Ah, Kurokami, you described my little friend in me perfectly. He whispers me hatred, reveals deceptions and shows how feeble humans really are. It tears away a feeble pretensions that humans cast upon themselves and shows how feeble and worthless their souls really are.

The real issue that you do not highlight how you differentiate between demon and split personality and a mental disorder. Since for one who experiencing it, it is always the first one, but we know enough of werewolves undergoing their transformation and showing their true nature in psychiatric labs to know better and be wiser.


Personally, somebody tried to get into me several times then I was still young, during my sleep. I felt like entire, endless ocean is pressing upon me, trying to get inside me, into my soul. I could not even react, I held my barriers around myself with all the force of my soul. Such barrier is effective even against God, but it is as strong as its holder is and I felt agony beyond this mortal realm. Depths of pain were redefined in those moments to me. Every time I was woken up from this duel while somebody was feeding me images, but during all encounters images were identical, experiences were identical. It is strange really, I never in my life dreamed a nightmare, only this...


I personally believe that demonic possession is impossible unless a human allows it. All the rituals of possession requires that host would free up his body for demon to slip in. Outside that, demon is helpless to get into the body. He must have some sort of flaw in human to work upon it. Something which would weaken human, some really traumatic experience, etc. Majority of population is free of such threat, demonic possession is suffered rather by exceptions than being a rule. Either this or demons really do not want to possess humans judging just by sheer lack of such things in our society.

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fraterai wrote:Possession and Invocation are the same thing
I look at it this way as well.

I never use the words Invocation, and Evocation in an operation.
It is the context that is the determining factor.

I feel as though higher powers, such as Gods and Archangels may only be Invoked.
Intermediaries such as Choirs/Legions of Angels. Perhaps a little bit of both.
(feel free anyone, to correct me on this one)

The lower in the hierarchy you descend, the more you want to avoid Invocation.
Of course this depends on the intent of the Practitioner.

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