I am declaring a new Law.

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Cerber wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:49 pm stuff
vedas aren't really an electronics 101 course :P
it's more to do with the state of the mind/soul/body and one's relationship to the wheel of reincarnation.

Siddhis are apparently supernatural abilities or traits, which flow from various states of enlightenment, as a side effect, rather than as a goal per se. I've seen some things in that vein which attempt to ascribe the ability to something electrical. I'm not sure that's a valid uh... "graft into modern parlance". Mostly I see that in martial arts monks though. I kinda chalk it up to "modern science apologists", who are trying to illustrate some kind of scientific basis for their supernatural claim. That attitude is very popular in modern Asia. Personally, I think that's a poor decision. It's a lot like ghost hunters who try to make everything ghost related about EMF. Huge waste of time in my view.

There's also some translation issues. Like if a text on ki gong is translated as referencing "energy", and then that term ends up in an argument with a physicist who has very clear cut definitions of what "energy" is in science. When really it's not the same thing being discussed.

For example, I can make someone's hair stand on end without touching them. It doesn't show up on any electrical or EMF measuring device though. And it doesn't dissipate with proximity, although focus can deteriorate with distance, depending on other variables. And I'm perfectly happy having it lack a scientific explanation context, because I'm not grasping at straws to make it sound believable. It just is. I'm curious of course, if there's some area of science which offers insight into the matter. But I'm not trying to shoe-horn it in there. Someone could call it an effect caused by transdimensional peanut butter coefficient for all I care hehe.

(this is a weird thread)

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Kath wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:10 pm vedas aren't really an electronics 101 course :P
it's more to do with the state of the mind/soul/body and one's relationship to the wheel of reincarnation.

Siddhis are apparently supernatural abilities or traits, which flow from various states of enlightenment, as a side effect, rather than as a goal per se. I've seen some things in that vein which attempt to ascribe the ability to something electrical. I'm not sure that's a valid uh... "graft into modern parlance". Mostly I see that in martial arts monks though. I kinda chalk it up to "modern science apologists", who are trying to illustrate some kind of scientific basis for their supernatural claim. That attitude is very popular in modern Asia. Personally, I think that's a poor decision. It's a lot like ghost hunters who try to make everything ghost related about EMF. Huge waste of time in my view.
I couldn't agree more.
I don't generally mind if other people's interpretation of certain texts, believes, or even their own personal experience is not inline with my own. I can always say "this or that is not part of my own gnosis" and I'm perfectly ok knowing nobody else in the entire world sees the same world through exactly same lens that I do. I don't feel threatened by that, nor feel any desire to project my own (entirely personal) believes and dogmas. I believe the earth is round, somebody else believe earth is flat, that is perfectly fine, as long as some of the "others" don't start burning down 5G towers in my neighbourhood and cause my internet to lag.
So with that disclaimer in mind. I personally(!) see vedas (and many other old texts) as reference material for cultural and philosophical studies. For scientific and other technical/practical (physically) knowledge I would refer to more modern works written by people like Einstein, Maxwell, Newton and so on. So with that last post, I only meant to say that while there may be some bits of "modern scientific knowledge" mentioned in some ancient texts (or some things mentioned that might appear as if it's referencing something from modern science, either due to translations, or simply due to some natural similarities of different things) I see none of that manifesting in the life and culture of those people even after thousands of years, so statistical probability of such claims and believes is a little too low for me to consider it as probability or even possibility.
There's also some translation issues. Like if a text on ki gong is translated as referencing "energy", and then that term ends up in an argument with a physicist who has very clear cut definitions of what "energy" is in science. When really it's not the same thing being discussed.

For example, I can make someone's hair stand on end without touching them. It doesn't show up on any electrical or EMF measuring device though. And it doesn't dissipate with proximity, although focus can deteriorate with distance, depending on other variables. And I'm perfectly happy having it lack a scientific explanation context, because I'm not grasping at straws to make it sound believable. It just is. I'm curious of course, if there's some area of science which offers insight into the matter. But I'm not trying to shoe-horn it in there. Someone could call it an effect caused by transdimensional peanut butter coefficient for all I care hehe.
Do me!.. :D
I mean is this hypothetical example or something you actually can do?
(this is a weird thread)
Well,.. There are 27370 threads, I can bet my chest hair (to which I'm very attached to, both figuratively and literally) that for every single one of those there's somebody somewhere who would find it weird. Weird is our speciality, am I right?
WEIRD is our JAM!..
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> I've seen some things in that vein which attempt to ascribe the ability to something electrical.

In the Hindu system there are 7 planes and beyond them 5 electricities - making a 12 fold system.

When I have a dream that looks contrived, I measure its energy to see if any electricities are present. If there are none, the dream is a fake.

What material scientists refer to as electricity is only the outer layer of a profound system.

In my perception the 5 electricities are the nervous system impulses of the Being that uses the universe as Its body of manifestation.

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Cerber wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:33 pm Do me!.. :D
I mean is this hypothetical example or something you actually can do?
Not hypothetical.
uh, I've never tried to do it over distance, and I wouldn't describe it as having 100% success rate in person.

Initially i was experimenting with it as I noticed that shifting mental states and energy states can affect my own hair follicles. In particular, any really high energy state in the 'energy sense' or in the 'excitement sense' can cause goosebumps. I believe I started looking into it while exploring altered states of consciousness (non-chemical) while exploring what might be easiest to quantify as berserkergang mental states. Kind of along the lines of overriding "safeties" the body has in place limiting physical strength, pain, etc. as well as activating more of the brain so as to create the sensation of slowed time. I guess kinda exploring the relationship between adrenaline, consciousness, and body. Although I'm pretty sure someone could learn similar in completely different avenues of study.

Anyway, what i noticed was that I could shift mental states, and cause goosebumps in myself, in some cases very noticeable goosebumps, and very quickly. That's not too strange, a good piece of music could do that.

But what interested me, was that the goosebump effect is autonomic, in that it's not really a consciously controlled thing. At least not directly. Much like heart rate, you could run up some stairs to elevate your heart rate, or think of something exciting, but you can't just jack your heart rate like you would open or close your hand in a direct way.

...so what caught my attention, was that you can experience goosebumps in some parts of the body, while not experiencing it in others. Again, not too strange, a cold draft can do that, as goosebumps are also a reflex for chilly weather. But what about when there is no chilly draft?

Experimentally I started trying to cause localized goosebumps on myself, limiting the effect to specific areas. And I was able to do so, more so with practice. Not directly, like motor reflexes, but I could generate localized goosebumps on myself indirectly. This struck me as "odd", since I couldn't think of an autonomic mechanism allowing for that, without at least some form of stimulation at the targeted site. It should function holistically as a chemically driven response (as in the case of an excited state), or locally as a reflex response to stimuli. So localized goosebump generation without stimulation in that area, seemed odd to me.

To test if it was an internal biological mechanism which I was understanding poorly, or an 'other' mechanism, I tried to cause goosebumps in classmates. Strictly speaking, failure would not rule out a non-biological mechanism for the effect, but success would tend to prove something "scientifically out of bounds" is in play (using science here as a reference for our 'current' understanding of natural processes, vs. what some call supernatural).

Initially this proved difficult. But there were some hints of success. I used only unaware test subjects, I mean, it's goosebumps... not going to get a letter of consent for THAT, besides knowledge of the test is somewhat invalidating. In myself I had been using what I'd kind of call 'controlled frenzy' to generate the effect. But it struck me that 'fear' is a form of frenzied state which is very strongly hardwired into biology.

I recalled a previous interaction with an entity which had a fairly strong command over fear as a tool. When threatened, it did a thing which I'd kind of describe as a "fear blast". uh... a directed wave of energy which contained a strong element of 'fear', but... and this is hard to describe accurately... in a form which would instill fear, rather than create the impression that the source of the energy is afraid. Effectively "intimidation", but on a sort of pre-conscious level, leveraging natural empathic reception. Put another way: propagating panic outward in a targeted manner, in such a way that it induces fear like occurs in spreading panic, rather than giving the impression that the source is afraid as might occur in a passive empathic sense. Sort of the subtle distinction between an entrainment process which tells your preconscious mind "you are afraid" rather than "I am afraid". Where a natural spread of panic in a crowd is more in a middle ground of "we are afraid". I'm really struggling for the right terminology here, it's all a bit outside the common ground vernacular. I sometimes call it a "Boo!", for simplicity's sake.

When interacting with entities, I have always focused on understanding them, understanding also how they do things, and on emulating how they do what they do. At that time in my early entity interactions, I just reflexively did "Boo! back". So I basically learned how TO "Boo!" just by being "Boo!'ed at", while paying close attention. And I found this particular technique to be pretty easy to emulate. It's just a sort of targeted entrainment, or tuning fork effect, through the empathic energetic medium. It's only different from something like enthrallment or glamour in emotional flavor, not different in method.

Soooo, finally circling back to the topic at hand: I knew that I could 'do' a BOO!. And this would cause goosebumps as an autonomic response as the target experienced the chemical effects of a fight or flight response. This is possible without being in any way outwardly threatening. Without a known source, it just manifests as 'unease' in a target.

But what about localized body-part targeting, like the asymmetrical goose bumps thing I was doing on myself? I had a fairly high confidence level that if A caused goosebumps, B caused goosebumps differentially in just parts of the body, and C caused goosebumps in an external target, that A+B+C could cause goosebumps differentially in parts of the body of a target. And fear is just super-deeply hardwired into the biological goosebumps reflex. So I switched approaches to try to BOO! Body parts of a target, rather than the target entire. I found this to be "fairly reliable". Although, the starting mindset/mood of the target, and their distraction level were definitely huge factors. You're not going to easily give someone a creepy feeling in one arm while they're looking at porn or something. They are just very not tuned in to that radio station in such a situation hehe.

I do think other "flavors" of approach also work and can do the same thing. It's just that fear has such a strong biologically hard-wired association with goose bumps, that it really stands out as an ideal frequency for that purpose.

I have not tried to do A+B+C "at a distance". A&C over distance? Have done. But A+B+C? In principal it should work. I know that empathic entrainment effects can work just fine over large distances, you can give someone goosebumps online. But targeting a specific physical part of the person would require some fancy conceptual gymnastics. Essentially when energetically interacting with another being over distance, you're focusing on resonating with them, to make physical distance irrelevant, so that you're "with" someone without being at their hard-matter location. But to differentially cause goosebumps in a target, that's going back to a spatial sense of reality. So to reach out, you'd be doing one thing, while simultaneously pulling that approach inside out in order to affect some specific part of their 3-D biological component. I would not say that's impossible. But I also would not bet money on accomplishing it first try :P I tend to think it might require a mind which can 'functionally visualize' an impossible object. Or possibly, just a mind which doesn't know it's tricky, sometimes that's all you need to overcome a problem. There was a young mathematician who solved a long standing hard-core math conundrum because he arrived late to class and thought the problem on the board was a homework assignment.

It would be way easier to TELL a distant target where they're going to feel goosebumps, and just kinda brow-beat their consciousness to self-manifest the effect. But as a scientific experiment, that's cheating hehe.

I'd have to be more in Shia LaBeouf's "DO IT! ...JUST DO IT!" mental state to go generating goosebumps. And right now I'm more in a fluffy slippers and hot coco state :P (although i did have some goosebump effects just recollecting some of the experiences related to this). Plus engaging another sentient being over distance without real time communication, or at the very least a prior experience of connection, is a royal PITA.

Anyway, at the end of the day, the contracting of muscles around hair follicles involves a very small electrical impulse. But I'd hardly call the subject matter of what I'm talking about "electrical in nature".

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> any really high energy state in the 'energy sense' or in the 'excitement sense' can cause goosebumps.

Is this caused by an external energy flow contacting the body at that place.

For example muse-ic performances (attracting the muses) often result in an inflow through the top of the head.

When the muses do not come, strictly it is a tonal performance - according to Wagner.

>When threatened, it did a thing which I'd kind of describe as a "fear blast". uh... a directed wave of energy which contained a strong element of 'fear'

This is likely to be energy of frequency range that in a human is experienced as fear. If the entity was skilful it used energies that manifested as both physical and emotional fear.

I had a friend who used to take a group of young uni students to a sub-tropical island for the weekend to do botany. They would run around madly and not do any work. So one time she decided to fix them. On the way over in the boat she flooded them with love using an emotional subplane that challenges humans to control their personalities.

So she spent the weekend run off her feet with constant queries about plants and ecosystem. The students could not control their desire to control their personalities.

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