I.O.B.

[LoneWolf]

Any experiences/recommendations/advise/things that work for you, on the IOB ?

I will perform it for the first time soon and would like to hear your take on it.

Regards

[LoneWolf]

In case anybody knows it by another name or did the same using another paradigm or tradition:
This is what I am refering to >IOB<

[fraterai]

I used this alot about 7-8 years ago when I was really into GD stuff. I also have used the bulk of it (just the IOB and the projecting a pentagram part) in roughly the same way at other times when needed. It is simple and very effective for obsessive thoughts and feelings

[Bozkurt]

I shared this method with a magician who is actually a psychologist. And his opinion was that this ritual is a complete nonsense. I rely and believe in his knowledge and I haven't even tried the ritual. If you want to change something in your personality or get rid of a bad habit you can try practicing with sigils. I'm sure sigils will help you.
Best regards!

[sikander]

I've come across this ritual from your post. I highly recommend it, even though I haven't yet practiced it.

The reason why I like it already is that I've been performing a simpler version of it from time to time, since the beginning of my practice. When I do the LBRP I project the visualization of the problem through the petagrams using the Sign of the Enterer. I visualize the imagined problem trapped behind the flaming pentagram and i give it the Sign of Silence, visualising its image beginning to disappear until it's gone for good. It has worked many times for me and I'm sure the more elaborate IOB would work even better.

[Desecrated]

I shared this method with a magician who is actually a psychologist. And his opinion was that this ritual is a complete nonsense.

It never ceases to amaze me how often psychologists have a lacking understanding of psychology.

[Bozkurt]

I shared this method with a magician who is actually a psychologist. And his opinion was that this ritual is a complete nonsense.

It never ceases to amaze me how often psychologists have a lacking understanding of psychology.

Actually at first I personally thought this ritual would work great... but...

[fraterai]

But then some guy who never tried it said otherwise..... Can you give a single reason as to why this whole ritual is "nonsense"?

[Bozkurt]

But then some guy who never tried it said otherwise..... Can you give a single reason as to why this whole ritual is "nonsense"?

I really can't . It seems my teacher psychologist can.

[fraterai]

So, you've never tried it, s/he has never tried it, and yet, we are to take your word that it is nonsense without any reason why? Kind of silly if you ask me. Its a pretty straightforward application of visualization, energy work, and an alternate use for the LBRP. OH and it works if the mage can align belief, desire, and will. I can't think of a single reason not to try it.

[Bozkurt]

Fraterai, I was going to try it but that psychologist's opinion stopped me. I'm only telling you what told me a magician who is more experienced than me. I think I'll try it

[fraterai]

You should always consider an opinion you respect but remember that experience trumps everything this ritual is as effective as you want it to be

[Bozkurt]

You should always consider an opinion you respect but remember that experience trumps everything

Wise, I'll have it in my mind.

[Desecrated]

Well. Let's look at it from a psychological perspective then.

It's good because you get to face your inner demons by projecting them outside yourself.
It's bad because you might forget that it's actually a part of you and not a real thing.

It's a good because it sends a clear message to yourself about what you want to change about yourself.
It's bad because it's not a positive reinforcement of a behavior that you want to replace it with, but only a negative reinforcement of something that you are already struggling with.

It's good because you allow yourself to end the behavior. By banishing it, you are making an oath to yourself to keep it gone. And it can be really hard to start working on new and positive qualities when you are still wasting energy with old qualities.

You can not become a clean person, if you don't stop taking drugs. And at some point you have to concentrate really hard to NOT be a drug addict. or at least NOT take drugs. You have to banish drugs from your life.
But it is also important to know that at some point; you're going to have to switch from being an ex-junkie, to being a clean person, who lives a clean life.

So this ritual is by no means an end to it all, but a first step towards what ever lies after the end.

[LoneWolf]

Exactly what has been said.

If as a psychologist you are unable to see how good it may be to visualize the banishing of parts of yourself you don't wish to keep being, you shouldn't try to help anybody.

If you are unable to see the benefits as a magician, well, you should stick to other stuff.

Also, this one I speak to you personally, if you take advise as dogma without judging by yourself you will struggle greatly I believe.

My regards