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A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:46 pm
by neofight
Hi. Well, after deliberating on the classic tree for about 20 years, and climbing my way up to Wisdom, and considering the lower animal nature, and how we are supposed to transcend it- I realized that the entire tree is flawed. The current tree is based upon an animal nature, and it doesnt attain to a Wisdom that portrays a level of humanity that we have declared to be more in line with knowledge and reason. Therefor I am making the following adjustments:

Strength will now be known as endurance

Victory will now be known as success

Splendor will now be known as gratitude

thank you.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:39 am
by neofight
I believe that somewhere in the past, our wise leaders decided that there is a difference between what Man must do, and what Man should do. It is because of this compromise that we have the blood spilled on our soils, and families going without shelter and food and water. This fundamental faith needs to change.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 12:21 am
by Jastiv
Honestly, I'm not that found of the the kabbalah and tree of life in general. I don't find it very helpful. I guess it was supposed to be some Jewish framework for spirits/esoteric stuff that the Golden Dawn borrowed for its own imbalanced usage. I know Dion Fortune and Allister Crowley were really into it. But, as for me, I think of it as mucky muck left over from last century. Sure, I'm sure some people find it really good, that you can put experience on some kind of chart or map, and I know what the heck it is, but in all honesty, I find it to be useless.
Part of this I guess is I'm not into vague ideas like ascension, and I just want practical things to make my life better.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:19 pm
by Frater S.E.
Those terms are not meant in the mundane, secular sense. They refer to trans mutative states of being, often "alchemical" laws of creation. I would be hesitant to just change up the system, (although I guess whatever works for you?), 20 years doesn't necessarily suggest you have advanced in any direction depending, if you understand the nuances of rising on the planes, of polarity and the need for grounding as well as objective introspection (which has been sort of discouraged these days), and considering the subjective paths vs. the Sephiroth which are the same for you as they are for me. This is not meant to be a dig I'm just trying to show you that there is ALOT to consider before just dumping and re-working, I have been at it many years too but that doesn't mean I haven't been blocked before by myself or even by the laws that govern BEING. First you have to assimilate and master the astral reflections which are often illusions designed to trick you into a false sense of advancement, the ego rears its head and you are knocked back down, it is much more subtle than we often realize.

KHABS AM PEHKT!

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:50 pm
by CCoburn
Frater S.E. wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:19 pm Those terms are not meant in the mundane, secular sense. They refer to trans mutative states of being, often "alchemical" laws of creation. I would be hesitant to just change up the system, (although I guess whatever works for you?), 20 years doesn't necessarily suggest you have advanced in any direction depending, if you understand the nuances of rising on the planes, of polarity and the need for grounding as well as objective introspection (which has been sort of discouraged these days), and considering the subjective paths vs. the Sephiroth which are the same for you as they are for me. This is not meant to be a dig I'm just trying to show you that there is ALOT to consider before just dumping and re-working, I have been at it many years too but that doesn't mean I haven't been blocked before by myself or even by the laws that govern BEING. First you have to assimilate and master the astral reflections which are often illusions designed to trick you into a false sense of advancement, the ego rears its head and you are knocked back down, it is much more subtle than we often realize.

KHABS AM PEHKT!
The original post is what happens when one has diarrhea of the mouth combined with a mere superficial foundation/framework from which to draw from.

Currently, I do not see the above summary as being hypocritical on my part.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:17 pm
by Omnicentrik
I prefer the 3D redering of the ten sephroth as described in the Sepher Yetsirah. The latter is usually translated as Book of Formation/Creation, but you can also render it as Manual of Shaping. The names along the 2D "Tree" of Life- and there is more than one kind of Tree, and more than one way to name the sephirot, at least as far as the variations in the literature are concerned. The Tree of the Fall that is popular isn't even the oldest version of the 2D Tree, just one I think popularized by Isaak Luria in the 16th century.

Here are some examples of "Trees": http://www.workofthechariot.com/TextFil ... ction.html Just click on the left-hand column (although the sephirot are the Zoharic names, the geometries vary depending on what one is doing.

I like the 3D version, however, because it represents a depiction of the Divine Throne and surrounding environs. You can use it as a template of esoteric cultivation. Problem is the text has undergone so much editing that the cultivation aspect is hard to validate, unless you look at a certain exercise done by A. Peter Hayman who reconstructed the earliest available text by filtering out the additions (comparing the available variants). Anyhoo, I've been working with this as a manual of alchemy, point being that a successful esoteric map can lend itself to a variety of conceptual applications, excessive verbal expressions notwithstanding. I don't think its anything to write home about, unless you can blow people away with what you did with the new conception.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:42 pm
by CCoburn
Although the common schematics are in two dimensions which makes sense since it's most straightforward way to relay this information given a two dimensional medium. I always visualize the process in three dimensions. Plus I have been associating micro and macrocosmic time as variants of a fourth dimension. Change without, simply put : the omnipresent God, and time within as microcosmic consciousness, i.e. time/change within as a passing of moments.

There always is, and always will be, more.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:50 pm
by CCoburn
Plus other less common dimensions that fit the criteria - not sure the best way to define it at the moment, but you know, global parameters that contain measurement such as 'feeling'. So the spatial dimensions along with 'time' are measurable.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:56 pm
by CCoburn
The conscious spirit aspect of the tree would be an extra dimension above the three which I suppose would be a superset that includes 'feeling', i.e. dimensions within dimensions. Although the measurement of such is a bit more abstract.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:33 pm
by Omnicentrik
Right. But other than space and time, unless you go for abstract diagrams where any variable is spatialized, that can get confusing I think. I read somewhere that two dimensional depictions became popular during the advent of Christianity and Islam when statues were prohibited.

Interestingly the first three of the ten sephirot are states of energy/consciousness that have no spatial parallels aside from being at the center of the other six, with the fourth being at the center holding the rest (kown as the "inner court"). The outer court are designated by their positions: top, down, east (front), west (back) etc. The central position is more ambiguous, but still called a kernel or seed.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:01 pm
by CCoburn
Omnicentrik wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:33 pm Right. But other than space and time, unless you go for abstract diagrams where any variable is spatialized, that can get confusing I think. I read somewhere that two dimensional depictions became popular during the advent of Christianity and Islam when statues were prohibited.

Interestingly the first three of the ten sephirot are states of energy/consciousness that have no spatial parallels aside from being at the center of the other six, with the fourth being at the center holding the rest (known as the "inner court"). The outer court are designated by their positions: top, down, east (front), west (back) etc. The central position is more ambiguous, but still called a kernel or seed.
Hope you don't mind but I'd like to move the above comment to a new thread and call it Tree Of Life, or, Qabalah/Kabbalah so as to separate myself from that silly intro which undermines the integrity of the thread to a degree.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:04 pm
by Omnicentrik
That's cool. I thought about it myself when I saw I was somewhat veering off topic, but...lazy. I agree. No offense to the original poster, but I find it baseless as well.

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:26 am
by Amor
> not that fond of the the kabbalah and tree of life in general

It is fair to say that the entity within which the kabbalah exists is focussed in a past era.

On the other hand the geometry of the Tree of Life does fit quite well on continents and islands, marking out key energy flows and vortices. I first saw that on Iona. I noticed that the humans do not live in the land belonging to the higher sephiroth.

Can we then practice aspects of the kabbalah without having to live in the aura of a being for which the time has passed?

Re: A new Tree of Life

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:54 am
by Omnicentrik
Qabbala as an oral tradition, and before it was even called that can be traced to the time of Aberham (four thousand years ago), whereas the 2D Tree of Life and the corresponding lore dates from the European dark ages. And then you have the Christian Cabbala of Athansius Kircher around the 17th century, as well as the Golden Dawn take on the tradition. So the system has been constantly updated or at least adaped for better or worse over time.

The Tree of Life has many variations of correspondences, just as there are many trees. So I think that if you understand it, its history and evolution, and what sephirot are and what they represent, modern adaptation is feasable. For me it's not so much about what the "correct" associations are, but what story the associations one uses tell. If you go to the fundamentals of how the tree came to be, what the fall is and what role it plays (older trees had no abyss or gap between upper and lower sephirot), you can bypass the more modern takes and start from an older versions provided you address it in terms of timeless rather than dated principles such as religious dogma and the personal dispositions of certain Englishmen.

I think the tree shape is based on the flower of life principle, or rather the esoteric concept of an expanding creation, including the formation of planes of existence (Atsiluth, Beriyah, Yetsirah etc), but also parts of self (Neshama, Ruach, Nephesh etc). These are albeit Jewish versions of universal concepts- at least as far as humans are concerned. It's not that one should not mess with systems or attempt to adapt them or bring them up to date, but that most in my experience do not understand that it can only happen when one's interaction with the occult system is thorough and deep rather than just trying stuff out for one seemingly intuitive or rationalized reason or another.

So yeah, I personally have had success with adaptations, provided I put in the research and contemplation time so that I could get the fundamental language and mythos to the point that I could identify the changes and adaptations that would suite my purposes without diluting or distorting the fundamental nature of the system.