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https://www.youtube.com/embed/LsnBHP1n85I

54 minutes long.

Lengthy discussion on the practice of spiritual evocation using classic Goetia model, magick circle and triangle. The video, "The Invocation of Christmas" on the same channel gives a thorough explanation of the practice of invocation.
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I used to know a medical intern who, whenever he answered the phone, would say: City Morgue!

The callers would not know what to do.

Similarly when calling upon spirits, how do we know what has arrived?

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Amor wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:58 am I used to know a medical intern who, whenever he answered the phone, would say: City Morgue!

The callers would not know what to do.

Similarly when calling upon spirits, how do we know what has arrived?
That's funny :)

I know what's arrived cuz I don't call out and hope the right thing comes. i reach out to the very specific quintessence of the thing I want to contact.
More a house call than a summons to appear.
Granted that's more an OBE approach, and this thread is asking about summoning and making manifest an entity, so I might be skewing off topic there.
A couple times I've talked to entirely tangible people who were definitely not people. But i've never manifested a summoned entity into being visible or tactile (I think... might be some gray areas depending on how you think about reality and timelines).

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Kath wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:57 pm i reach out to the very specific quintessence of the thing I want to contact.
That requires awareness and mature relationships not available to most humans

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Amor wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:32 pm
Kath wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:57 pm i reach out to the very specific quintessence of the thing I want to contact.
That requires awareness and mature relationships not available to most humans
Also requires being personally familiar with the sentience in question. Which really is a significantly limiting factor to how i approach it.
Without a familiarity with that essence, it goes from being as simple as dialing the right 'vibe' (easy peasy), to being as daunting as finding a specific needle in a needle stack.

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Mostly I am given a thought-image as to an entity/awareness/beingness with which I should interact.

Then the problem starts: What am I supposed to do now?

I am largely left to discover by doing. Mostly the verdict is: close enough!

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Hmmm, tracking.

When I find that I have a hint of a trace of an entity or sentience, I can usually track the thread back to the source.
Explaining exactly "how" might be like asking a millipede how it walks :P but um, my impression is that it's similar to a bloodhound following a scent "the scent gets stronger this way..." There's like little fibers of the larger sentience's essence on everything it's touched.

If you have a mental image of an entity, that's not 'nothing' there should be little bits of it's essence flavor in that. Not so much in the specifics of form & appearance, but in the evocative sensation which accompanies the mental image.

There's at least a small thread of connection. chase the thread to the source ;)
Kinda like how you might trace a deliberate connection. But a little more subtle. There's threads of connection everywhere, and the vast majority aren't formed by intent, but just by happenstance. you touch things, those things touch other things, "6 degrees of separation" kinda stuff.

In OBE, your focus is your location. Go OBE, think about the lincoln memorial, bam, that's now your OBE location, as a result of your focus. It's harder if you have nothing to go off of. But if you have an inkling of the thing you're looking for, you can move progressively closer to it. Your focus on the trail being like a sort of locomotion for the astral body, moving along the thread of a hint of the thing you're looking for.

The tricky part is getting that initial lead. A thought-image of an entity/awareness/beingness seems like a strong lead to me, which should lead straight to the thing. If you just told me the name of a being, like say the name of a neighbor of yours, that would be a really, really, weak trail, almost nonexistent. I probably couldn't do much with it. But if i had a mental impression of their awareness/beingness... thats a very strong scent trail.


I guess this gets at what I was thinking (but articulating poorly) before.
If I read a text format of a phonetic name for an entity. I'd have no idea how to directly contact them, except the usual ritual format and fingers crossed that it's the thing in the book (probably fairly often not). But if I had a 'sense' of the entity, an experience in memory, containing a hint of the evocative sensation of that being's presence, then I could definitely connect with that particular entity, specifically, accurately, quickly, and easily.

(slightly off topic) It is interesting that I seem to have a photographic memory of the essence-sensation of all of the entities I have interacted with. I don't have a photographic memory of everything. I do lean kinda that way, but i also forget many things. I just never seem to forget an essence i've interacted with. Honestly I think I am not very good at remembering peoples' names and faces, but I think it's mostly that I remember their 'sensation' primarily.

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> I just never seem to forget an essence i've interacted with

Is there an entity that assists you - including as a spiritual GPS?

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Amor wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:13 am > I just never seem to forget an essence i've interacted with

Is there an entity that assists you - including as a spiritual GPS?
Hehe, no :P

I could make the argument that I have a photographic memory. But I could make that argument while looking for my lost sunglasses which are resting on top of my head.

I think "photographic memory" is a poorly understood term.
Every human being forgets things.

And really a photographic memory doesn't contain details which you don't look at. If you glance at a page of written words, even if you remember the experience of the stolen glance with absolute perfection, you won't be able to read all the words if your remembered experience doesn't include scanning through all the words so that you have a memory of each of the words being in focus. For example, just for a moment, stare at this word right HERE. Now, while you were looking there, you could probably make out the words near "HERE", but further from your visual focal point, the detail isn't precise enough to read text.

Even when you do focus, if you tell yourself you'll never forget this moment, this sunset, etc. Often we do forget. Or in recycling the memory, we may gradually alter the memory. As our memory becomes a memory of reminiscing on the memory we reminisced on many times before, in a daisy chain, which introduces flaws like a game of telephone.

But sometimes, we are more focused. Sometimes we etch a memory and it doesn't fade. I think this tends to accompany certain emotions and mental states. When a very high level of engagement meets the right state of consciousness, it sticks, very clearly.

So I don't think one person has a photographic memory, while the next person does not. I think i display what would be called a photographic memory, but certainly not all of the time (far from it). I think it's more that the way we store memories varies less from person to person, and more from memory to memory. Due, I suspect to differing states of mind at different times. Perhaps then a photographic memory might be better understood as a utility with invoking the right states of mind to form memories more clearly ...some of the time.

Just yesterday, I felt reminded of a memory I had from adolescence where I was deeply embarrassed by making a case of mistaken identity. I think that was a poor choice of things to remember clearly :P

But when i interact with an entity, I'm very engaged. And generally very focused and alert and kinda excited. It just tends to form clear memories. One would think that with more experience, that my level of engagement would wane. But I tend not to succumb to becoming bored of something that I initially find interesting.

So... sorry to ramble, kinda deciphering it as I type. But I'd say I just don't bore of things easily, if I at first find them interesting. And I'm very focused on the evocative sensation of things I engage with, even when I'm being especially clinical minded.
Entities are interesting, I'm always focused on the evocative sensation of their beingness/energy/consciousness, especially consciousness. So... voila.

Perhaps though... hmmm. I don't think the consciousness is entirely physical in nature. Partly, but not entirely. Maybe it's more accurate to say that sometimes I commit things to memory where I won't lose them due to shoddy neurons :P

Or perhaps the higher self remembers everything perfectly, and maybe some things I just tell myself that I can access from that level of mind. Perhaps that is intrinsic to the sensation itself...if the sensation comes not from sense organs, but from the spiritual portion of self, perhaps then that memory is transcribed in a way which is not susceptible to the perils of organic-based memory.

When you remember something like the sensation of another being... it's ineffable. You could write a thousand pages describing it, and still feel like you didn't quite capture it right. It's ill suited to abstraction into a communicable form. Like a hypercube of tangled, interacting, subtle nuances, forming a whole. Maybe regarding such things with the mind's eye leans more heavily into aspects of consciousness which are less rickety than my memory of where I left my keys.
I forget faces & names constantly. I just never forget the sensation of a sentience.

Anyway. all totally irrelevant for evoking 'insert name' listed in 'book-xyz'. Cuz if i haven't met them before, what is there to remember? Granted, I don't feel like that string of letters in a book really captures the essence of their them-ness in the first place.

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> I don't think the consciousness is entirely physical in nature.

I have been observing a friend with dementia - largely from being a professional soccer player, banging his head on the ball.

From what I have seen, the mental energy field connects to the brain using an interface layer somewhat like honeycomb. In his case the honeycomb has pulled away from 80% of his brain.

His mental energy operates in parallel existences and with the poor connection to his physical brain, he is often confused about why his wife is so old in this 3D timeline

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that fits with how I view it. I'm not sure of the specifics, and the brain is obviously intimately involved in consciousness, But i'm pretty solid on the general idea that mind is broader than what the brain encompasses. (and I don't think so just as a 'wishful thinking, cuz mortality is scary' kind of thing)

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RE : Memories

I still actively try to locate and relive distant memories from my childhood. I do this primarily because I enjoy the feeling that is associated with them. The memories are often vague although the feeling is unique and fairly consistent, but difficult to convey. Feeling is most definitely a whole other dimension all by itself, and quite profound at times.
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>I still actively try to locate and relive distant memories from my childhood.

Can you "see" a rolled up memory just behind and slightly above your right shoulder?

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Kath wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:17 pm that fits with how I view it. I'm not sure of the specifics, and the brain is obviously intimately involved in consciousness, But i'm pretty solid on the general idea that mind is broader than what the brain encompasses. (and I don't think so just as a 'wishful thinking, cuz mortality is scary' kind of thing)
I believe the brain is involved with consciousness insomuch as the spirit is involved with the soul. It's actually the union of the spirit with the material vessel that creates this distinct illusion of individuality. Which is what most are in fear of losing, but the mind is definitely broader if you think of it in terms of spirit(above), and soul(below).

It is akin to a refining and individualizing of raw primordial spirit along with diverse vehicular manifestations throughout the eons which results in these diverse contemporary vessels of the current day of which the consciousness does become quite intimate with.
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While I'm no proponent of manifesting anything to visible appearance on command. I have noticed a visible appearance of numerous light orbs that appear to be observing me on occasion and are only visible via a photographic effect. Digital debris or an effect of lighting perhaps, but there is a lot, and it appears to not behave in a manner consistent with lighting effects or other artifacts.

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