Original post: ChaosTech
After reading Dion Fortune's classic, Psychic Self Defense, there is a part in the book that facinated me. In this part, Dion describes an event where an elderly woman was going around feeding on people psychicly. She apparently had some sort of mental disorder. Anyway though, to keep this woman out of a room a man who Dion believed to be an Adept, traced a pentagram on a door to keep this woman out. My question is, I know pentagrams are good for banishing and or evoking astral entities, but can they also keep living human beings out of a certain place, functioning like a ward? If so, how should the pentagram be drawn upon a door, window, lid of a box, etc? Would one use the banishing pentagram of the earth, or another element? Or the banishing pentagram of spirit itself (if so which one, active or passive?)? Also, do any of you know any other methods of creating wards to keep living human beings out of an area? The reason I ask is because I live with others, who are not magicians or occult like to say the least, and I have had it with being disturbed by them, so I need a ward or some sort to keep them out. Nothing that will harm them though, just something that will give them some kind of feeling to stay out or something similar. I have tried tracing an astral pentagram of the earth (banishing) on my bedroom door in brilliant white, and charged with a high amount of concentration and emotion to keep them out, but this hasn't worked at all.
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Original post: Astral Alien
Not relating to pentagrams here, but I have seen a chaos technique(I think so) somewhere called the Triangular Ward, which supposedly works against both spirits and humans, if someone were to force open the surface in which the ward was constructed, the energy will explode out, perhaps you already know this, but I have no idea how a pentagram can do that. Until someone else comes along...
Not relating to pentagrams here, but I have seen a chaos technique(I think so) somewhere called the Triangular Ward, which supposedly works against both spirits and humans, if someone were to force open the surface in which the ward was constructed, the energy will explode out, perhaps you already know this, but I have no idea how a pentagram can do that. Until someone else comes along...
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Original post: ChaosTech
Actually no I didn't know of this, although I have read of similar wards, and being as the people in question are family, I really don't want them to be wounded with a bombardment of astral energy just for distrubing me. The last thing I want is to be responsible for dear old grandma falling over dead, just because she wanted to tell me my girlfriend called. Lol.
Actually no I didn't know of this, although I have read of similar wards, and being as the people in question are family, I really don't want them to be wounded with a bombardment of astral energy just for distrubing me. The last thing I want is to be responsible for dear old grandma falling over dead, just because she wanted to tell me my girlfriend called. Lol.
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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I have utilised two methods to achieve somewhat similar aims - often when I will be away from home for some time I walk the perimeter of the house/property drawing a circle and sealing with a regular earth pentagram - trying to dissuade potential intruders. Now, this usually won't be effective if someone is actively targeting a property in particular...but if they are just scanning for a particular score, it is my intention that they blithely skip over my property!.
Another method I have utilised is creating thought-forms of two black panthers stationed outside the door to my temple. I can't vouch for the veracity of the working BUT I was never disturbed and it used to freak the cats out as they walked past said door.
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I have utilised two methods to achieve somewhat similar aims - often when I will be away from home for some time I walk the perimeter of the house/property drawing a circle and sealing with a regular earth pentagram - trying to dissuade potential intruders. Now, this usually won't be effective if someone is actively targeting a property in particular...but if they are just scanning for a particular score, it is my intention that they blithely skip over my property!.
Another method I have utilised is creating thought-forms of two black panthers stationed outside the door to my temple. I can't vouch for the veracity of the working BUT I was never disturbed and it used to freak the cats out as they walked past said door.
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Original post: palindroem
Chaostech, you may also want to consider the effect of the kind of "ward" that an individual like an adept, in Fortune's circle of people, may have been creating.
I'm only hazarding guesses here but . . .
As an adept, understanding that creating something in an astral frame will cause that something to manifest in the material frame, he may have really created a "physically"effective banishing pentagram.
Also, whos to know but that he may have used an astral pentagram to create a "body" for a very effective thought-form, like what Fiat_lux was talking about. As an adept, its very likely that an effective warding thought-form "housed" in the shape of a pentagram could well turn a person aside, if not stop them cold . . . without causing any harm.
Chaostech, you may also want to consider the effect of the kind of "ward" that an individual like an adept, in Fortune's circle of people, may have been creating.
I'm only hazarding guesses here but . . .
As an adept, understanding that creating something in an astral frame will cause that something to manifest in the material frame, he may have really created a "physically"effective banishing pentagram.
Also, whos to know but that he may have used an astral pentagram to create a "body" for a very effective thought-form, like what Fiat_lux was talking about. As an adept, its very likely that an effective warding thought-form "housed" in the shape of a pentagram could well turn a person aside, if not stop them cold . . . without causing any harm.
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Original post: Caradoc
My guess would be that the pentagram used in the book would really be blocking or masking the energy of the adept himself, so that as the woman walks by the door she doesn't detect any food-source to vampirise and keeps on walking. Perhaps she could even detect that the adept was protectd and that would put her off trying to feed on him also.
I haven't read the book though, I don't like Dion Fortune.
My guess would be that the pentagram used in the book would really be blocking or masking the energy of the adept himself, so that as the woman walks by the door she doesn't detect any food-source to vampirise and keeps on walking. Perhaps she could even detect that the adept was protectd and that would put her off trying to feed on him also.
I haven't read the book though, I don't like Dion Fortune.
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Original post: pAmphAge
why mix the planes? try locking the door!
:-)
seriously. like crowley's famous example: if you conjure up undines to save your child who is drowning right in front of you, that is nothing but magick of the blackest kind.
also i might add i don't think astral warding would work well against any but the astrally sensitive. your average blockhead would most likely be oblivious to anything you would throw up. however, psychology can work GREAT on people (which is also magick!). Tell them that you put a curse above your door for anyone entering without your permission, or perhaps draw a menacing symbol on your door that they can actually see. Or hell. have you tried asking them not to enter? if it was me, I'd be more inclined to spend my time, say, invoking jupiter to find a better place to live than put up with people bursting in on me.
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why mix the planes? try locking the door!
:-)
seriously. like crowley's famous example: if you conjure up undines to save your child who is drowning right in front of you, that is nothing but magick of the blackest kind.
also i might add i don't think astral warding would work well against any but the astrally sensitive. your average blockhead would most likely be oblivious to anything you would throw up. however, psychology can work GREAT on people (which is also magick!). Tell them that you put a curse above your door for anyone entering without your permission, or perhaps draw a menacing symbol on your door that they can actually see. Or hell. have you tried asking them not to enter? if it was me, I'd be more inclined to spend my time, say, invoking jupiter to find a better place to live than put up with people bursting in on me.
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Original post: ChaosTech
You have excelent points pAmphAge, but let me address them.
As far as just locking the door, yes this physically blocks them from entering, but there is a little thing called moving a fist back and forth on a wooden surface, thus causing a disturbing high vibrational sound wave to rattle around my room and within my very skull, that will not stop until I unlock the door and address their inquiry.
As far as being too dense to sense the astral this is preposterous. All living things can sense astral energies, weither concious of what they are or not.
As far as the direct psychological scare tactic, this is the last thing I need, is for my family too become all supersitious of me and think I serve their anti-god, Satan or something. Then I will have my problems solved indeed, by one day coming home and finding all my belongings outside with a note saying to never come back or worst yet be bombarded by visits from the local clergy wanting to save my soul on request of my family. :roll:
And as for the using magick to get out and on my own in my own home, I am indeed doing this, but it's taking a while, as one thing magick has taught me is that great focused change is rarely instantaneous.
You have excelent points pAmphAge, but let me address them.
As far as just locking the door, yes this physically blocks them from entering, but there is a little thing called moving a fist back and forth on a wooden surface, thus causing a disturbing high vibrational sound wave to rattle around my room and within my very skull, that will not stop until I unlock the door and address their inquiry.
As far as being too dense to sense the astral this is preposterous. All living things can sense astral energies, weither concious of what they are or not.
As far as the direct psychological scare tactic, this is the last thing I need, is for my family too become all supersitious of me and think I serve their anti-god, Satan or something. Then I will have my problems solved indeed, by one day coming home and finding all my belongings outside with a note saying to never come back or worst yet be bombarded by visits from the local clergy wanting to save my soul on request of my family. :roll:
And as for the using magick to get out and on my own in my own home, I am indeed doing this, but it's taking a while, as one thing magick has taught me is that great focused change is rarely instantaneous.
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â??On her way to the market to buy her groceries, Ms. X noticed, walking along the same path toward her, an individual from a previous relationship who not was not only physically, but psychologically abusive as well. From her past experiences she knew that should this bold young man happen to see her, we would be likely to engage Ms. X in, at the very least, an uncomfortable conversation that would leave her emotionally and psychologically drained.
Without recourse to nearby police, who were already aware of a restraining order she placed against the man, the young woman walked into the boutique she had immediately been passing and, visualizing a large pentagram in front of the store building, managed to avert the perusal of the man who had noticed her seconds before â?? the same man she knew she wanted to avoid.â?Â
â??On her way to the market to buy her groceries, Ms. X noticed, walking along the same path toward her, an individual from a previous relationship who not was not only physically, but psychologically abusive as well. From her past experiences she knew that should this bold young man happen to see her, we would be likely to engage Ms. X in, at the very least, an uncomfortable conversation that would leave her emotionally and psychologically drained.
Without recourse to nearby police, who were already aware of a restraining order she placed against the man, the young woman walked into the boutique she had immediately been passing and, visualizing a large pentagram in front of the store building, managed to avert the perusal of the man who had noticed her seconds before â?? the same man she knew she wanted to avoid.â?Â
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Original post: I AM
Hey my friend!
I believe the technique you are looking for is an upside down pentagram. This was an old "crafter's" (not to be confused with WICCAN) technique for keeping unwanted visitors from entering their homes while they were away or protecting them while inside their homes.
I read about this years ago in a book about Witchcraft and Magick. The technique involves casting an upside down pentagram at the entrances to the property or house. The pentagram was bright blue / white and was cast at EACH entrance to the place to be protected. No ritual words were necessary.
I used this for years with success. In Hawaii, while in the military, I used to have to travel around the world often. I averaged being away from my house about 2 weeks out of every month. Each time I left I would cast these pentagrams. During my stay in Hawaii many houses on my street were broken into and robbed. Most of the time this occurred while the owners were away. My house was never bothered. Now, this begs a few questions.
Was it the pentagram that protected the house, was it my INTENT used while casting the pentagram, or was it a combination of both? Or was my house never the intended target anyway? I am not certain. However it did work and that is all that mattered at the time (this was when I was 30).
fiat_lux_777's Circle technique has also worked for me. I used to cast a circle big enough to encompass the house. Now, I use entities or servitors to accomplish the same purpose. Wards have also worked for me in the past with great success.
I hope this answer helps and provides you the answer you were seeking.
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Hey my friend!
I believe the technique you are looking for is an upside down pentagram. This was an old "crafter's" (not to be confused with WICCAN) technique for keeping unwanted visitors from entering their homes while they were away or protecting them while inside their homes.
I read about this years ago in a book about Witchcraft and Magick. The technique involves casting an upside down pentagram at the entrances to the property or house. The pentagram was bright blue / white and was cast at EACH entrance to the place to be protected. No ritual words were necessary.
I used this for years with success. In Hawaii, while in the military, I used to have to travel around the world often. I averaged being away from my house about 2 weeks out of every month. Each time I left I would cast these pentagrams. During my stay in Hawaii many houses on my street were broken into and robbed. Most of the time this occurred while the owners were away. My house was never bothered. Now, this begs a few questions.
Was it the pentagram that protected the house, was it my INTENT used while casting the pentagram, or was it a combination of both? Or was my house never the intended target anyway? I am not certain. However it did work and that is all that mattered at the time (this was when I was 30).
fiat_lux_777's Circle technique has also worked for me. I used to cast a circle big enough to encompass the house. Now, I use entities or servitors to accomplish the same purpose. Wards have also worked for me in the past with great success.
I hope this answer helps and provides you the answer you were seeking.
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Original post: pAmphAge
As far as being too dense to sense the astral this is preposterous. All living things can sense astral energies, weither concious of what they are or not.
Up to a point, but we are talking about people in their own home...a generally stable, comfortable environment that they are well-used to. I just find it hard to believe that any astral symbol is going to work when it has that type of household energy to contend with.
As far as the direct psychological scare tactic, this is the last thing I need, is for my family too become all supersitious of me and think I serve their anti-god, Satan or something. Then I will have my problems solved indeed, by one day coming home and finding all my belongings outside with a note saying to never come back or worst yet be bombarded by visits from the local clergy wanting to save my soul on request of my family.
Ok, I understand your situtation more now--I was in similiar one about 15 years ago. It's no fun, i know =( Have you tried inventing some solitary practice that requires you to not be disturbed for an hour or two at a time? Like maybe telling them you are just meditating and you'd really like not to be disturbed in that time? (Or would that just have the opposite effect? I realize this is your family now and that's a whole different can of worms than regular roomates.)
And I'm sure your magick will work to get you a new place.
Things like moves can definitely take some time to manifest.
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As far as being too dense to sense the astral this is preposterous. All living things can sense astral energies, weither concious of what they are or not.
Up to a point, but we are talking about people in their own home...a generally stable, comfortable environment that they are well-used to. I just find it hard to believe that any astral symbol is going to work when it has that type of household energy to contend with.
As far as the direct psychological scare tactic, this is the last thing I need, is for my family too become all supersitious of me and think I serve their anti-god, Satan or something. Then I will have my problems solved indeed, by one day coming home and finding all my belongings outside with a note saying to never come back or worst yet be bombarded by visits from the local clergy wanting to save my soul on request of my family.
Ok, I understand your situtation more now--I was in similiar one about 15 years ago. It's no fun, i know =( Have you tried inventing some solitary practice that requires you to not be disturbed for an hour or two at a time? Like maybe telling them you are just meditating and you'd really like not to be disturbed in that time? (Or would that just have the opposite effect? I realize this is your family now and that's a whole different can of worms than regular roomates.)
And I'm sure your magick will work to get you a new place.
Things like moves can definitely take some time to manifest.pAmphAge