Original post: sariel angel
ok, here's the deal. I was reading through a book today on vampirism called the Psychic Vampire Codex and Although I originaly picked it up out of morbid curiosity (I have a curiosity problem when it comes to creepy books with gothic text),
I was amazed to discover that the book contained some of the best information on energy exchange and psi I have ever seen published. so I bought the book. (well to be fair, Odontata bought it for me).
Now, Even though I have had my days in youth where I was a bit on the gothic side, I am not interested in learning to become an energy sucking aneimic addolecent iddot. I am interested however in what the board thinks about the subject of energy vampires, and vampirism in general. (also If anyone has any informative links articles, advice or information to send to me..that would be extremly helpful. ) I am not ready to jump on teh vampyric bandwagon. (honestly I wish I had a better terminology for this),
but I do find it intreaguing on an intelectual level, and would love to learn more about it.
I want to hear your opinions on ethics, practices, and anything else you wish to sink your fangs into. (no sanguines please..thats just gross).
so.......What do you all think of so-called psychic vampires?
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It's a condition that involves a dependency upon the energies of others. Usually, a psi-vamp only needs a little energy to feed, and can even feed on non-living sources, such as the sun, moving air (aka wind), or the energy compacted in subatomic particles.
It's a condition that involves a dependency upon the energies of others. Usually, a psi-vamp only needs a little energy to feed, and can even feed on non-living sources, such as the sun, moving air (aka wind), or the energy compacted in subatomic particles.
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
my mother gave me that book I gave it away, it was worthless
my mother gave me that book I gave it away, it was worthless
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Original post: moonburn33
I think that for the most part, it's an imagined condition. No one is set up to interact with energy in that way. The person who wrote that book is fairly intelligent and seems to have a pretty decent thing going. It's an interesting peek into a subculture, regardless of the other content. The energy manipulation techniques are mildly valuable, especially if you don't have a base to fall back on. My advice would be to keep soul searching.
I think that for the most part, it's an imagined condition. No one is set up to interact with energy in that way. The person who wrote that book is fairly intelligent and seems to have a pretty decent thing going. It's an interesting peek into a subculture, regardless of the other content. The energy manipulation techniques are mildly valuable, especially if you don't have a base to fall back on. My advice would be to keep soul searching.
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Original post: sariel angel
darn, naomi got banned again..I was going to ask for other book recomendations since there are not too many published on the subject.
moonburn- why do you think that "no one is set up to interact with energy that way"?
do you think its possible energy vampirisim might be more of an addiction then a dependancy?
is an energy vampire born that way? or is it a condition that could develop over time?
darn, naomi got banned again..I was going to ask for other book recomendations since there are not too many published on the subject.
moonburn- why do you think that "no one is set up to interact with energy that way"?
do you think its possible energy vampirisim might be more of an addiction then a dependancy?
is an energy vampire born that way? or is it a condition that could develop over time?
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Original post: Malamatiyya
[QUOTE=Alaras;288439]It's a condition that involves a dependency upon the energies of others.[/QUOTE]
All life is vampirism.
[QUOTE=Alaras;288439]It's a condition that involves a dependency upon the energies of others.[/QUOTE]
All life is vampirism.
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Original post: moonburn33
In all honesty, I asked Kali Ma about it one day and that's what she told me. That this whole "psychic vampire" phenomena is a bunch of delusion. She explained it to me adequately, but by all means don't take my word for it. Though my gut feeling is that you wouldn't have anyway
In all honesty, I asked Kali Ma about it one day and that's what she told me. That this whole "psychic vampire" phenomena is a bunch of delusion. She explained it to me adequately, but by all means don't take my word for it. Though my gut feeling is that you wouldn't have anyway
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Original post: moonburn33
What they said.
The otherworld is an ecosystem. Different creatures have different apparati to feed on different energies. The reality of the situation is far too complex to house a concept like vampirism. It's a lazy metaphor.
All life is vampirism.
What they said.
The otherworld is an ecosystem. Different creatures have different apparati to feed on different energies. The reality of the situation is far too complex to house a concept like vampirism. It's a lazy metaphor.
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Many and perhaps all spirits living or dead feed on energy. I define psi vampires as the spirits who loose energy at great amounts and then need to get it from other living things. This causes them to need to feed off energy more.
Now I once watched a show on canabalism and a scientist said that if a man who was starving to death to the point where he might die any moment and he had a choice between chicken and human meat the human meat would be better for him. This is because diguestion is just breaking food down into the parts of the food your body needs to make itself. If your have a *aura leek* as vampires are said to have which causes the lose in energy then you will need more energy food. Most humans will gain energy from around them. The earth, sun, air, particules, all that. A vampire needs more energy. They also dont have a lot of time to process all the normal energy into their system. Depending on the severity of the "leek" they might have no choice but to take already processed energy from other humans or living things.
I dont see anything wrong with this ethicly since it causes no or little harm to the "victom" and every time you eat a burger you are probly doing worse. (The cow had to die) I myself practice "leeching" as many call it. Its when one who does not require the energy forces the draining of another's energy. This is merely experimentation and learning incase of emergencies. I have heard of people draining someone intill they are unable to move. This is entirly different ethicly.
Many and perhaps all spirits living or dead feed on energy. I define psi vampires as the spirits who loose energy at great amounts and then need to get it from other living things. This causes them to need to feed off energy more.
Now I once watched a show on canabalism and a scientist said that if a man who was starving to death to the point where he might die any moment and he had a choice between chicken and human meat the human meat would be better for him. This is because diguestion is just breaking food down into the parts of the food your body needs to make itself. If your have a *aura leek* as vampires are said to have which causes the lose in energy then you will need more energy food. Most humans will gain energy from around them. The earth, sun, air, particules, all that. A vampire needs more energy. They also dont have a lot of time to process all the normal energy into their system. Depending on the severity of the "leek" they might have no choice but to take already processed energy from other humans or living things.
I dont see anything wrong with this ethicly since it causes no or little harm to the "victom" and every time you eat a burger you are probly doing worse. (The cow had to die) I myself practice "leeching" as many call it. Its when one who does not require the energy forces the draining of another's energy. This is merely experimentation and learning incase of emergencies. I have heard of people draining someone intill they are unable to move. This is entirly different ethicly.
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Original post: Centrix
A child's fantasy for the most part. The book you mention is pure schlock.
sariel angel;288426 wrote:
so.......What do you all think of so-called psychic vampires?
A child's fantasy for the most part. The book you mention is pure schlock.
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Original post: Dreamshards8
I think that vampirism is one of the most misunderstood topics, or maybe everyone just has their own opinion on it. I believe that there are some more then others who feed on other peoples energies. It can effect the people who are close to that person more then strangers. I had a very close friend who would completely suck happy energy out of everyone close around him when was in a negative mood. It was horrible, it put everyone else in a negative mood.
I think that vampirism is one of the most misunderstood topics, or maybe everyone just has their own opinion on it. I believe that there are some more then others who feed on other peoples energies. It can effect the people who are close to that person more then strangers. I had a very close friend who would completely suck happy energy out of everyone close around him when was in a negative mood. It was horrible, it put everyone else in a negative mood.
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Original post: Tavthe
I can't speak for the codex, seeing as I've never read it. However I do have an opinion on the subject.
I have heard the theories that vampirism is caused by an astral deficiency that leads to a faulty or leaky chakra. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this view, but even if it is true, it is possible to reroute one's energy system to avoid the leak. Having done work with my chakras, I learned over time that I have something wrong with my second chakra (down in the reproductive department) and I've been told by fluffies and others that that could cause damage in drawing energy up through my lower energy points. I did have trouble but somehow managed to reroute it to avoid the supposedly "leaky" section. I have a tendency to draw from a variety of sources, when I feel its necessary, but I don't pull in energy from other people (at least not consciously, although i'm sure it has happened unconsciously).
One element of the subject of vampirism as an energy deficiency I have often wondered about and that few people ever want to address is the concept of recycling your own energy. It seems plausible that when we draw in the energy of others we are incorporating it into our own systems (or even in sex magic we have the potential to give/take energy from our partner(s)), so what is to keep us from re-cycling energy we have back through our own energy bodies ?
I don't see why psi vamps are an impossibility.
I can't speak for the codex, seeing as I've never read it. However I do have an opinion on the subject.
I have heard the theories that vampirism is caused by an astral deficiency that leads to a faulty or leaky chakra. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this view, but even if it is true, it is possible to reroute one's energy system to avoid the leak. Having done work with my chakras, I learned over time that I have something wrong with my second chakra (down in the reproductive department) and I've been told by fluffies and others that that could cause damage in drawing energy up through my lower energy points. I did have trouble but somehow managed to reroute it to avoid the supposedly "leaky" section. I have a tendency to draw from a variety of sources, when I feel its necessary, but I don't pull in energy from other people (at least not consciously, although i'm sure it has happened unconsciously).
One element of the subject of vampirism as an energy deficiency I have often wondered about and that few people ever want to address is the concept of recycling your own energy. It seems plausible that when we draw in the energy of others we are incorporating it into our own systems (or even in sex magic we have the potential to give/take energy from our partner(s)), so what is to keep us from re-cycling energy we have back through our own energy bodies ?
I don't see why psi vamps are an impossibility.
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Original post: Centrix
So how do you find out if Vampires exist beyond mere fluffy bunnies and other human delusions?
So how do you find out if Vampires exist beyond mere fluffy bunnies and other human delusions?
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Original post: sariel angel
Tavthe, I thought the same thing after reading over it. Still even if it is completly psychological,
I find that after reading, I am way more aware of my own energy now.
I do not believe that I have an auric leak that would be bad enough to turn me into
an unwilling psi-vamp, I have however been able to pinpoint different leaks and
problems with both my phisical body, and subtle body. I have used energy cycling to
fix these problems..but so far its only been a temporary solution.
(perhaps you could help me out with this?) If indeed vampirism is caused by a leeky chacra, I would
love to know which one. (I wonder if the base is more prone to leekage then say
the throat). I will continue experimenting. So far, the chapter on healing has been
the most bennifical. Honestly I wish more people would read books that offend them.
Tavthe, I thought the same thing after reading over it. Still even if it is completly psychological,
I find that after reading, I am way more aware of my own energy now.
I do not believe that I have an auric leak that would be bad enough to turn me into
an unwilling psi-vamp, I have however been able to pinpoint different leaks and
problems with both my phisical body, and subtle body. I have used energy cycling to
fix these problems..but so far its only been a temporary solution.
(perhaps you could help me out with this?) If indeed vampirism is caused by a leeky chacra, I would
love to know which one. (I wonder if the base is more prone to leekage then say
the throat). I will continue experimenting. So far, the chapter on healing has been
the most bennifical. Honestly I wish more people would read books that offend them.
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Original post: Centrix
Classifying anyone who absorbs energy in one way or another will put every living thing in the "vampire" category.
The word "psi vamp" is a short form of the word "Psychic Vampire," a term originally coined by Anton Lavey.
The "psi vamp" subculture did rise alongside the gothic subculture, and they are somewhat tied together. Michelle Belanger borrowed not a small amount from the rising interest in vampires and vampire role-playing games in the early 1990s along with ever-changing ideas on "psionics" found on the net. There was already an organization (It still exists) that came before the entire "psi vamp" adolescent gothic scene dedicated to such a discipline in a much more sane fashion.
Classifying anyone who absorbs energy in one way or another will put every living thing in the "vampire" category.
The word "psi vamp" is a short form of the word "Psychic Vampire," a term originally coined by Anton Lavey.
The "psi vamp" subculture did rise alongside the gothic subculture, and they are somewhat tied together. Michelle Belanger borrowed not a small amount from the rising interest in vampires and vampire role-playing games in the early 1990s along with ever-changing ideas on "psionics" found on the net. There was already an organization (It still exists) that came before the entire "psi vamp" adolescent gothic scene dedicated to such a discipline in a much more sane fashion.
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Original post: hitman777
It is very possible to "vampirize" other people's energy, even to the point of them getting seriously ill. You can do it to benefit yourself off of their energy, or you can do it simply for shits and giggles. For the most part, if you take a little piece of somebody's energy, aura, whatever, nothing much will happen to them.
As far as there being people who actually need it? I'm skeptical. I can see old folks dying in the hospital or whatever accidentally doing it to cling to life, or depressed people doing it to have the energy to get out of bed. But an entire subspecies of gothic freaks who have an actual life or death need to feed off of the energy of others? I don't think so. Plus, one, they probably wouldn't even know they were doing it, and two, why would they all dress like retards who are rebelling because mommy wouldn't buy them a car?
It is very possible to "vampirize" other people's energy, even to the point of them getting seriously ill. You can do it to benefit yourself off of their energy, or you can do it simply for shits and giggles. For the most part, if you take a little piece of somebody's energy, aura, whatever, nothing much will happen to them.
As far as there being people who actually need it? I'm skeptical. I can see old folks dying in the hospital or whatever accidentally doing it to cling to life, or depressed people doing it to have the energy to get out of bed. But an entire subspecies of gothic freaks who have an actual life or death need to feed off of the energy of others? I don't think so. Plus, one, they probably wouldn't even know they were doing it, and two, why would they all dress like retards who are rebelling because mommy wouldn't buy them a car?
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Original post: Tavthe
[QUOTE=sariel angel;289526]Tavthe, I thought the same thing after reading over it. Still even if it is completly psychological,
I find that after reading, I am way more aware of my own energy now.
I do not believe that I have an auric leak that would be bad enough to turn me into
an unwilling psi-vamp, I have however been able to pinpoint different leaks and
problems with both my phisical body, and subtle body. I have used energy cycling to
fix these problems..but so far its only been a temporary solution.
(perhaps you could help me out with this?) If indeed vampirism is caused by a leeky chacra, I would
love to know which one. (I wonder if the base is more prone to leekage then say
the throat). I will continue experimenting. So far, the chapter on healing has been
the most bennifical. Honestly I wish more people would read books that offend them.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it can always be pinned down to the same chakra. You say the base is more prone, but in my experience it wasn't in the base, but the next one up. What you say about the book makes me at least the slightest bit curious enough to read it.
[QUOTE=sariel angel;289526]Tavthe, I thought the same thing after reading over it. Still even if it is completly psychological,
I find that after reading, I am way more aware of my own energy now.
I do not believe that I have an auric leak that would be bad enough to turn me into
an unwilling psi-vamp, I have however been able to pinpoint different leaks and
problems with both my phisical body, and subtle body. I have used energy cycling to
fix these problems..but so far its only been a temporary solution.
(perhaps you could help me out with this?) If indeed vampirism is caused by a leeky chacra, I would
love to know which one. (I wonder if the base is more prone to leekage then say
the throat). I will continue experimenting. So far, the chapter on healing has been
the most bennifical. Honestly I wish more people would read books that offend them.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it can always be pinned down to the same chakra. You say the base is more prone, but in my experience it wasn't in the base, but the next one up. What you say about the book makes me at least the slightest bit curious enough to read it.
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Original post: Kath_
eeee... i gotta run to work, i will post on this later, promise
eeee... i gotta run to work, i will post on this later, promise
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Original post: sariel angel
so your saying I might have a leeky bellybutton?
so your saying I might have a leeky bellybutton?
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Original post: moonburn33
I had a woman try to feed off of me at a goth club. I went back in time and unmade her shields as she was constructing them. Then I drained her and slashed up her energy body until it leaked all over the place.
Silly people who are full of their pompous selves. They think that they can ride some archetypal wave and come out on top. All they do is trade in the same energy that everyone else does... only they must do it cooler and in some faux predatory way. Silly goths- Bella Lugosi's dead.
Yes, you might have a leaky belly button.
I had a woman try to feed off of me at a goth club. I went back in time and unmade her shields as she was constructing them. Then I drained her and slashed up her energy body until it leaked all over the place.
Silly people who are full of their pompous selves. They think that they can ride some archetypal wave and come out on top. All they do is trade in the same energy that everyone else does... only they must do it cooler and in some faux predatory way. Silly goths- Bella Lugosi's dead.
Yes, you might have a leaky belly button.
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The best way to learn about the power of blood exchange is to tell your potential lover that you are interested in drinking theirs and they yours and see what happens next, they will either run out the door, proceed with caution, or give in to the blood-sex fantasies you share-- at least these have been my experiences. You cannot expect to learn anything from books, the media, or anything else trusting someone else's vision to decide what you perceive. The only way to learn about this and that is to live it and explore it for at least a year, if after that you decide it isn't for you then it isn't, but at least you had the guts to do more than flip through some flimsy pages or view a website and make a blanket assumption. I know this path isn't for all and it shouldn't be by it's very nature, but I don't disdain you for your beliefs.
My Wife and Magickal Consort of fifteen years shared each others blood on our second date, she and I still bear the scars which we both laughingly refer too as our "devils marks" - great beastial sex followed. I've seen self proclaimed Christian/Catholic friends married, divorced, and remarried (and cheating on their spouses male and female) during the time we have been married and have remained faithful to each other, kind of funny.
The best way to learn about the power of blood exchange is to tell your potential lover that you are interested in drinking theirs and they yours and see what happens next, they will either run out the door, proceed with caution, or give in to the blood-sex fantasies you share-- at least these have been my experiences. You cannot expect to learn anything from books, the media, or anything else trusting someone else's vision to decide what you perceive. The only way to learn about this and that is to live it and explore it for at least a year, if after that you decide it isn't for you then it isn't, but at least you had the guts to do more than flip through some flimsy pages or view a website and make a blanket assumption. I know this path isn't for all and it shouldn't be by it's very nature, but I don't disdain you for your beliefs.
My Wife and Magickal Consort of fifteen years shared each others blood on our second date, she and I still bear the scars which we both laughingly refer too as our "devils marks" - great beastial sex followed. I've seen self proclaimed Christian/Catholic friends married, divorced, and remarried (and cheating on their spouses male and female) during the time we have been married and have remained faithful to each other, kind of funny.
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Original post: sariel angel
*runs to get ducttape to fix leek*
um...I was refering only to the Psi Vampyres with this post, Not that I have anything against the Sanguines...I just am more interested in energy exchange then hemoglobin. Congrats to you and your wife though, for making it work for you.
*runs to get ducttape to fix leek*
um...I was refering only to the Psi Vampyres with this post, Not that I have anything against the Sanguines...I just am more interested in energy exchange then hemoglobin. Congrats to you and your wife though, for making it work for you.
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Original post: Kath_
I'm gonna get soooo flamed...
and you know, really the whole energy manipulation model is just that a model, so the accuracy of what follows must be regarded in the sense that it is describing interactions and effects which exist as constructs within that paradigm.
and centrix, i know you hate 'vamps' and oddly have a link to a vampire site in your signature
what's that about?
anyway, my thoughts on all that's been brought up...
Michelle's book : good parts & bad parts. the worst parts are her 'caste system' IMO. but there's some pretty decent entry level material in there on the energy manipulation model for magick working. Someone experienced with the energy manipulation model of magick working will likely not find a lot of 'new' information in the book.
Goth : Very few psi vamps are goth... or satanist, or anything else traditionally associated. Please note i differentiate between people who think it sounds cool and wana be all cool and crap... and people who really tap into people's energy as a routine practice, without any glitz or drama.
Why? : because they need energy, and are fairly adept energy manipulators. 99% are 'vamping' unconsciously before realizing it. sometimes for many years before realizing it. actually some psi vamps never realize it, or they notice it and dismiss it or refuse the paradigm. which is fine I think. Those who notice this seemingly 'built in' habit, and are openminded to it, end up wanting to learn more about it, how to control it, find others who do it, etc.
How : through a connection with another person, created by achieving a sort of resonance with that person, the psi vamp will draw energy from them. The method of achieving that resonant connection could be anything from touch, to eye contact, to proximity, to conversation, to visualization, to astral projection, to any of a number of other ways. Distance is not necessarily an issue, except insomuch as strangers far apart have no commonground to build on. Usually a psi vamp will have a 'favorite' method. this is usually the method they used unconsciously before realizing what was going on.
Chakras : many psi vamps who have learned more about energy and the subtle body, will note difficulties or oddities in the lower chakras. Especially the Navel. most psi vamps have a very active solar plexus which is different than traditional energy models, since that falls between the traditional heart & navel chakra locations, yet it is the most energetic point on many psi vamps' energy body. Also, most psi vamps have 'tendrils', sometimes enough of them that they seem like a nexus of tendrilous connections.
Personally, I don't have any noteworthy energy-body 'nodes' below the solar plexus. In myself, I have a brow/crown chakra (I see them as 2 angles on sort of the same point in the body), heart chakra, and solar plexus. And that's about it. Percieving energy isn't a problem so either the other chakras are weak, inactive, or just not there. I don't have any problems with energy levels as i've adapted to it quite well. but thats how it's structured.
excerpt from another site which i wrote:
A psi vamp is likely to be either charismatic, or shy, depending on their ability to control their empathy (all psi vamps have empathy). Psi vamps are generally keenly aware of how others perceive them (in some cases more aware than they'd like), and don't generally engage in annoying or *outwardly* petty behavior, socially.
Black Clothing : it goes well with most other colors, and its slimming, who cares?
Ethics : Much depends on how much you believe in the personal property ownership of spiritual energy. From a communist perspective, its perfectly fine. Most psi vamps (contrary to popular myth) devote some thought time and energy to the idea of ethics, and how to manage the situation with no or minimal negative impact to others.
Some are very big on the idea of permission and prefer to find donors. Others emphasize a lack of negative impact (especially on poor donors) and try to access the energy of crowds or feed serially of many people in tiny amounts.
A handful (small minority) think its cool that they can hurt people intangibly and try to refine that ability to enhance the effect.
Causes : any situation which leaves a person severely energetically depleted on a chronic basis. Some say its an energy leak, some say lack of connection to source, some say energy incompatibility issues, some say they use energy at a much higher rate, some say its caused by chronic stressors in a person's life... I say all of these are possible causes.
Other thoughts : The term 'vampire' is seriously waaaaay overdramatic. UNfortunately its the one in common use, and it isn't likely to change.
I used to consider myself a psi vamp. actually I was something of a well regarded thinker within that subculture. I still don't access energy in the normal way. I am something of an energy-reptile, if you think of an energy-mammal as being "endothermic" generating its own heat... I dont, energeticly at least (and we're talking about spiritual energy, not electricity or heat). But I no longer feed on people, I have no need to, I have permenantly and massively solved my energy needs. So I am sort of a retired psi vamp. or maybe 'graduated'.
I hope this was helpful sariel. Just remember that energy changes hands all the time. This doesn't mean every time a person uptakes energy that there's a chronic issue that way. be happy to be you, whatever you are, however you are, under any label
Kath
I'm gonna get soooo flamed...
and you know, really the whole energy manipulation model is just that a model, so the accuracy of what follows must be regarded in the sense that it is describing interactions and effects which exist as constructs within that paradigm.
and centrix, i know you hate 'vamps' and oddly have a link to a vampire site in your signature
what's that about?anyway, my thoughts on all that's been brought up...
Michelle's book : good parts & bad parts. the worst parts are her 'caste system' IMO. but there's some pretty decent entry level material in there on the energy manipulation model for magick working. Someone experienced with the energy manipulation model of magick working will likely not find a lot of 'new' information in the book.
Goth : Very few psi vamps are goth... or satanist, or anything else traditionally associated. Please note i differentiate between people who think it sounds cool and wana be all cool and crap... and people who really tap into people's energy as a routine practice, without any glitz or drama.
Why? : because they need energy, and are fairly adept energy manipulators. 99% are 'vamping' unconsciously before realizing it. sometimes for many years before realizing it. actually some psi vamps never realize it, or they notice it and dismiss it or refuse the paradigm. which is fine I think. Those who notice this seemingly 'built in' habit, and are openminded to it, end up wanting to learn more about it, how to control it, find others who do it, etc.
How : through a connection with another person, created by achieving a sort of resonance with that person, the psi vamp will draw energy from them. The method of achieving that resonant connection could be anything from touch, to eye contact, to proximity, to conversation, to visualization, to astral projection, to any of a number of other ways. Distance is not necessarily an issue, except insomuch as strangers far apart have no commonground to build on. Usually a psi vamp will have a 'favorite' method. this is usually the method they used unconsciously before realizing what was going on.
Chakras : many psi vamps who have learned more about energy and the subtle body, will note difficulties or oddities in the lower chakras. Especially the Navel. most psi vamps have a very active solar plexus which is different than traditional energy models, since that falls between the traditional heart & navel chakra locations, yet it is the most energetic point on many psi vamps' energy body. Also, most psi vamps have 'tendrils', sometimes enough of them that they seem like a nexus of tendrilous connections.
Personally, I don't have any noteworthy energy-body 'nodes' below the solar plexus. In myself, I have a brow/crown chakra (I see them as 2 angles on sort of the same point in the body), heart chakra, and solar plexus. And that's about it. Percieving energy isn't a problem so either the other chakras are weak, inactive, or just not there. I don't have any problems with energy levels as i've adapted to it quite well. but thats how it's structured.
excerpt from another site which i wrote:
Misconception : A lot of people seem to confuse (mostly due to new age authors) the difference between people with personality disorders, and people who are using metaphysics to tap into others as energy sources. The annoying people discussed in much literature as 'psi vamps' is in fact just annoying people. Amazingly, annoying people are... annoying... and thus depleting. This is not psychic vampirism. This is caused by emotional problems in the psyche of the annoying person.personally as for chakras, i've spent a lot of time trying to sense chakras which aren't there. I have 3 chakras, I can't even begin to describe how many vedics I've clashed with on this issue. There just aren't any more in me. I can sense energy across the room, i'm not being blind, if they were there... i'd know, but they're not.
is this why i'm a psi vamp (or former psi vamp depending on your POV)? possibly? probably? I dunno.
I don't really make my own energy at all. I just access it in various ways.
as it stands there is a brow chakra, which also seems to partially overlap where a crown chakra would be. this is associated with thought and sense. a chest chakra, which seems to be the point at which the physical body and subtle body are anchored together. and a solar plexus chakra just under the sternum, this is the center or core of my energy body. and is the most powerfully felt chakra. When i've got a lot of energy it is warm almost to a burning sensation, and electric-butterfly feelings radiate from it, sometimes through the whole body and beyond. I also find that I have tenticles or tendrils in my energy body. For the most part, the 'tendrils' extend largely from the back, but can be found anywhere, they are polymorphic in size shape number and location. They remind me vaguely of the 'fingers' of plasma in a plasma lamp.
A psi vamp is likely to be either charismatic, or shy, depending on their ability to control their empathy (all psi vamps have empathy). Psi vamps are generally keenly aware of how others perceive them (in some cases more aware than they'd like), and don't generally engage in annoying or *outwardly* petty behavior, socially.
Black Clothing : it goes well with most other colors, and its slimming, who cares?
Ethics : Much depends on how much you believe in the personal property ownership of spiritual energy. From a communist perspective, its perfectly fine. Most psi vamps (contrary to popular myth) devote some thought time and energy to the idea of ethics, and how to manage the situation with no or minimal negative impact to others.
Some are very big on the idea of permission and prefer to find donors. Others emphasize a lack of negative impact (especially on poor donors) and try to access the energy of crowds or feed serially of many people in tiny amounts.
A handful (small minority) think its cool that they can hurt people intangibly and try to refine that ability to enhance the effect.
Causes : any situation which leaves a person severely energetically depleted on a chronic basis. Some say its an energy leak, some say lack of connection to source, some say energy incompatibility issues, some say they use energy at a much higher rate, some say its caused by chronic stressors in a person's life... I say all of these are possible causes.
Other thoughts : The term 'vampire' is seriously waaaaay overdramatic. UNfortunately its the one in common use, and it isn't likely to change.
I used to consider myself a psi vamp. actually I was something of a well regarded thinker within that subculture. I still don't access energy in the normal way. I am something of an energy-reptile, if you think of an energy-mammal as being "endothermic" generating its own heat... I dont, energeticly at least (and we're talking about spiritual energy, not electricity or heat). But I no longer feed on people, I have no need to, I have permenantly and massively solved my energy needs. So I am sort of a retired psi vamp. or maybe 'graduated'.
I hope this was helpful sariel. Just remember that energy changes hands all the time. This doesn't mean every time a person uptakes energy that there's a chronic issue that way. be happy to be you, whatever you are, however you are, under any label
Kath
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Original post: moonburn33
I felt compelled to say something because I posted a lot in this topic. That was really good, Kath. I, for a long time, also went down the psi vamp road. It took years of really painful introspection to get myself out of that one. And by getting out I mean "developing a larger perspective on life". No flames from me.
I felt compelled to say something because I posted a lot in this topic. That was really good, Kath. I, for a long time, also went down the psi vamp road. It took years of really painful introspection to get myself out of that one. And by getting out I mean "developing a larger perspective on life". No flames from me.
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I'm glad you're giving all this input, Kath. Ever since the Dark Wave, I knew this was going to happen. There are posers and there are people who exchange energy. And, of course, the argument on whether or not they're born that way is just like the argument on homosexuality.
I'm just hoping the psi-vamp trend doesn't transfer to the emos.
I'm glad you're giving all this input, Kath. Ever since the Dark Wave, I knew this was going to happen. There are posers and there are people who exchange energy. And, of course, the argument on whether or not they're born that way is just like the argument on homosexuality.
I'm just hoping the psi-vamp trend doesn't transfer to the emos.