is it true that demons are now free?

[blackdove]

there is a site that I usually go to.http://www.joyofsatan.org/.It states that a group of satanic high priests have officially set free over a 100 demons,including the goetia demons,and that they now roam freely.and that they can no longer be bound using triangles of art and circles of art,because they have officialy been set "free".

""recently,several high priest and high priestesses performed energy work with many different demons including all of the demons of the goetia.all 72 demons of the goetia have been freed and many more" "we warn everyone:using spiritually abusive methods of the old grimoires is not only foolish,but will inevitably result in personal disaster.""the days of using enemy "god" names,nine foot circles,threats and other destructive and abusive methods are over.dont say you weren't warned..."" -joyofsatan.com

is this statement true?

on the other hand,it provides many meditations and "satanic" witchcraft,but when reading through it,I found that most of it really didnt have anything to do with satan,but rather with ones own mind and energy manipulation.which is the main reason I usualy visit the site.

[blackdove]

btw,please stay on the topic.

[Cleft]

because they have officialy been set "free".

"officialy" is the keyword. Anyone can claim to have "freed" a demon and as it happens anyone can be a "Satanic High Priest" as well... within reason. I think to be honest that this seems quite unlikely, also some of it seems weirdly vague. Several rituals involved in summoning demons tend to place permanent restraints on the demons such as binding them even after they have been consulted. I assume that what they mean by "free" is that they have made it so that they are no longer bound solely to these consultations, rather than that they have been "let loose on Earth".

So even if this happens to be true I'd be inclined to believe that it isnt a major problem, though things could get messy for some novice summoners until the restraints are re-implemented.

[Nahemah]

The link dosen't go anywhere,403 error on my PC.

JOS is a cult,with strong Neo Nazi sympathies,yuck is all I can think to say on it,without swearing.

[akimbomoss]

I find the Neo Nazis have a kind of "hook" to get you interested in their stuff. At one point they break their jaw and everyone goes home.

[Stukov]

I wonder who would have freed them

[Nahemah]

The all powerful JOS mages did of course Stukov,lol.

I 'll see if I can find the article/reference the OP posted ,on the JOS site.It would help to have a working link to it,I think,so we can read for ourselves.Does the page come up fo anyone else? I thought it might be my 'shite' filter stopping me from seeing it,lololol....that or my anti virus/firewall thingy.

@ blackdove,be wary of what you read on the JOS website,it is not a reputable group and evidence can be shown to back what I say,if you need it.

There are folk who do not like the 'Traditional Abrahamic' style of summoning/evocation.There are practioners who use other methods to call on the Spirits of Goetia and The Solomonic Keys,that is true.
I am out of my depth discussing that much further though,as I do not work within a Ceremonial paradigm myself and my knowledge is very lacking,though I 've discused some of this with others who have greater understanding,previously.

I do not give much creedence to the JOS claim,personally,as they tend to be all smoke and mirrors,a triumph of Goth style over substance,lol. [All that red and black,my two fave colours but over used on that site,very overused,my eyes,they burn!....]

on the other hand,it provides many meditations and "satanic" witchcraft,but when reading through it,I found that most of it really didnt have anything to do with satan,but rather with ones own mind and energy manipulation.which is the main reason I usualy visit the site.

This is good to know,but you can find this information in other more reputable places too. [thumbup]

Off to look for link.Back soon.

[Nahemah]

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... LATRY.html

Is this it?

[blackdove]

YES!thats it!
are their claims true?I mean,it obiously might not,but still,its never bad to be extra sure.the reason I still ask is because the five times Ive performed the ars goetia,it never really worked the way it was supposed to have.only twice did I feel the presence,and the second time i saw the demon,but It didnt appear inside the triangle.

is it possible that this occured because they have actually been freed?has anyone recently been succesful in binding a demon?

[blackdove]

@ blackdove,be wary of what you read on the JOS website,it is not a reputable group and evidence can be shown to back what I say,if you need it.




@nahemah-please do so.

[hobotubbie]

Ye don't let your ritualistic performance get annoyed by the attention whores around JOS .. that site is full of fiction made up info where, the probability that they hit on a "demon" description is so thin than of you to win the lottery.

Many deceivers around there they know it's easy to get the attention of a few looking for something, freed 100 demons including the ones enlisted at goetia .. really dellusional stuff won't even get in detail about this why it's not true.

Just have a look at JOS stuff and make your own opinion about it :x

[Nahemah]

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_a ... 052006.htm
Ok,here we go,deep breath: Maxine Deitrich,an affectation used by Andrea Herrington,is the owner of the JOS site.Her husband,Cliff Herrington is described in the above link,read and learn.

More soonish.

Hardly trendsetting,they are around 15 years behind David Myatt,lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt

[Stukov]

The all powerful JOS mages did of course Stukov,lol.

I 'll see if I can find the article/reference the OP posted ,on the JOS site.It would help to have a working link to it,I think,so we can read for ourselves.Does the page come up fo anyone else? I thought it might be my 'shite' filter stopping me from seeing it,lololol....that or my anti virus/firewall thingy.

@ blackdove,be wary of what you read on the JOS website,it is not a reputable group and evidence can be shown to back what I say,if you need it.

There are folk who do not like the 'Traditional Abrahamic' style of summoning/evocation.There are practioners who use other methods to call on the Spirits of Goetia and The Solomonic Keys,that is true.
I am out of my depth discussing that much further though,as I do not work within a Ceremonial paradigm myself and my knowledge is very lacking,though I 've discused some of this with others who have greater understanding,previously.

I do not give much creedence to the JOS claim,personally,as they tend to be all smoke and mirrors,a triumph of Goth style over substance,lol. [All that red and black,my two fave colours but over used on that site,very overused,my eyes,they burn!....]

on the other hand,it provides many meditations and "satanic" witchcraft,but when reading through it,I found that most of it really didnt have anything to do with satan,but rather with ones own mind and energy manipulation.which is the main reason I usualy visit the site.

This is good to know,but you can find this information in other more reputable places too. [thumbup]

Off to look for link.Back soon.

Well, I can't say that JOS did or didn't assist with this, I have no idea who they are or what they claim to have done. But I can say it was something that was going on for a while, however I hadn't think it was completed yet, so apparently ahead of schedule. Also, they aren't demons, their just spirits. I suppose I rather skimmed through what some of what has been said here (headache), but there are many "freedom fighters" that have been working toward this sort of idea (and not just for the elder spirits around this realm).

[blackdove]

I should've known this.

[hobotubbie]

So what your saying is that JOS or someone else are/is trying to perform such a thing at the moment and might not be completed yet?

Maybe i missed your line of thinking since your written tends to be a bit enigmatic

[blackdove]

what i mean is I should'v known about the dummass running the JOS website.

[blackdove]

OMG.hahahaha!!! [lol] look at this-

http://www.therefinersfire.org/challeng ... etrich.htm

just dont mind all of that christianity things.

[hobotubbie]

I mean stukov.

Anyway blackdove, that is some piece of great comedy you found right there .. so funny.

[hobotubbie]

I remember Father Satan standing by my bed in March 2003 and saying to me and this is an exact quote: "The United States will win the war, but they will wish they hadn't; this will open up a can of worms."

This is so good.. i'll order a father satan for me aswell to drink a tea and talk about the weather.

[Stukov]

So what your saying is that JOS or someone else are/is trying to perform such a thing at the moment and might not be completed yet?

Maybe i missed your line of thinking since your written tends to be a bit enigmatic

My apologies, did not mean to be purposely coy for those who wanted to know. What I was saying there was a goal held by many to take down the construct that enslaves just about everyone (entities from many realms, including humans). What I meant was that I don't know if JOS was assisting with that or not. I didn't realize that one of the realms would be "free" before the final crash down (but I suppose I have been busy and just might have not noticed). That, or its just that strange thing that time that is wonky in either planes of existence. It could be that those there are pretty strong and simply got their walls down earlier than the others. I guess if you are still confused, just understand the veil is coming down. Anything else, just ask. I got a headache so I tried to explain but my mind is sort mushy at the moment.

[Stukov]

I remember Father Satan standing by my bed in March 2003 and saying to me and this is an exact quote: "The United States will win the war, but they will wish they hadn't; this will open up a can of worms."

This is so good.. i'll order a father satan for me aswell to drink a tea and talk about the weather.

Father Satan?

[hobotubbie]

That was just a passage from the conversation between maxine from JOS and some person that blackdove posted.

Well i understand now .. doesn't make much sense to me tho.. why people wanna do such a thing.
Some people might call it "enslaved" for me .. it's just the natural order of things.. black is black blue is blue and so on.. typical behaviour from the human being to try to change what is in the right order.
And what will happen if someone succeed.. which is not easy and some people out there that think they are the brightest star?
Answer is .. if something like that happened nothing good would come from that.. at all.

I mean i find it so funny .. when someone is under attack by something and he comes crying all i have to say is .. human beings worship them.. chant for them praise their names and won't leave them alone and they are the bad ones?

No aspirin for the headhace? :<

[Stukov]

That was just a passage from the conversation between maxine from JOS and some person that blackdove posted.

Well i understand now .. doesn't make much sense to me tho.. why people wanna do such a thing.
Some people might call it "enslaved" for me .. it's just the natural order of things.. black is black blue is blue and so on.. typical behaviour from the human being to try to change what is in the right order.
And what will happen if someone succeed.. which is not easy and some people out there that think they are the brightest star?
Answer is .. if something like that happened nothing good would come from that.. at all.

I mean i find it so funny .. when someone is under attack by something and he comes crying all i have to say is .. human beings worship them.. chant for them praise their names and won't leave them alone and they are the bad ones?

No aspirin for the headhace? :<

It isn't about human's doing anything. Not everyone that is human in this world is just a human. There is a reason for doing this and while the "system" must be brought down to ensure free will, the reason it was pushed for in the first place was because it gave each realm a fighting chance for what is going to to come. It is much easier for another force to divide and conquer if the realms are already divided. Plus, been there, seen that. Keeping things as is ends very badly for everyone.

[hobotubbie]

Yes i'm aware that some human beings might not be only humans.. i'm aware aswell that 99% of the ones who think they are more than humans are just dellusional people who really want to be different.

I can assure you aswell .. not all the energies from other planes would like that to happen .. and i honestly believe it would not be good.. but what do i know :\

So you have inside info of whats to come? many speculate about it many are almost sure.. but as anyone seen it already? Hum..

[Stukov]

Yes i'm aware that some human beings might not be only humans.. i'm aware aswell that 99% of the ones who think they are more than humans are just dellusional people who really want to be different.

I can assure you aswell .. not all the energies from other planes would like that to happen .. and i honestly believe it would not be good.. but what do i know :\

So you have inside info of whats to come? many speculate about it many are almost sure.. but as anyone seen it already? Hum..

There are 7 billion people in the world, is every one of them something else? No, lots of people are just people. Some of them are new born humans, some maybe some sort of animal spirit, some past humans, some aliens, some various forms of other spirits...and it isn't about wanting to be different or being delusional. I know the kind of people you are talking about, but to say that they represent 99% of those sort of people out there, is quite an over generalization. In any case, it doesn't matter really who you "were", as you are who you are in this very moment. Knowing your past shouldn't change you are or chose to be. It simply is your past like any other, with experiences that you can draw upon to make wiser decisions.