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Very interesting, Case! I'll keep that info in mind.

Last night, I lit clove incense to give strength to my ritual, sat in my bed and slowly drew out a sigil for Akatosh. I took the sigil, placed it on a silver plate that I use for focusing and projecting will, set the plate on my headboard above my head and went to sleep.
When I became lucid in my dream, I decided to get really grounded into my reptilian/draconian form and began calling the name of Akatosh. I met three small dragons, and two large ones (one black, one white). They spoke little, but the larger dragons hinted that many of the gods have dual-natures that should be taken into account when calling them. In my mind, an altered version of my sigil appeared that suggested this duality, and then I woke.

So, no direct contact for me, yet, but I'm going to try again tonight with the modified sigil.

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Case wrote:Last night I decided to attempt to invoke Nocturnal. I did this through deep meditation on the Oht rune and on what I knew about Nocturnal, forming the rune into a gateway into the night sky through a window whilst lying in a pitch black room on a black sheet, dressed entirely in black surrounded by unlit black candles.

After about two hours meditation, I put myself into the death posture for gnosis, staying in the standing version for about twenty minutes until it became impossible for me to hold the position any longer. At this point I returned to the meditative position I had originally held for the first hour, but this time the Oht rune was much stronger in my mind and was joined by a swirling vortex of pure nothingness.

It was at this point that I heard a voice in my mind instructing me to take a ritual drum and to go outside, so I took one of my drums and headed outside into my garden, which is secluded and cut off entirely from the street. There I sat and chanted random phrases that seemed to flow into my mind, drummed softly on the drum, and meditated on the Oht rune and on Nocturnal.

After about half an hour a very black cat came out of the underbrush and sat in front of me. I heard the voice in my mind say 'I am Noctural, why do you call me? Why do you wish to make contact with me and my brethren?'. I explained the nature of our mission, all about this internet forum, and how we were attempting to contact and work with each of the Daedric Princes, to which the cat cocked its head and the voice laughed. I asked what the sigil of Nocturnal was, and how I could contact Her in the future, to which she showed me a green cats eye on a field of pure blackness. She is contacted through the sound of drumming heard through the ears of cats, and manifests as a cat on this plane - the cats are her children and epitomise the actions of her followers - footpads, thieves, middle men, traders in information, fences of stolen property, and those who operate outside the law. If you want to get a message to Nocturnal, speak it to a cat and she will hear it.

I then closed the conversation and ritual by petting the cat for a while, which she enjoyed immensely, and went back inside. I get the distinct feeling that Nocturnal is amicable and friendly to our cause, but not to be taken lightly - she more seemed bemused by what we were attempting to do, though I wouldnt be calling on her too often or relying on her unless we were planning on doing something nefarious and within the scope of her dominion.
Amazing work, Case! Thank you for dedicating so many hours in our work! Well done. I am very well pleased with your results, and I find it interesting that Nocturnal manifested as a cat to you, as she is often depicted as a raven or a nightingale in TES lore, but those birds may actually be Her prey... Very interesting indeed.
reptilian wrote:When I became lucid in my dream, I decided to get really grounded into my reptilian/draconian form and began calling the name of Akatosh. I met three small dragons, and two large ones (one black, one white). They spoke little, but the larger dragons hinted that many of the gods have dual-natures that should be taken into account when calling them. In my mind, an altered version of my sigil appeared that suggested this duality, and then I woke.
Interesting result, reptilian! Some speculate that Alduin the World-Eater (main antogonist in TES V:Skyrim, as you know), who is the first-born of Akatosh, may in fact be the more sinister, dark nature of his father Akatosh. Here is a the complete text from the in-game (from TES V) book entitled "The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy":
As High Priest of the Akatosh Chantry, I have dedicated my life to the service of the Great Dragon. He who was first at the Beginning. He who is greatest and most powerful of all the Divines. He who is the very embodiment of infinity.

I am, quite obviously, a man of deep and unwavering faith. But not blind faith, for I am also a man of scholarly endeavors, and have always valued education and the pursuit of truth, in all its forms. And so, I have had the honor and privilege of making it my life's work to discover the truth about Akatosh, in all of our beloved Divine's incarnations.

Throughout the civilized world (and I refer not only to the Empire, but to every nation on great Nirn that has embraced the virtues of learning and letters), the Great Dragon is worshipped. Usually, the highest of Divines is referred to as Akatosh. But what some may not be aware of is that he is occasionally referred to by two other names as well.

The Aldmer refer to Akatosh as Auri-El. The Nords call him Alduin. These names come up repeatedly in certain ancient texts, and in each one, it is clear that the deity in question is none other than he whom we call Akatosh.
Yet there are those who believe, even in this enlightened age, that this is not so. That the regional interpretations of Akatosh are not interpretations of Akatosh at all. Rather, they are references to altogether different deities, deities who may or may not share the same aspects or be the Great Dragon at all.

Many Altmer of Summerset Isle worship Auri-El, who is the soul of Anui-El, who in turn is the soul of Anu the Everything. But if you ask the high elves themselves (as I did, when I traveled to Summerset Isle to continue my research), the majority will concede that Auri-El is but Akatosh with a different name, colored by their own cultural beliefs.

So maybe it comes as no surprise that the real theological dissention lies in Skyrim, among the Nord people - renowned as much for their stubbornness as they are their hardiness and prowess on the fields of valor. When I journeyed to the stark white province, I was surprised to find a people whose views on Akatosh are almost diametrically opposed to those of the Altmer. The majority of Nord people seem to believe that their Alduin of legend is not Akatosh, but another deity entirely. A great dragon, yes, but not the Great Dragon.

Determined to get to the heart of this matter, I consulted with several Nords, chief among them an old and respected clan chief by the name of Bjorn Much-Bloodied. And what surprised me most about those I talked to was not that they believed in Alduin instead of Akatosh, but that they recognized Alduin in addition to Akatosh. In fact, most children of Skyrim seem to view Akatosh in much the same way I do - he is, in fact, the Great Dragon. First among the Divines, perseverance personified and, more than anything, a force of supreme good in the world.

Alduin, they claim, is something altogether different.

Whether or not he is actually a deity remains in question, but the Alduin of Nord folklore is in fact a dragon, but one so ancient, and so powerful, he was dubbed the "World Eater," and some accounts even have him devouring the souls of the dead to maintain his own power. Other stories revolve around Alduin acting as some sort of dragon king, uniting the other dragons in a war against mankind, until he was eventually defeated at the hands of one or more brave heroes.

It is hard to deny that such legends are compelling. But as both High Priest and scholar, I am forced to ask that most important of questions - where is the evidence?

The Nords of Skyrim place a high value on their oral traditions, but such is the core of their unreliability. A rumor passed around the Wayrest market square can change so dramatically in the course of a few simple hours, that by the end of the day, one might believe half the city's residents were involved in any number of scandalous activities. How then is an educated, enlightened person possibly supposed to believe a legend that has been passed down, by word of mouth only, for hundreds, or even thousands of years?

The answer to such a question is simple - he cannot.

And so, it is my conclusion that the Alduin of Nord legend is in fact mighty Akatosh, whose story grew twisted and deformed through centuries of retelling and embellishment. Through no real fault of their own, the primitive peoples of Skyrim failed to understand the goodness and greatness of the Great Dragon, and it was this lack of understanding that formed the basis of what became, ironically, their most impressive creative achievement - "Alduin," the World Eater, phantom of bedtime stories and justification for ancient (if imagined deeds).
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Madavascus wrote:
Amazing work, Case! Thank you for dedicating so many hours in our work! Well done. I am very well pleased with your results, and I find it interesting that Nocturnal manifested as a cat to you, as she is often depicted as a raven or a nightingale in TES lore, but those birds may actually be Her prey... Very interesting indeed.
It could just be that cats are prevalent in this part of the world and ravens and nightingales are not. Previous work with demonic godforms has suggested that they tend to manifest differently in New Zealand than they do in North America due to the radically different fauna, though Nocturnal distinctly showed me the cats eye on the black background for her sigil - maybe its just a transferal between the two worlds? Maybe she has just chosen the feline over the avian forms in this instance?

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Good to know, Madavascus! The dragons I spoke with did seem to be suggesting that Akatosh had an aspect as "devourer", a force of both creation and destruction.
And since I know nothing about Skyrim, I'm quite proud of that bit of gnosis. XD

I'll be trying to contact the Great Dragon again tonight, this time through a waking ritual.

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Anyone know if this project is still going ahead? Id be quite sad if its died a natural death, as I was quite enjoying it. I havent seen Madavascus around for a while either - hopefully he hasnt abandoned this and gone off to do other things, because this is a fantastic study of a fantasy paradigm, and one I was just getting stuck into... :(

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I'm definitely still working on this, but I haven't had anything significant to post as my magical practice is a bit slowed down by college, atm. I've done about a dozen alchemical ingredients, but haven't attempted contacting Akatosh again yet.

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Fellow Occultists,

First, I would like to apologize for not being responsive to this working group in the past months.

The reason why I have not been responsive, interestingly enough, is connected to the subject matter of this working group.

As a consequence of the Hermaeus Mora summoning, I felt a very potent loss of memory, interest and even knowledge completely vanished from my mind within the first 48 hours after the summoning. I can report that I have gained a ravenous hunger for knowledge (any type of knowledge - this led me to decide to return to university), but lost much to this entity from Oblivion. This has led me to believe that working with the Daedra can indeed be a very dangerous affair, especially considering that I did not use adequate protection when summoning Hermaeus Mora.

Anyone willing to continue with occult operations involving Daedric entities would be well advised to use and devise protective measures so as to counter-act the nefarious influence of trickster Daedra.
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Did anyone here ever visit ones of the "planes of oblivion"?
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It's cool to see people working on creating a paradigm based in the elder scrolls mythos, I had actually thought about working with some of these beings when I was more into chaos magic. Besides the divines and daedric princes, there are also the gods of the tribunal worshiped on morrowind, I can't remember their names at the moment since I haven't played through that game in awhile but I might have to do some digging and add to this at some point.

Then there's the way of the voice in skyrim, the dragon shouts are like words of power so maybe they'd be a viable system for invoking specific energies or putting together barbarous incantations.

And then many of the different classes of daedra could be evoked like demons or djinn. the atronachs are like elementals so perhaps they could be used to work with the specific elements, like when workin with the element of fire you could call on or "create" a flame atronach. Many of the other creatures could also be looked at in similar ways to this as well.

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Ramscha wrote:Did anyone here ever visit ones of the "planes of oblivion"?
I was just thinking that as that's all I did in oblivion was never fast travel and jump thought portals. It would be interesting, but I'm unsure I'd want to without learning some offensive and defensive magicks. If a real version of oblivion exist it may be just as dangerous as the game.

I enjoyed this thred.

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