Dark form of yoga?

[Desecrated]

This is just for research and not for practice.

Is there any black magic yoga or dark path of yoga?

[Ramscha]

Hmm, I suppose everything could be seen to have some sort of "darker aspect" (though I hesitate to call everything dark just because ist goes astray of the more blinky normal stuff...).

I am not an expert on yoga but, well, on the first aspect, yoga used for "dark things" could be considered dark yoga... probably.
How about the Aghori, ever heard of them? A sect of human flesh eating and alcoholic hindu monks. Might be something like that you were looking for?

Ramscha

[Desecrated]

The aghori are one option. They are definitely extreme, but in the end they are doing it for a good purpose, they think that is the way to enlightenment.

You have things like The Atharvaveda, Bhagavata Purana and Vajrayana that contains darker elements but it's still pretty hippie.

I was thinking somewhere along yoga to hurt other people. yoga to gain mindcontrol over others. Like the dark side of siddhi.

[the_spiral]

The aghori are one option. They are definitely extreme, but in the end they are doing it for a good purpose, they think that is the way to enlightenment.

You have things like The Atharvaveda, Bhagavata Purana and Vajrayana that contains darker elements but it's still pretty hippie.

I was thinking somewhere along yoga to hurt other people. yoga to gain mindcontrol over others. Like the dark side of siddhi.

Any yogi who's ascended to sattvapati can exercise siddhi for harmful purposes. It's just that most of them don't because (among other reasons) the karmic repercussions are severe and long-lasting. Also most would feel it's a waste of time. Many yogis believe the siddhis themselves are a test to judge whether you are ready to enter higher astral levels, and using them harmfully would put you back at "square one" karmically speaking. And if you just want to hurt people with magic there are far easier and more efficient paths than yoga.

If you're looking for yoga that aligns with LHP practice, Aghori and some of the more extreme Vamacara/Tantra sects more or less fit the bill. But they rarely publicize their work for outsiders or casual seekers. Mainstream Hinduism has often taken a fundamentalist approach toward "black magic" (which many Hindus associate with all forms of tantra), so they have good reasons for maintaining absolute secrecy.

On another note, I've noticed you asking about many different systems and wanting to know about the "darkest" part of each system. Is there an over arching reason for this? I'm not trying to pry and you don't have to answer, just curious [happy2]

[Clockwork Ghost]

You could always try 'Cthulhu Yoga'... [grin]

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/cthu ... taying_fit

[Desecrated]

On another note, I've noticed you asking about many different systems and wanting to know about the "darkest" part of each system. Is there an over arching reason for this? I'm not trying to pry and you don't have to answer, just curious [happy2]

Part of my interest in the occult comes from the fact that I want to know:

A) What is out there?
B) What is the limitation of the human imagination.

I've always done this. I always want to see what is on the other side, and what is behind that, and what's behind that.
Who created god, and who crated the one that created that creator....

How complex of a system can the human mind imagine. How many layers can we add to the same story before we start repeating ourself.
What the hell is at the end of the rabbit hole and how deep does it go. And what comes after that end.

[Desecrated]

You could always try 'Cthulhu Yoga'... [grin]

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/cthu ... taying_fit

Go sit in the corner [gz]

[manonthepath]

Sure! It's called porn. It causes one to focus on materialistic physical and mental activity that damages higher spirit. The demeaning of individual human dignity (for lack of a better description) causes the spirit to be unsettled and to lose cohesion. Masturbation leads to depletion of vital essence and ultimately to pathogenic activity. This is truly the opposite of yoga.

[Desecrated]

Sure! It's called porn. It causes one to focus on materialistic physical and mental activity that damages higher spirit. The demeaning of individual human dignity (for lack of a better description) causes the spirit to be unsettled and to lose cohesion. Masturbation leads to depletion of vital essence and ultimately to pathogenic activity. This is truly the opposite of yoga.

Interesting, I'll look into it.

[Procel]

Indian Fakirs who do parlor magic style tricks to squeeze money out of the tourists and to get laid are generally thought of (by the yogis who take themselves maybe too seriously) as kind of charlatans and in a sense "black" side of yoga. There have been some pretty dark sects of yogis throughout Indian history, but it's debatable what of their legacy is left and how valid it is. The Thugee were really wiped out by the English during the colonial era for being pretty sinister yogis.

It's an interesting question and truly worth greater research and consideration. You may have cast me down another rabbit hole of obscure reading. I hope your happy with yourself.

[Desecrated]

Indian Fakirs who do parlor magic style tricks to squeeze money out of the tourists and to get laid are generally thought of (by the yogis who take themselves maybe too seriously) as kind of charlatans and in a sense "black" side of yoga. There have been some pretty dark sects of yogis throughout Indian history, but it's debatable what of their legacy is left and how valid it is. The Thugee were really wiped out by the English during the colonial era for being pretty sinister yogis.

It's an interesting question and truly worth greater research and consideration. You may have cast me down another rabbit hole of obscure reading. I hope your happy with yourself.

This one is a great little introduction to all of the darker side of hinduism:
It has both shaktism, thugs, aghori and other schools that used human sacrifice and such.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Saktas-Introd ... 0486298663

[TheAwakenedHeart]

On another note, I've noticed you asking about many different systems and wanting to know about the "darkest" part of each system. Is there an over arching reason for this? I'm not trying to pry and you don't have to answer, just curious [happy2]

Part of my interest in the occult comes from the fact that I want to know:

A) What is out there?
B) What is the limitation of the human imagination.

I've always done this. I always want to see what is on the other side, and what is behind that, and what's behind that.
Who created god, and who crated the one that created that creator....

How complex of a system can the human mind imagine. How many layers can we add to the same story before we start repeating ourself.
What the hell is at the end of the rabbit hole and how deep does it go. And what comes after that end.

The darkest and most depraved thing you can imagine, a human has probably done it. What you seem to be asking is basically whether they have founded systems of magick based upon such depraved methods. I admittedly do not know much about black magic, but the one form of black magic (or black psi?) that I do know pertains to dark vampyres. Most vampyres, sanguine or psychic, only take vitae from those who give permission, or donors. However, a dark vampyre would take without permission...whether psychically or by taking blood. In my opinion, purposely draining the energy from a non consenting and unaware person, or forcefully taking their blood, is pretty dark. I hope this is all for your hypothetical knowledge and not something you actually plan to start doing...I am not advising you to act like a dark vampyre and start kidnapping people and drinking their blood at all.

I really hope this does not come off as me judging you for your interests - I'm not trying to be hostile at all - but I do wonder, why do you equate dark magick with the complexity and mystery that you seem to want to figure out? If you look at it, darkness is the least complex of all things, because it is completely motivated by one thing alone, and that thing is selfishness. Can you think of a dark act that does not revolve around pleasing oneself? Can you think of a dark act that is selfless in nature? Whether its to satisfy an emotion or impulse or to get attention or to get something you want...darkness is all about selfishness at the expense of others. I liken darkness to black holes: Giant, selfish things that suck in everything around them. I realize that black holes, like darkness, are necessary components of the universe...but I would rather not try to be one, or think that they are more mysterious than other components of the universe.

Perfection is much more complex, because it involves a precise balance of the two. Light and dark. Think of how male and female energies are balanced on our planet, so delicately, like how the sun (positive, light, male) and the moon (negative, dark, female) work together to make life on Earth possible. That is the great mystery to chase, IMHO...not the darkest of the dark alone. As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, not purely in the extremes. I myself have just learned this lesson recently...I was the opposite of you, more light-leaning.

[MAZOHIR]

There is a "dark" yoga. One of the forms involves an inverted position, head touching the floor, arms and legs forming an inverted pentagram with the head down, and saying a certain mantra. Another is taking the shape of the infernal Dragon, again with using both mudras and mantras particulr for the form.

[Bluebeard]

Yoga paths are meant for enlightenment. Not "darkness". If you mean left hand, materialistic and/or hedonistic, then most probably, you are looking for Tantra offshoots or the very rare "Kaula Yoga". The latter being too difficult to spot. Thanks to the nature of its "practices"...