Spells of safety in situations of potential violence

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I'll pose this question generally:

Person A has a situation in his or her extended family, perhaps a broad network of 2nd and 3rd cousins that's become particularly disturbing. A has a cousin, B, who was stabbed to death by her son. His father, C, is still in jail, a career criminal, has a natural gift for intimidation, a particularly violent past, and B's son (lets call him D) has been arrested by the authorities however people are deeply afraid that if anyone testifies in court against D that C will either send out kites from prison to get them killed or, further, when and if he gets out of jail himself (so many of the charged pressed against him had been dropped because people feared him as much) that he might go out on a John Muhammad/DC Sniper type of run.

In that kind of scenario, for what precious little I know about the universe, I tend to infer two things:
1) The innocent absolutely need to be protected
2) There are people in this network of relatives with karmic ties to these men that they, C, D, nor I could ever begin to understand.

The question I have is this - are there damage prevention wards, shields of protection that can be set up for those in the family who have no karma with the situation and, additionally, can partial veils of protection be put up for those with karma related to the situation in such a manner that they're protected from any retribution that surpasses their karma?

I think in a universe where cause and effect are considered inviolate and where people who've dealt with demons on a professional and exorcistic basis often find them to be pedantic beings obsessed with contracts of punishment - what I'm investigating is reasonable and completely above board. Essentially we live in a world where people are already cynical enough, doubtful enough, scared enough that they don't need more reasons to be so, they don't need to see evil just going to town dominating good in more No Country For Old Men type scenarios.

My first thought was Celestial Sanctum - to pray for such an injunction and similarly for these men perhaps, to whatever extent it's feasible under cosmic law, to identify critical page faults in their faith in violence, particularly page fault that appeal to their most base level of economic understanding, to which point their faith in violence and it's efficacy can be shaken or diminished a little.

Any other suggestions on what might be helpful for occult strings to be pulled in above-board manners? Prayer? Ancestral contacts (never done it before but open to it)?

[Horny Goat]

Curse both bastards to die in jail or be left severely disabled so they can't hurt no one else - ie. other prisoners do them over or even just a nice little accident sch as a fall down stairs. But, and here's the thing, don't do this too them out of anger or hatred but out of compassion, for them. Once dead/disabled they won't be able to do anything bad no more. Then, work that 'Jesus' should come into their hearts and turn their lives around, this saving them. Jesus does this for violent crims. They'll be full of love and compassion and gentleness towards others..

Don't fuck yourself over to stop a bastard like this though.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Don't fuck yourself over to stop a bastard like this though.

Both as an esotericist and a seasoned martial artist I wouldn't even think of it.

One fatal weakness most people have, really two, if having to go toe to toe with people like this is dignity and concern for legal consequence. They'll shoot you in the back, stab you in the back, or if hand to hand will not stop until your dead - that's a situation where considering one's legal right to activity will simply make one another murder victim. Much better to pray for the causal agencies of the universe to note the imbalance and encumber it more quickly and at the human level enable law enforcement's work as much as possible.

[magari]

The easiest thing to do is remove the innocent from the situation.

If thats not possible do everything you can to not be a soft target.

Praying might help too, along with spellcasting.

[Kami]

Curse both bastards to die in jail or be left severely disabled so they can't hurt no one else - ie. other prisoners do them over or even just a nice little accident sch as a fall down stairs. But, and here's the thing, don't do this too them out of anger or hatred but out of compassion, for them. Once dead/disabled they won't be able to do anything bad no more. Then, work that 'Jesus' should come into their hearts and turn their lives around, this saving them. Jesus does this for violent crims. They'll be full of love and compassion and gentleness towards others..

Don't fuck yourself over to stop a bastard like this though.

Although I woull not recommend "cursing" anyone,
Only if the curses or hexes you know about work, then do so with caution.

I thought about giving stage 4 stomach cancer to a person who threatened the lives of my household, but I decided not to because - if it had worked... I would be next, according to karma.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I thought about giving stage 4 stomach cancer to a person who threatened the lives of my household, but I decided not to because - if it had worked... I would be next, according to karma.

This. I might just be biting at the RHP rumor-mill but too many credible magicians have suggested that cursing is tantamount to spitting upwind.

[Kami]

I'll pose this question generally:

Person A has a situation in his or her extended family, perhaps a broad network of 2nd and 3rd cousins that's become particularly disturbing. A has a cousin, B, who was stabbed to death by her son. His father, C, is still in jail, a career criminal, has a natural gift for intimidation, a particularly violent past, and B's son (lets call him D) has been arrested by the authorities however people are deeply afraid that if anyone testifies in court against D that C will either send out kites from prison to get them killed or, further, when and if he gets out of jail himself (so many of the charged pressed against him had been dropped because people feared him as much) that he might go out on a John Muhammad/DC Sniper type of run.

In that kind of scenario, for what precious little I know about the universe, I tend to infer two things:
1) The innocent absolutely need to be protected
2) There are people in this network of relatives with karmic ties to these men that they, C, D, nor I could ever begin to understand.

The question I have is this - are there damage prevention wards, shields of protection that can be set up for those in the family who have no karma with the situation and, additionally, can partial veils of protection be put up for those with karma related to the situation in such a manner that they're protected from any retribution that surpasses their karma?

I think in a universe where cause and effect are considered inviolate and where people who've dealt with demons on a professional and exorcistic basis often find them to be pedantic beings obsessed with contracts of punishment - what I'm investigating is reasonable and completely above board. Essentially we live in a world where people are already cynical enough, doubtful enough, scared enough that they don't need more reasons to be so, they don't need to see evil just going to town dominating good in more No Country For Old Men type scenarios.

My first thought was Celestial Sanctum - to pray for such an injunction and similarly for these men perhaps, to whatever extent it's feasible under cosmic law, to identify critical page faults in their faith in violence, particularly page fault that appeal to their most base level of economic understanding, to which point their faith in violence and it's efficacy can be shaken or diminished a little.

Any other suggestions on what might be helpful for occult strings to be pulled in above-board manners? Prayer? Ancestral contacts (never done it before but open to it)?

You are not alone, I too suffer from family related death threat problems - mostly intimidater problems.

I thought I could cast a weak curse on my cousin to get him to leave the house but nothing changed.

I had cursed him to fall in love with a crazy woman who would always manage to push him to go berserk and then feel bad about it each and every time - til' the point of tremble.

This curse was done under a full moon and with my own sigil.

And charging it was a real poobah, because it required a coherence in my heart/potent feeling or belief such as deep hate for all the shit he put us through.

I just simply desired for him to suffer for his injustices, and then made my sigil.

But it back fired on me, and I will not exain why or how because that's personal.

So I would not recommend cursing.

I don't know what else would work, but keep praying with heart coherence and maybe the universe will speed up the process of keeping you and you loved ones protected. ~

Maybe I should try to use "love" as my heart conference for trying to get rid of malevolent beings.

I wonder what would have happened if I felt love instead of hate to power my sigil to curse him.

Maybe I can't curse with love, maybe that's not possible.

But It would be hard for me to do so because love is not something I get to experience a lot.

And I do not believe he deserves my love,
But what else is there to do but TO show him love.

Maybe someone here can elaborate on some of this.

[RoseRed]

The question I have is this - are there damage prevention wards, shields of protection that can be set up for those in the family

who have no karma with the situation and, additionally, can partial veils of protection be put up for those with karma related to the situation in such a manner that they're protected from any retribution that surpasses their karma?

I don't ascribe to this new Western version of karma. I'm not going there. Those 'veils of protection' would be called shields.

And the answer is yes. There are a lot of things that you can do. That have been done and passed down. Every family is fucked up in their own way. Some are just better at hiding it.

Freeze spells, forget me spells, even honey jar type spells. Unless you're in an all out battle, calm the situation. Rose quartz for transforming the energetic frequencies around and amethyst for untangling frustrating thoughts.

Summonings, evocations, blood magic but I wouldn't recommend any of those to beginners or those with no experience in it.

[Kami]

Dear o.p. I thought that maybe this message could calm your heart a bit like it did mine.

[Napoli]

I have seen some people curse others badly for no good reason and live to happily brag about it. It is not karma per se but lowering one's vibrations with negative workings that leaves you vulnerable for bad things to happen to you. It is like painting a bull's eye on your back and be on your guard 24/7 to ensure that you remain safe. Ethics aside I don't want such a life.

I do believe some people deserve what they dish out to others if they cross the line. But I will ensure that they will get exactly what they deserve, nothing more or nothing less. I also believe that I should look at all the alternative options first- defensive and working on the mundane level. Negative workings are tricky indeed. I have cast a banishing spell legitimately and it partially backfired on me. I still can't figure out why. In addition, one also needs to realise that if one curses someone and comes to regret about it later, there are chances that it will backfire.

[RoseRed]

But I will ensure that they will get exactly what they deserve, nothing more or nothing less.

Who decides what they deserve?

[Napoli]

But I will ensure that they will get exactly what they deserve, nothing more or nothing less.

Who decides what they deserve?

That is a very tough question to answer. Different people have different ideas about morality and what kind of curses should be used in different situations.

Fortunately, I have not come across any situation where I have to cast any such spells. But even if I do I will let the universe decide how the wrongdoers shall be punished. Curses can be tweaked in that manner and in cases of magic being used to harm me reversal is the best idea.

[RoseRed]

That is a very tough question to answer. Different people have different ideas about morality and what kind of curses should be used in different situations.

I don't think malevolent action is always the answer. I used to. (I'm a work in progress)

But I do think that the answer is entirely situationally dependent and at the same time - entirely personal and already decided. The practitioner that chooses to act.

Fortunately, I have not come across any situation where I have to cast any such spells. But even if I do I will let the universe decide how the wrongdoers shall be punished. Curses can be tweaked in that manner

Lucky you. Seriously.

According to the above - you've already judged the other party as being in the wrong and in need of punishment. Just because 'the universe' (I love this phrase and everyone here knows we mean whatever it actually is) decides the severity of the punishment - you still choose to be the conduit of it. That doesn't actually lessen any personal responsibility. I've found that the universe is much harsher than I am. What I would've thought to be diabolical was a cupcake compared to some of the things I've seen. Obviously, this is a personal belief.

It's much simpler to cast a penance malediction than to go through all the above. It only works on people that actually have a conscious so don't waste your time with it if you're dealing with a psychopath or sociopath.

and in cases of magic being used to harm me reversal is the best idea.

Why?


Curses can be tweaked in many fashions [shock2]

[Napoli]

That is a very tough question to answer. Different people have different ideas about morality and what kind of curses should be used in different situations.

I don't think malevolent action is always the answer. I used to. (I'm a work in progress)

But I do think that the answer is entirely situationally dependent and at the same time - entirely personal and already decided. The practitioner that chooses to act.

Fortunately, I have not come across any situation where I have to cast any such spells. But even if I do I will let the universe decide how the wrongdoers shall be punished. Curses can be tweaked in that manner

Lucky you. Seriously.

According to the above - you've already judged the other party as being in the wrong and in need of punishment. Just because 'the universe' (I love this phrase and everyone here knows we mean whatever it actually is) decides the severity of the punishment - you still choose to be the conduit of it. That doesn't actually lessen any personal responsibility. I've found that the universe is much harsher than I am. What I would've thought to be diabolical was a cupcake compared to some of the things I've seen. Obviously, this is a personal belief.

It's much simpler to cast a penance malediction than to go through all the above. It only works on people that actually have a conscious so don't waste your time with it if you're dealing with a psychopath or sociopath.

and in cases of magic being used to harm me reversal is the best idea.

Why?


Curses can be tweaked in many fashions [shock2]

I guess our beliefs does differ. I don't mind being the conduit if someone is hell bent on my total destruction, and if I don't see any way to stop him or her, for example by banishing, binding, etc. I just won't remain a sitting duck. I believe in helping myself rather than to wait. I think I find myself harsher than the universe. From what I have seen happen to people around me doing curses, how the victims are affected and how the wrongdoers ultimately get what they truly deserve if someone takes action I don't see anything wrong with it.

I never said all curses can be tweaked in many fashions. I think I should have written it in a better way that there are curses that can be used as exact payback for what has been sent out. But that doesn't mean I will curse people just on my whims. I only use magic in extreme cases and whenever there is no other options. I don't believe in karma in the traditional sense. As you have mentioned being patient and nice only works with those who have conscience.

[RoseRed]

There seems to be some misunderstandings here.

I guess our beliefs does differ.
Of course they do. I merely shared one of mine.

I don't mind being the conduit if someone is hell bent on my total destruction, and if I don't see any way to stop him or her, for example by banishing, binding, etc.
If the situation calls for it - neither do I. I have. But there are easier ways. I'm a lazy witch. I try not to Work harder than I have to anymore.

Have you ever had someone hell bent on your destruction or is this a conversation of theory and what if?

I just won't remain a sitting duck.
I don't understand why anyone would choose to remain a sitting duck unless they were playing bait.

I believe in helping myself rather than to wait.
Go you!

I think I find myself harsher than the universe. From what I have seen happen to people around me doing curses, how the victims are affected and how the wrongdoers ultimately get what they truly deserve if someone takes action I don't see anything wrong with it.
That's good to know, I guess. I wasn't discussing the morality of cursing. We were discussing techniques, I thought.

I never said all curses can be tweaked in many fashions.
No, I did. [cool2]

I think I should have written it in a better way that there are curses that can be used as exact payback for what has been sent out.
If it's exact retribution - is it still considered a curse?

But that doesn't mean I will curse people just on my whims.
Good to know.

I only use magic in extreme cases and whenever there is no other options.
I live a magical life. To each their own

I don't believe in karma in the traditional sense.

As you have mentioned being patient and nice only works with those who have conscience.
That's not what I said.

Penance Maledictions do not work on those without a conscious.

And diffusing a situation before it becomes explosive isn't only a smart tactical move - it's common sense.

[Napoli]

It may sound weird if I call out dishing out exact retribution cursing, but that's what I thought it is called. Of course mine was a theory. I told before you that I have not come across any situation that requires me to take revenge. And I hope I don't. I am facing some issues in my life that needed me to use a banishing spell but that's about it. My life is also magical Rose Red. It's just that I want to avoid using magic for negative workings as much as possible. And my last line wasn't about Penance Malediction. It referred to people who I think deserve retribution if they have crossed the limit.

I guess we are all work in progress. I do hope that the day comes when I will never be tempted to curse people. I suffered a lot due to certain selfish people in my life. They have made a mess of my life which I am still fixing. Before I started practising magic I used to dream of getting back at them. I am still tempted but I don't want to. It's not worth it. This is not because I am afraid of any potential repercussions but because what is the worth of me being a human if I can't forgive? I know how much I am suffering and for some reason I don't want to see them in my shoes, even though they are the reason behind all of this.

[RoseRed]

I hope so, too.

That's called Compassion and it is a beautiful trait to have.