Transtemporal Physics

[Count Zero]

contrivance

kənˈtrʌɪv(ə)ns/

noun

1.
the use of skill to create or bring about something, especially with a consequent effect of artificiality.
"the requirements of the system, by happy chance and some contrivance, can be summed up in an acronym"
synonyms: scheme, stratagem, tactic, manoeuvre, move, course/line of action, plan, ploy, gambit, device, wile; More

2.
a device, especially in literary or artistic composition, which gives a sense of artificiality.
"the often tiresome contrivances of historical fiction"

Let me introduce myself then - university degree in linguistics, teacher of the same same subject. I don't think you really understand what contrivance means, seeing as you just said something both was and wasn't contrived in the same sentence.To claim that a second is not a contrived device for measuring time is to say that the measurement device we use that we call time is not something we ever developed, which is also incorrect.

derisive

dɪˈrʌɪsɪv,

adjective

expressing contempt or ridicule.
"he gave a harsh, derisive laugh"

synonyms: mocking, ridiculing, jeering, scoffing, jibing, pillorying, teasing, derisory, snide

The only part of my comment that was derisive was the one stating that the OP had pulled it out of their ass. I used such language as I am continually amazed at how occult based forums attract people who believe in complete and utter bullshit, and then use an argument that reality is entirely subjective in order to push those bullshit theories and beliefs.

derive

dɪˈrʌɪv

verb

past tense: derived; past participle: derived
obtain something from (a specified source).
"they derived great comfort from this assurance"

synonyms: obtain, get, take, gain, acquire, procure, extract, attain, glean
"he hated the work, only deriving consolation from his reading of poetry"

base a concept on an extension or modification of (another concept).

"some maintain that he derived the idea of civil disobedience from Thoreau"
(of a word) have (a specified word, usually of another language) as a root or origin.
"the word ‘punch’ derives from the Hindustani ‘pancha’"
synonyms: originate in, have its origins in, have as a source, arise in

For something to have been derived it has to have been received or obtained from another source. Again, this is not applicable when it involves man made structures such as the measurement devices we use to judge the passage of time, which is why our theories on the subject are still developing. If 'time' had been derived from another source then it would have been done so complete.

As for the snide comments concerning everyone here being as stupid as one another and you stepping in like some white knight avenger to bring us all to the truth, that would suggest that you believe in a universal truth, the notion that we are all wrong and unenlightened and you are not, because you're a geneticist and engineer. That's really great - I celebrate your ability in those two fields, and hope you can shed light on other things that have no relevance to either of your chosen specialities.

As for it being against forum rules to question people and call them out on their half-baked theories, and then make offensive and abusive allusions regarding those self-same people, that makes me wonder if you may be a sock account for a banned member, or simply a troll wanting to cause pointless and unnecessary arguments. Quite frankly I don't care either way - I expect you will come back with some abusive retort designed to drag this yet further into an argument, so I'll simply say no more - I've made my point, I've provided proof that the word I used was used in the way I intended, and if you now want to abusively argue semantics then please feel free to do so.

[Rayn]

To claim that a second is not a contrived device for measuring time is to say that the measurement device we use that we call time is not something we ever developed, which is also incorrect.

A second is not a contrived device to measure time, for when one has an angle, one says something has degrees. For example, a circle has 360 degrees. Degrees can further be divided into what are called minutes that are 1/60 of a degree. That degree can further be divided into 1/60 of a minute. That is called a second. In other words, a second is a geometric property of a vector(more precisely its rays) where the base 60 system can be proven deductively in that, again, a circle has 360 degrees. A second can be derived from a secant function, mind you. In other words, the ability to utilize trigonomic functions to model periodic functions has nothing to intrinsically do with a measurement of time. This is not a semantic issue; rather, it is a theoretical issue. Semantics is only relevant in such a conversation if it states necessary and sufficient conditions in such a way that there is a theorem. That is where your mathematical theory comes in, and mathematical theory pretty much says that a base 60 system that encompasses seconds and minutes is derived from circles and triangles, and we did not develop circles or triangles. See, circles have 2pi radians where a radian is 57 degrees which is then broken down into your 60 system. It kind of gets important with trig functions and proofs and such. The point is that they are mathematically derived.

derive

dɪˈrʌɪv

verb

past tense: derived; past participle: derived
obtain something from (a specified source).
"they derived great comfort from this assurance"

synonyms: obtain, get, take, gain, acquire, procure, extract, attain, glean
"he hated the work, only deriving consolation from his reading of poetry"

base a concept on an extension or modification of (another concept).

"some maintain that he derived the idea of civil disobedience from Thoreau"
(of a word) have (a specified word, usually of another language) as a root or origin.
"the word ‘punch’ derives from the Hindustani ‘pancha’"
synonyms: originate in, have its origins in, have as a source, arise in

That makes for an intrinsically invalid counter-argument. Theoretical definitions are syllogisms. A requirement of a syllogism is that the lexical usage of that definition does not change for that argument, otherwise, a logical consensus cannot be reached. As a person who introduced the term derived, I am using it a mathematical lexical sense. In other words, this is the lexical usage of the word derived as used in this argument. You could argue the same thing for how you used second; however, the usage of second in terms of time is an emergent property of the geometry of circles. Theories involving time, for example, model it as fundamentally emerging from a topology and geometry. You can't really have an accurate discussion about time, for example, without involving topological sets from which you end up with derived sets and such. In alluding to Special Relativity, for example, you are alluding a theory and theoretical frameworks about time rely on what I said where the mathematics are not contrived. They are derivations. You thus cannot discus a lexical usage of time per Physics without this.

A derivation is a sequence of steps, logical or computational, from one result to another. The word derivation comes from the word "derive."

"Derivation" can also refer to a particular type of operator used to define a derivation algebra on a ring or algebra. In particular, let A be a Banach algebra and X be a Banach A-bimodule. Any element of

Derivation

A second can be obtained from a degree and a degree obtained from a radian via various mathematical operations of algebraic vectors; therefore, a second is a derived property of a circle and a triangle.

[corvidus]

Time isn't an illusion, it's an observation.

All observable nature has a chance to be interpreted incorrectly by the mind, based on incorrect understanding. So you'll have to try a little harder to convince me that time isn't an illusion.

Incorrect perceptions are quite common in the field of science, based on the history of science proving science wrong.

[Nahemah]

Interestingly timed resurrection for this topic.

I was sure I'd locked this previously. Strange.

This is now remedied with the proviso that if any more of this OP's topics should suddenly pop up again, similar restrictions will also apply.

A timely note also:

temporal1
ˈtɛmp(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
1.
relating to worldly as opposed to spiritual affairs; secular.
"the Church did not imitate the secular rulers who thought only of temporal gain"
synonyms: secular, non-spiritual, worldly, profane, material, mundane, earthly, terrestrial; More
2.
relating to time.
"the spatial and temporal dimensions of human interference in complex ecosystems"
synonyms: of time, time-related
"spatial and temporal boundaries"

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/temporal

Secular use of the term temporal has been commonplace for centuries in the English language. Words can be taken in multiple contexts and applied without them also. Careful application is advisable.

Any member wishing to engage in reasonable discussion regarding time, physics or spatial dimensions/ derived and contrived understandings of measurement and so on, should begin a new topic.