"Magic words" using Pavlov's dog effect
"Magic words" using Pavlov's dog effect
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Before all, let me explain what is Pavlov's dog effect for those who do not know. Essentially, pavlov was a scientist studying instrumental learning- he observed that every time the lab dog would see food, it would start secreting saliva.Then, every time the dog was fed, Pavlov would ring a bell. Over time, the dog would associate the bell with food and would secrete saliva whenever it was rung, even with no food around.
So how do you use this in magick? Well I've been working on an experiment of sorts. Entering a specific state or doing a specific action repeteadely while chanting a "magic word"- some archaic, unused word, so that when I say that word, I enter that state.
So far I have been succesful. Whenever I was in a state of complete relaxation, I would repeatedly say "calme", and eventually I was able to evoke that felling when I needed it. Other uses I came up with are: entering a trance,having focus for whatever is boring but you need to do, and one for willpower (such as when you know you can but don't want to do that one extra dumbbel lift or vacuuming)
Before all, let me explain what is Pavlov's dog effect for those who do not know. Essentially, pavlov was a scientist studying instrumental learning- he observed that every time the lab dog would see food, it would start secreting saliva.Then, every time the dog was fed, Pavlov would ring a bell. Over time, the dog would associate the bell with food and would secrete saliva whenever it was rung, even with no food around.
So how do you use this in magick? Well I've been working on an experiment of sorts. Entering a specific state or doing a specific action repeteadely while chanting a "magic word"- some archaic, unused word, so that when I say that word, I enter that state.
So far I have been succesful. Whenever I was in a state of complete relaxation, I would repeatedly say "calme", and eventually I was able to evoke that felling when I needed it. Other uses I came up with are: entering a trance,having focus for whatever is boring but you need to do, and one for willpower (such as when you know you can but don't want to do that one extra dumbbel lift or vacuuming)
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Re: "Magic words" using Pavlov's dog effect
Cool stuff. You can also use sounds, like ringing a bell. I started beginning ritual with a bell each time now, to mark the beginning and tell my lower and higher selves I'm doing a ritual.
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This is called an 'anchor' in self-hypnosis.
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Re: "Magic words" using Pavlov's dog effect
For me , it is speaking in my Tradition's old language , as well...
Not an unused word...just a language not spoken for everyday use...
Then there is tonality , timbre , and what we term magnetic voice...
The subconscious is also programmed by repetition , or reiteration... [wink]
Let me see if this site will take a voice file...nope...
I have recordings on another site...but it will not take one here...
Think though , of the "Bene Gesseret" Voice , in Dune...
Not an unused word...just a language not spoken for everyday use...
Then there is tonality , timbre , and what we term magnetic voice...
The subconscious is also programmed by repetition , or reiteration... [wink]
Let me see if this site will take a voice file...nope...
I have recordings on another site...but it will not take one here...
Think though , of the "Bene Gesseret" Voice , in Dune...
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If you wanted you could set up a free account on soundcloud.com to share sound files pretty easily.Shawn Blackwolf wrote: Let me see if this site will take a voice file...nope...
I have recordings on another site...but it will not take one here...
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Re: "Magic words" using Pavlov's dog effect
Motumbá Àse, Khazargo
I don't usually work with ceremonial or G.'.D.'. stuff because of my ATR chosen path, BUT is part of my past, I have done it, it used to be my main working line (ceremonial and western ritual) and when I do the Qabalistic Cross, for example, my energy sphere grows and expands enormously! It's automatic.
So, I do think it's very much related to the Pavlov's effect there. Our psyche can be programmed and taught.
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It is actually what happens we you do ritual magic, specially stuff like the G.'.D.'. training (LBRP, Middle Pillar and such). Firstly, it takes AGES to do the LBRP well, with all the visualization and "feeling" and "seeing" the things you're suppossed to, AND when you SEE and FEEL, when you mentally and spiritually have called the force you're invoking, you vibrate a Divine Name. You do it twice, even thrice or more times a day, for at least 40 days to 2 months... Then, it get's to a point that, what took you 20-40 minutes to accomplished, you now do it, perfectly in 5-10 minutes, or even less. Then you realize that by just "saying" (vibrating) the Divine Names, you actually get to the higher state and the forces actually activate in you Sensation Sphere... THAT'S the purpose of training, and repeating and doing it over and over and over again.Khazargo wrote:Hi
Before all, let me explain what is Pavlov's dog effect for those who do not know. Essentially, pavlov was a scientist studying instrumental learning- he observed that every time the lab dog would see food, it would start secreting saliva.Then, every time the dog was fed, Pavlov would ring a bell. Over time, the dog would associate the bell with food and would secrete saliva whenever it was rung, even with no food around.
So how do you use this in magick? Well I've been working on an experiment of sorts. Entering a specific state or doing a specific action repeteadely while chanting a "magic word"- some archaic, unused word, so that when I say that word, I enter that state.
So far I have been succesful. Whenever I was in a state of complete relaxation, I would repeatedly say "calme", and eventually I was able to evoke that felling when I needed it. Other uses I came up with are: entering a trance,having focus for whatever is boring but you need to do, and one for willpower (such as when you know you can but don't want to do that one extra dumbbel lift or vacuuming)
I don't usually work with ceremonial or G.'.D.'. stuff because of my ATR chosen path, BUT is part of my past, I have done it, it used to be my main working line (ceremonial and western ritual) and when I do the Qabalistic Cross, for example, my energy sphere grows and expands enormously! It's automatic.
So, I do think it's very much related to the Pavlov's effect there. Our psyche can be programmed and taught.
Saravá!
Idansi
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- form the Ts'ai Ken T'an
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Re: "Magic words" using Pavlov's dog effect
BTW, Isn't this pretty much the idea behind NLP? (Neuro-Linguistic-Programming).
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Yes and no...Desecrated wrote:BTW, Isn't this pretty much the idea behind NLP? (Neuro-Linguistic-Programming).
I knew Richard Bandler and his associate when they started NLP...
( I also know he used NLP to sway a courtroom , jury and judge , in Santa Cruz , Ca. , to get
out of a murder charge of him and / or a friend killing a prostitute , but that is a whole 'nother story )
NLP , is a feedback loop system , of questions and answers based on logic , and the frontal
brain , not the back of the brain trained by iteration / repetition , and subconscious programming...
It works much more on the conscious brain , , though if the same technique was repeated , with the
same person , over time , without altering the questions , and responses , I could see how it could
then fit that paradigm...however , as a person changed , their responses would change , so I would
state as I did...yes and no... [neutral2]
( However , later he incorporated more hypnosis into NLP , through his association with Erikson )
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I think you are correct on that one. I agree with you on both.Shawn Blackwolf wrote:Yes and no...Desecrated wrote:BTW, Isn't this pretty much the idea behind NLP? (Neuro-Linguistic-Programming).
It works much more on the conscious brain , ,
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