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Cerber wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:49 pm stuff
vedas aren't really an electronics 101 course :P
it's more to do with the state of the mind/soul/body and one's relationship to the wheel of reincarnation.

Siddhis are apparently supernatural abilities or traits, which flow from various states of enlightenment, as a side effect, rather than as a goal per se. I've seen some things in that vein which attempt to ascribe the ability to something electrical. I'm not sure that's a valid uh... "graft into modern parlance". Mostly I see that in martial arts monks though. I kinda chalk it up to "modern science apologists", who are trying to illustrate some kind of scientific basis for their supernatural claim. That attitude is very popular in modern Asia. Personally, I think that's a poor decision. It's a lot like ghost hunters who try to make everything ghost related about EMF. Huge waste of time in my view.

There's also some translation issues. Like if a text on ki gong is translated as referencing "energy", and then that term ends up in an argument with a physicist who has very clear cut definitions of what "energy" is in science. When really it's not the same thing being discussed.

For example, I can make someone's hair stand on end without touching them. It doesn't show up on any electrical or EMF measuring device though. And it doesn't dissipate with proximity, although focus can deteriorate with distance, depending on other variables. And I'm perfectly happy having it lack a scientific explanation context, because I'm not grasping at straws to make it sound believable. It just is. I'm curious of course, if there's some area of science which offers insight into the matter. But I'm not trying to shoe-horn it in there. Someone could call it an effect caused by transdimensional peanut butter coefficient for all I care hehe.

(this is a weird thread)

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Kath wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:10 pm vedas aren't really an electronics 101 course :P
it's more to do with the state of the mind/soul/body and one's relationship to the wheel of reincarnation.

Siddhis are apparently supernatural abilities or traits, which flow from various states of enlightenment, as a side effect, rather than as a goal per se. I've seen some things in that vein which attempt to ascribe the ability to something electrical. I'm not sure that's a valid uh... "graft into modern parlance". Mostly I see that in martial arts monks though. I kinda chalk it up to "modern science apologists", who are trying to illustrate some kind of scientific basis for their supernatural claim. That attitude is very popular in modern Asia. Personally, I think that's a poor decision. It's a lot like ghost hunters who try to make everything ghost related about EMF. Huge waste of time in my view.
I couldn't agree more.
I don't generally mind if other people's interpretation of certain texts, believes, or even their own personal experience is not inline with my own. I can always say "this or that is not part of my own gnosis" and I'm perfectly ok knowing nobody else in the entire world sees the same world through exactly same lens that I do. I don't feel threatened by that, nor feel any desire to project my own (entirely personal) believes and dogmas. I believe the earth is round, somebody else believe earth is flat, that is perfectly fine, as long as some of the "others" don't start burning down 5G towers in my neighbourhood and cause my internet to lag.
So with that disclaimer in mind. I personally(!) see vedas (and many other old texts) as reference material for cultural and philosophical studies. For scientific and other technical/practical (physically) knowledge I would refer to more modern works written by people like Einstein, Maxwell, Newton and so on. So with that last post, I only meant to say that while there may be some bits of "modern scientific knowledge" mentioned in some ancient texts (or some things mentioned that might appear as if it's referencing something from modern science, either due to translations, or simply due to some natural similarities of different things) I see none of that manifesting in the life and culture of those people even after thousands of years, so statistical probability of such claims and believes is a little too low for me to consider it as probability or even possibility.
There's also some translation issues. Like if a text on ki gong is translated as referencing "energy", and then that term ends up in an argument with a physicist who has very clear cut definitions of what "energy" is in science. When really it's not the same thing being discussed.

For example, I can make someone's hair stand on end without touching them. It doesn't show up on any electrical or EMF measuring device though. And it doesn't dissipate with proximity, although focus can deteriorate with distance, depending on other variables. And I'm perfectly happy having it lack a scientific explanation context, because I'm not grasping at straws to make it sound believable. It just is. I'm curious of course, if there's some area of science which offers insight into the matter. But I'm not trying to shoe-horn it in there. Someone could call it an effect caused by transdimensional peanut butter coefficient for all I care hehe.
Do me!.. :D
I mean is this hypothetical example or something you actually can do?
(this is a weird thread)
Well,.. There are 27370 threads, I can bet my chest hair (to which I'm very attached to, both figuratively and literally) that for every single one of those there's somebody somewhere who would find it weird. Weird is our speciality, am I right?
WEIRD is our JAM!..
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> I've seen some things in that vein which attempt to ascribe the ability to something electrical.

In the Hindu system there are 7 planes and beyond them 5 electricities - making a 12 fold system.

When I have a dream that looks contrived, I measure its energy to see if any electricities are present. If there are none, the dream is a fake.

What material scientists refer to as electricity is only the outer layer of a profound system.

In my perception the 5 electricities are the nervous system impulses of the Being that uses the universe as Its body of manifestation.

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Cerber wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:33 pm Do me!.. :D
I mean is this hypothetical example or something you actually can do?
Not hypothetical.
uh, I've never tried to do it over distance, and I wouldn't describe it as having 100% success rate in person.

Initially i was experimenting with it as I noticed that shifting mental states and energy states can affect my own hair follicles. In particular, any really high energy state in the 'energy sense' or in the 'excitement sense' can cause goosebumps. I believe I started looking into it while exploring altered states of consciousness (non-chemical) while exploring what might be easiest to quantify as berserkergang mental states. Kind of along the lines of overriding "safeties" the body has in place limiting physical strength, pain, etc. as well as activating more of the brain so as to create the sensation of slowed time. I guess kinda exploring the relationship between adrenaline, consciousness, and body. Although I'm pretty sure someone could learn similar in completely different avenues of study.

Anyway, what i noticed was that I could shift mental states, and cause goosebumps in myself, in some cases very noticeable goosebumps, and very quickly. That's not too strange, a good piece of music could do that.

But what interested me, was that the goosebump effect is autonomic, in that it's not really a consciously controlled thing. At least not directly. Much like heart rate, you could run up some stairs to elevate your heart rate, or think of something exciting, but you can't just jack your heart rate like you would open or close your hand in a direct way.

...so what caught my attention, was that you can experience goosebumps in some parts of the body, while not experiencing it in others. Again, not too strange, a cold draft can do that, as goosebumps are also a reflex for chilly weather. But what about when there is no chilly draft?

Experimentally I started trying to cause localized goosebumps on myself, limiting the effect to specific areas. And I was able to do so, more so with practice. Not directly, like motor reflexes, but I could generate localized goosebumps on myself indirectly. This struck me as "odd", since I couldn't think of an autonomic mechanism allowing for that, without at least some form of stimulation at the targeted site. It should function holistically as a chemically driven response (as in the case of an excited state), or locally as a reflex response to stimuli. So localized goosebump generation without stimulation in that area, seemed odd to me.

To test if it was an internal biological mechanism which I was understanding poorly, or an 'other' mechanism, I tried to cause goosebumps in classmates. Strictly speaking, failure would not rule out a non-biological mechanism for the effect, but success would tend to prove something "scientifically out of bounds" is in play (using science here as a reference for our 'current' understanding of natural processes, vs. what some call supernatural).

Initially this proved difficult. But there were some hints of success. I used only unaware test subjects, I mean, it's goosebumps... not going to get a letter of consent for THAT, besides knowledge of the test is somewhat invalidating. In myself I had been using what I'd kind of call 'controlled frenzy' to generate the effect. But it struck me that 'fear' is a form of frenzied state which is very strongly hardwired into biology.

I recalled a previous interaction with an entity which had a fairly strong command over fear as a tool. When threatened, it did a thing which I'd kind of describe as a "fear blast". uh... a directed wave of energy which contained a strong element of 'fear', but... and this is hard to describe accurately... in a form which would instill fear, rather than create the impression that the source of the energy is afraid. Effectively "intimidation", but on a sort of pre-conscious level, leveraging natural empathic reception. Put another way: propagating panic outward in a targeted manner, in such a way that it induces fear like occurs in spreading panic, rather than giving the impression that the source is afraid as might occur in a passive empathic sense. Sort of the subtle distinction between an entrainment process which tells your preconscious mind "you are afraid" rather than "I am afraid". Where a natural spread of panic in a crowd is more in a middle ground of "we are afraid". I'm really struggling for the right terminology here, it's all a bit outside the common ground vernacular. I sometimes call it a "Boo!", for simplicity's sake.

When interacting with entities, I have always focused on understanding them, understanding also how they do things, and on emulating how they do what they do. At that time in my early entity interactions, I just reflexively did "Boo! back". So I basically learned how TO "Boo!" just by being "Boo!'ed at", while paying close attention. And I found this particular technique to be pretty easy to emulate. It's just a sort of targeted entrainment, or tuning fork effect, through the empathic energetic medium. It's only different from something like enthrallment or glamour in emotional flavor, not different in method.

Soooo, finally circling back to the topic at hand: I knew that I could 'do' a BOO!. And this would cause goosebumps as an autonomic response as the target experienced the chemical effects of a fight or flight response. This is possible without being in any way outwardly threatening. Without a known source, it just manifests as 'unease' in a target.

But what about localized body-part targeting, like the asymmetrical goose bumps thing I was doing on myself? I had a fairly high confidence level that if A caused goosebumps, B caused goosebumps differentially in just parts of the body, and C caused goosebumps in an external target, that A+B+C could cause goosebumps differentially in parts of the body of a target. And fear is just super-deeply hardwired into the biological goosebumps reflex. So I switched approaches to try to BOO! Body parts of a target, rather than the target entire. I found this to be "fairly reliable". Although, the starting mindset/mood of the target, and their distraction level were definitely huge factors. You're not going to easily give someone a creepy feeling in one arm while they're looking at porn or something. They are just very not tuned in to that radio station in such a situation hehe.

I do think other "flavors" of approach also work and can do the same thing. It's just that fear has such a strong biologically hard-wired association with goose bumps, that it really stands out as an ideal frequency for that purpose.

I have not tried to do A+B+C "at a distance". A&C over distance? Have done. But A+B+C? In principal it should work. I know that empathic entrainment effects can work just fine over large distances, you can give someone goosebumps online. But targeting a specific physical part of the person would require some fancy conceptual gymnastics. Essentially when energetically interacting with another being over distance, you're focusing on resonating with them, to make physical distance irrelevant, so that you're "with" someone without being at their hard-matter location. But to differentially cause goosebumps in a target, that's going back to a spatial sense of reality. So to reach out, you'd be doing one thing, while simultaneously pulling that approach inside out in order to affect some specific part of their 3-D biological component. I would not say that's impossible. But I also would not bet money on accomplishing it first try :P I tend to think it might require a mind which can 'functionally visualize' an impossible object. Or possibly, just a mind which doesn't know it's tricky, sometimes that's all you need to overcome a problem. There was a young mathematician who solved a long standing hard-core math conundrum because he arrived late to class and thought the problem on the board was a homework assignment.

It would be way easier to TELL a distant target where they're going to feel goosebumps, and just kinda brow-beat their consciousness to self-manifest the effect. But as a scientific experiment, that's cheating hehe.

I'd have to be more in Shia LaBeouf's "DO IT! ...JUST DO IT!" mental state to go generating goosebumps. And right now I'm more in a fluffy slippers and hot coco state :P (although i did have some goosebump effects just recollecting some of the experiences related to this). Plus engaging another sentient being over distance without real time communication, or at the very least a prior experience of connection, is a royal PITA.

Anyway, at the end of the day, the contracting of muscles around hair follicles involves a very small electrical impulse. But I'd hardly call the subject matter of what I'm talking about "electrical in nature".

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> any really high energy state in the 'energy sense' or in the 'excitement sense' can cause goosebumps.

Is this caused by an external energy flow contacting the body at that place.

For example muse-ic performances (attracting the muses) often result in an inflow through the top of the head.

When the muses do not come, strictly it is a tonal performance - according to Wagner.

>When threatened, it did a thing which I'd kind of describe as a "fear blast". uh... a directed wave of energy which contained a strong element of 'fear'

This is likely to be energy of frequency range that in a human is experienced as fear. If the entity was skilful it used energies that manifested as both physical and emotional fear.

I had a friend who used to take a group of young uni students to a sub-tropical island for the weekend to do botany. They would run around madly and not do any work. So one time she decided to fix them. On the way over in the boat she flooded them with love using an emotional subplane that challenges humans to control their personalities.

So she spent the weekend run off her feet with constant queries about plants and ecosystem. The students could not control their desire to control their personalities.

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Kath wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:15 pm Not hypothetical.
uh, I've never tried to do it over distance, and I wouldn't describe it as having 100% success rate in person.

Initially i was experimenting with it as I noticed that shifting mental states and energy states can affect my own hair follicles. In particular, any really high energy state in the 'energy sense' or in the 'excitement sense' can cause goosebumps. I believe I started looking into it while exploring altered states of consciousness (non-chemical) while exploring what might be easiest to quantify as berserkergang mental states. Kind of along the lines of overriding "safeties" the body has in place limiting physical strength, pain, etc. as well as activating more of the brain so as to create the sensation of slowed time. I guess kinda exploring the relationship between adrenaline, consciousness, and body. Although I'm pretty sure someone could learn similar in completely different avenues of study.

Anyway, what i noticed was that I could shift mental states, and cause goosebumps in myself, in some cases very noticeable goosebumps, and very quickly. That's not too strange, a good piece of music could do that.

But what interested me, was that the goosebump effect is autonomic, in that it's not really a consciously controlled thing. At least not directly. Much like heart rate, you could run up some stairs to elevate your heart rate, or think of something exciting, but you can't just jack your heart rate like you would open or close your hand in a direct way.
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Wow, fascinating!
I always could cause goosebumps to my self, for as long as I can remember. And long time ago, at least once or twice I did wonder to my self is there any deeper meaning to it, is it anything special or anyone can do it, does it have any practical applications, or is it as useful as wiggling your ears. But I never went beyond it. So it amazing to see someone actually did some research and experimentation on this exact subject. Most appreciated.
For me it's almost like there is some button at the back of my brain, inside my skull, somewhere right where brain connects to spinal cord, and if I focus on that exact spot, even just for a moment, I can flip some imaginary switch and a slow rolling wave of chill starts rolling through my body starting at that exact spot and reaching my toes. But it never even crossed my mind to try "localized goosebumps", or even try on other people. I guess I never moved beyond that level A :D
About distance, from my personal experience, when it comes to spiritual/astral things, physical distance distance between two points of interest don't matter, only matters strength of "connection". It's not uncommon to have strong and deep, effortless connection with some people and places light-years away in some cases, and other times being unable to connect with something or someone right in front of me.. So maybe the answer depends if goosebumps is physical phenomena or spiritual, or maybe rather how you go about. Could be, possibly, even a bit of both. Maybe can trigger physical aspect through spiritual connections, which travel through some "other dimensions" and aren't limited, or impacted by physical distance, something along the lines. Perhaps.
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Amor wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:43 pm > any really high energy state in the 'energy sense' or in the 'excitement sense' can cause goosebumps.

Is this caused by an external energy flow contacting the body at that place.

For example muse-ic performances (attracting the muses) often result in an inflow through the top of the head.

When the muses do not come, strictly it is a tonal performance - according to Wagner.

>When threatened, it did a thing which I'd kind of describe as a "fear blast". uh... a directed wave of energy which contained a strong element of 'fear'

This is likely to be energy of frequency range that in a human is experienced as fear. If the entity was skilful it used energies that manifested as both physical and emotional fear.

I had a friend who used to take a group of young uni students to a sub-tropical island for the weekend to do botany. They would run around madly and not do any work. So one time she decided to fix them. On the way over in the boat she flooded them with love using an emotional subplane that challenges humans to control their personalities.

So she spent the weekend run off her feet with constant queries about plants and ecosystem. The students could not control their desire to control their personalities.
muses... very familiar hehe
I've stopped painting to take a sip of my morning cafe mocha, only to find that it was completely cold, and then looked outside and realized it was now night time.

I dunno how skillful I would rate that being which did the BOO. I guess I'd rate it "medium" on an arbitrary scale of magical know-how. I interacted with it twice on it's terms, and quite a few times after that on my terms (I was pleasant, mostly I just found it to be interesting).


I love-blasted a pit bull once. I know it's a stereotype that pit bulls are overtly hostile (most aren't), but this one fully lived up to the reputation. I saw it first. It came into my back yard while I was seated lotus style (i was staining a piece of wood furniture), so I couldn't very quickly get up & move away without drawing it's attention. I decided to just sit and wait to see if it noticed me.

I knew that fear would greatly excite the dog, in all the wrong ways, so i purged that emotion entirely. Instead I channeled what could best be described as love, or at least a very intense sort of serene good will. It's somewhat critical to point out this doesn't work if you're "trying to suppress/shift" an emotion. The nonverbal predator-prey dialog does not abide faking. You have to 'actually' and 'fully' change the emotional dynamic. Animals are very adept at knowing what you actually intend.

It did see me. And it rushed at me. all teeth & nastiness. It was clearly an approach intended to elicit a certain response in me. When I didn't respond as intended, it pulled to a stop just short of me. On a completely non-emotional level I did consider how to kill the dog bare handed if necessary, but I didn't devote any emotional energy to that side thought. I just kept looking it in the eyes and radiating an overwhelmingly friendly energy. It went through a wide range of facial expressions (for a dog), and eventually it yelped out of the blue, and ran away full speed, not looking back. I had thought, that we'd come to an uneasy peace or something. Didn't expect it to yelp and run away.

Didn't hurt that I'm pretty good with dog psychology, but I was definitely pumping out a lot more than body language at him.

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Cerber wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:24 pm For me it's almost like there is some button at the back of my brain, inside my skull, somewhere right where brain connects to spinal cord, and if I focus on that exact spot, even just for a moment, I can flip some imaginary switch and a slow rolling wave of chill starts rolling through my body starting at that exact spot and reaching my toes. But it never even crossed my mind to try "localized goosebumps", or even try on other people. I guess I never moved beyond that level A :D
About distance, from my personal experience, when it comes to spiritual/astral things, physical distance distance between two points of interest don't matter, only matters strength of "connection". It's not uncommon to have strong and deep, effortless connection with some people and places light-years away in some cases, and other times being unable to connect with something or someone right in front of me.. So maybe the answer depends if goosebumps is physical phenomena or spiritual, or maybe rather how you go about. Could be, possibly, even a bit of both. Maybe can trigger physical aspect through spiritual connections, which travel through some "other dimensions" and aren't limited, or impacted by physical distance, something along the lines. Perhaps.
I think the back of the neck is a pretty ticklish spot and very prone to goose bumps. so that makes sense.

I find that with music which inspires a more sort of assertive frame of mind there's more goose bumps in the arms as you're kinda channeling more energy that way, like you're going to do something with it.

I agree about distance. Part of why I tend to dislike "electro-magnitism" study in parapsychology is because clearly my experiences illustrate a lack of regard for 3-D dimensional space, rather completely unlike EMF. And I agree that all that matters is strength of connection. However... trying to target only someone's right arm, for goosebumps, and not the rest of them, is like shifting focus back to a spatially-segregate (struggling with terms here) frame of mind. So to me it seems like it would be extra difficult to bridge distance by focusing on how distance doesn't limit spiritual connection, but then turning around and trying to affect only a particular body area, which is all about separation based on physical separation. Maybe I'm reading difficulty into it without justification though heh, I dunno.

I think goosebumps are definitely a physical phenomenon. It's just that spiritual beings inhabit bodies, and so you can kinda cause very normal physiological effects but through stimuli in the medium of influencing the spiritual resident of the body. Or at least that's my modeling of it.

Actually I had an idea, based on this, for a sci fi representation of trying to apply technology to the supernatural, and engineering a sort of small organism, which reacts strongly to spiritual stimuli, laid out in an array (with wires hooked up to them) inside a container with an aperture lens opening. As a sort of sci-fi "camera" for observing the metaphysical. each organism being like a pixel in the camera. I have no idea if you could even get spiritual energy to interact with an aperture lens, but it kinda illustrates the mechanics of how I look at supernatural effects on the physical plane.

I have observed (rarely) telekinetic effects though, which seem to have a direct effect on the physical without going through the very receptive inhabitant of a living body. So maybe I'm just inclined towards the easy to do magic hehe.

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Kath wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:29 pm Actually I had an idea, based on this, for a sci fi representation of trying to apply technology to the supernatural, and engineering a sort of small organism, which reacts strongly to spiritual stimuli, laid out in an array (with wires hooked up to them) inside a container with an aperture lens opening. As a sort of sci-fi "camera" for observing the metaphysical. each organism being like a pixel in the camera. I have no idea if you could even get spiritual energy to interact with an aperture lens, but it kinda illustrates the mechanics of how I look at supernatural effects on the physical plane.
That is actually very interesting idea. While I don't believe we could actually get it to work like and actual camera, showing images of actual spiritual planes (spaces, places, people), the general idea might actually work in some way, for some things. But we will never know for sure until you try.
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Cerber wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:16 pm That is actually very interesting idea. While I don't believe we could actually get it to work like and actual camera, showing images of actual spiritual planes (spaces, places, people), the general idea might actually work in some way, for some things. But we will never know for sure until you try.
unfortunately i have a lack of carefully engineered psychically sensitive algae to coat the interior of my psi-camera with :P

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Kath wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:10 pm I just kept looking it in the eyes and radiating an overwhelmingly friendly energy. It went through a wide range of facial expressions (for a dog), and eventually it yelped out of the blue, and ran away full speed, not looking back.
I sometimes take a neighbour's small dog for a short run if I see her walking him. The dog is very friendly. One day as I approached the dog, coincidentally I had a lot of energy flowing in through my crown chakra. The dog got very upset for a while - by which time the flow had diminished. Fortunately the woman understood my explanation.

My older son, at age 2 would always look just above my head rather than into my eyes. By the age of 7 he seems to have lost all inner sight. Still he has called his first born Arthur Rex (Arthur the king) so there may still be something going on.

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Amor wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:34 am I sometimes take a neighbour's small dog for a short run if I see her walking him. The dog is very friendly. One day as I approached the dog, coincidentally I had a lot of energy flowing in through my crown chakra. The dog got very upset for a while - by which time the flow had diminished. Fortunately the woman understood my explanation.

My older son, at age 2 would always look just above my head rather than into my eyes. By the age of 7 he seems to have lost all inner sight. Still he has called his first born Arthur Rex (Arthur the king) so there may still be something going on.
I met a psychic in a night club once who was actually psychic (in addition to playing the con for money).
She said I was "stretched out all over the room" (it was a really big club). Also said I was kinda gothy looking, heh. (I don't look gothy physically, I'm kinda the marylin munster archetype). "an almost black violet-indigo, and electric blue" she said.
I was pretty early in my path. I was also pretty drunk. I just thought about it for a moment, and said "yeah".
She was very into me, but I had a bf at the time. Obviously could be a pick-up line... if an odd one. but she said other things which made me realize she was more than just the horse & pony show 'personal validation fallacy' sort of psychic.

Learning to... uh... grasp (understand/control) the subtle body interactions with others has been a kinda substantial chunk of my early path.

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Kath wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:20 pm
Cerber wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:16 pm That is actually very interesting idea. While I don't believe we could actually get it to work like and actual camera, showing images of actual spiritual planes (spaces, places, people), the general idea might actually work in some way, for some things. But we will never know for sure until you try.
unfortunately i have a lack of carefully engineered psychically sensitive algae to coat the interior of my psi-camera with :P
Why not start with a small colony of just regular algae in a Petri dish on some thin matrix of micro electrodes, deposited using old fashioned ion vapour vacuum spluttering, or something simple like that. Start from something simple, you know, and see if that gets you anywhere :P
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Cerber wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:06 am Why not start with a small colony of just regular algae in a Petri dish on some thin matrix of micro electrodes, deposited using old fashioned ion vapour vacuum spluttering, or something simple like that. Start from something simple, you know, and see if that gets you anywhere :P
hmm, is algae sensitive to psychic phenomena? and does it put out an electrical signal?

signal processing might be tricky too. For example, if you have an image with 2 extremely similar hues next to each other, it's hard to tell them apart unless you find the right way to exaggerate the difference without totally washing it out with a post-processing effect.

like 2 grays next to each other which are only one notch of gamma separated, if you darken or lighten the image, it may condense a digital copy into a single shade of gray. Even if you try to increase contrast, it will only be helpful of the centerpoint for your contrasting is at the right gamma value to exaggerate the difference.

could benefit from a computer which looks for any analog signal difference, and then displays a kind of 'difference map' which may bring out extremely subtle detail.

or maybe there's so much energetic 'stuff' that it would look like nothing but retinal static :P hehehehe

would you want an aperture focus? a lens? maybe a magnetic aperture? maybe even a gravity lens? (which would be impossible to tinker with really). so many questions heh

it was more of an idea for something in a sci fi story. in that I imagined the microbes were engineered to be especially psychicly sensitive. and they had worked out some material which would block 'energy' so they could have a pin-hole lens effect. of course all of this assumes it has an awful lot in common with 'light'. A pinhole lens doesn't create a picture for sound waves & such.

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Kath wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:52 pm
Cerber wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:06 am Why not start with a small colony of just regular algae in a Petri dish on some thin matrix of micro electrodes, deposited using old fashioned ion vapour vacuum spluttering, or something simple like that. Start from something simple, you know, and see if that gets you anywhere :P
hmm, is algae sensitive to psychic phenomena? and does it put out an electrical signal?

signal processing might be tricky too. For example, if you have an image with 2 extremely similar hues next to each other, it's hard to tell them apart unless you find the right way to exaggerate the difference without totally washing it out with a post-processing effect.

like 2 grays next to each other which are only one notch of gamma separated, if you darken or lighten the image, it may condense a digital copy into a single shade of gray. Even if you try to increase contrast, it will only be helpful of the centerpoint for your contrasting is at the right gamma value to exaggerate the difference.

could benefit from a computer which looks for any analog signal difference, and then displays a kind of 'difference map' which may bring out extremely subtle detail.

or maybe there's so much energetic 'stuff' that it would look like nothing but retinal static :P hehehehe

would you want an aperture focus? a lens? maybe a magnetic aperture? maybe even a gravity lens? (which would be impossible to tinker with really). so many questions heh

it was more of an idea for something in a sci fi story. in that I imagined the microbes were engineered to be especially psychicly sensitive. and they had worked out some material which would block 'energy' so they could have a pin-hole lens effect. of course all of this assumes it has an awful lot in common with 'light'. A pinhole lens doesn't create a picture for sound waves & such.
Oh that sounds complicated and from a realm of sci fi. I was thinking more like just print some matrix of microelectrodes on a regular Petri dish, with already existing and common technology, grow a colony of some microbes, or yeast on top of that layer of electrodes, then put that entire "device" in some black box, to isolate from all external noise (light, sound, thermal, and even electromagnetic), and then just use some simple electronics to constantly "scan" that matrix for any even minute changes in electric field on any of the spots. Because maybe all life is sensitive to metaphysical phenomena to some extent, no matter how small. And maybe don't need to engineer anything special, just need to "listen" very carefully, maybe those interactions are so gentle, only barely above background noise, but if we take extra steps to cut out most of the noise, and "listen" very carefully, we might be able to pick up something. Well with my method you probably wouldn't be able to get hi-res pictures, or any pictures for that matter, but maybe some ghost would be able draw pictures, letters and symbols on that petri dish and you could get text messages, maybe entire emails from the beyond, you never until you try :P
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Cerber wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:55 pm Oh that sounds complicated and from a realm of sci fi. I was thinking more like just print some matrix of microelectrodes on a regular Petri dish, with already existing and common technology, grow a colony of some microbes, or yeast on top of that layer of electrodes, then put that entire "device" in some black box, to isolate from all external noise (light, sound, thermal, and even electromagnetic), and then just use some simple electronics to constantly "scan" that matrix for any even minute changes in electric field on any of the spots. Because maybe all life is sensitive to metaphysical phenomena to some extent, no matter how small. And maybe don't need to engineer anything special, just need to "listen" very carefully, maybe those interactions are so gentle, only barely above background noise, but if we take extra steps to cut out most of the noise, and "listen" very carefully, we might be able to pick up something. Well with my method you probably wouldn't be able to get hi-res pictures, or any pictures for that matter, but maybe some ghost would be able draw pictures, letters and symbols on that petri dish and you could get text messages, maybe entire emails from the beyond, you never until you try :P
Ya it would be interesting to tinker with. I mentioned it as a kind of conceptual idea i had once. But I never really thought to tinker with it.
It would take some electrical engineering ability, I'd have to brush up on that. I dunno.

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Kath wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:19 am
Cerber wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:55 pm Oh that sounds complicated and from a realm of sci fi. I was thinking more like just print some matrix of microelectrodes on a regular Petri dish, with already existing and common technology, grow a colony of some microbes, or yeast on top of that layer of electrodes, then put that entire "device" in some black box, to isolate from all external noise (light, sound, thermal, and even electromagnetic), and then just use some simple electronics to constantly "scan" that matrix for any even minute changes in electric field on any of the spots. Because maybe all life is sensitive to metaphysical phenomena to some extent, no matter how small. And maybe don't need to engineer anything special, just need to "listen" very carefully, maybe those interactions are so gentle, only barely above background noise, but if we take extra steps to cut out most of the noise, and "listen" very carefully, we might be able to pick up something. Well with my method you probably wouldn't be able to get hi-res pictures, or any pictures for that matter, but maybe some ghost would be able draw pictures, letters and symbols on that petri dish and you could get text messages, maybe entire emails from the beyond, you never until you try :P
Ya it would be interesting to tinker with. I mentioned it as a kind of conceptual idea i had once. But I never really thought to tinker with it.
It would take some electrical engineering ability, I'd have to brush up on that. I dunno.
Oh I'm just giving you some half-serious ideas to expand on your half-serious thought, because there might be something interesting in there, you never know, maybe somebody someday will come across this our collectively baked recipe and that somebody will actually feel intrigued enough to try it out :P We're are trying to be helpful, for the present and future generations :)
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Cerber wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:35 am Oh I'm just giving you some half-serious ideas to expand on your half-serious thought, because there might be something interesting in there, you never know, maybe somebody someday will come across this our collectively baked recipe and that somebody will actually feel intrigued enough to try it out :P We're are trying to be helpful, for the present and future generations :)
I've always been very curious what science will look like when certain things become more known to it.

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Kath wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:46 pm I've always been very curious what science will look like when certain things become more known to it.
But for new things to become know to science, there must be that someone who would introduce that some new unknown thing to the science of known. Science needs you!

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Cerber wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:24 am
Kath wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:46 pm I've always been very curious what science will look like when certain things become more known to it.
But for new things to become know to science, there must be that someone who would introduce that some new unknown thing to the science of known. Science needs you!
hehe, for now, I think there are forces which would prefer certain things remain secret.

not that I trust their judgement per se.

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There certainly are forces, so desperately obsessed with maintaining status quo, for as long they possibly can.
But our reluctance to abide by the rules of this artificial system is what makes us different, from the rest of the crop.
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