Thelemic Selfrealisation V

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Thelemic Selfrealisation V

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ConsciousNess is self-complementary.

The constellations of the manifestations of ConsciousNess are interactive; their reciprocal changes maintain its continuity.

Every constellation comprises poles that determine its space/time.

The space/time of Selfrealisation is Here/Now.

The inter/extrapolation (see: sphere) of ConsciousNess encompasses the entire Selfrealisation process.

The ways the interrelations of the constellations are observed, reveal also the ways & patterns of the observers Selfrealisation process.

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Self is not to be sought after or subjected to operations of the intellect, but to be whole hearted/minded embraced.

One cannot change oneself, but one can realize oneself.

The notion of changing oneself is self-denial and most common in Dualism, because of its presumption that the viewpoints, which relate its manifestations, are having different time/space positions. A misconception that leads – due to the counter-dynamics of the (dualistic) R/P fields – to the assumption that one could be different/other than one is.

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When mind ceases to differentiate it is one, many & All.

All is as infinite as the unities of which it consists.

The dimension of unity can neither be related nor located – but only be experienced.

Dimensions that can be related, are division/multiplication abstructs. They may serve to focus on unity, but cannot effect it, since its time/space is not extended – wherefore unity disappears when manipulated.

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Occidental philosophies claim to behold truth and reality and Occidental sciences to have proven and confirmed them.

Both ignore those of the Orient – the philosophers because they can´t comprehend them, and the scientists because the truths & realities of the Orient don´t need scientific confirmations, since subject & object, the creator & the created complement each other in the alternating R/P system.

To differentiate and to compare realities are mirror games, as they are aspects of one and the same process that only differs in its particular perspectives.

Every manifestation of the Mind contains an unknown factor, which – when known – becomes another manifestation – thus multiplicity is born. Multiplicity is the cradle of differentiation – differentiation is subject to the R/P modes – their viewpoints cause restrictions – restriction retards Selfrealisation.

The reflection/projection capability of the mind is the cause of many of its problems, and their solution as well, as it can bring about a state of ConsciousNess that supersedes subjective/ objective, internal/external and many more of the dualities that confuse the mind.

If we knew our mind perfectly and realized what our Self-nature truly is, all of us would be enlightened. (Hui Neng)

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Rumpelstilzchen wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:46 pm One cannot change oneself, but one can realize oneself.

Divisions of the Psyche


Dr. Freud divided the psyche into three distinct parts:

1. The "id", true nature, or true self which is similar to the Thelemic notion of "true will".
2. The "ego" which serves as filtering mechanism or mediator to allow only that which is deemed acceptable by moral standards, ones' peers, or society in general.
3. The "superego" which is the postfiltering end result that everyone observes.

The "id" may evolve naturally over the years(or decades) from a state of more immorality to less immorality which culminates eventually in less and less required filtering by the "ego" whereas the three approach a convergence to one single aspect although ultimately may never progress quite that far but is at least "approached" more or less.

As opposed to "self-realization" and attempting to 'force' "change" within a much shorter timeframe which is much less likely where an individual would instead choose to conceal the undesirable parts via the above mechanisms.

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Thank you CC - i completely agree with your conclusion, and thus suggest:

Where Selfrealisation, the consciousness of All, is not yet realized, self-management is recommended.
In the following it is called auto-management, to emphasize the autonomy aspect, which is particularly important where Dualism rules, traditional Wertmasstaebe deteriorate, new ones come and go by the hour and mind seeks help and solutions outside of its personal periphery, like in the wwmediawebs that distribute myriads of opinions of confused minds, and manipulate them with algorithms and AI´s to feed their commercial, political, ideological and other ego-cravings.

The auto-manager is to shun religious, ideological and collective identity schemes, avoid clustering his home with emotions and moralities, infect it with possession & parasitical viruses, copy blindly traditional reference frameworks and/or represent & exercise the wills of others. in short: he is not to house anything that impedes the autonomy of his mind.

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(Although risking misunderstanding, the term selfmanagement/manager is going to be used from here on.)

´Do what Thou wilt, love under will - i.e. Love Thyself - is the first Law of selfmanagement.

Selfmanagement is active, and thus akin to Thelema.

Selfmanagement is not to change the mind – after all, mind is change – but to strengthen it.

The selfmanager has to keep, first of all, Unity in mind.

He is to manage his mind in accordance with his true Nature

If Warrior happens to be the dominant characteristic, he might turn the house into a fortress, to repel the politicians, money-molochs, religious parasites, spin-doctors, media-influencers and whatever else messes around in his exteriors, namely the Occident, and moreover, to prevent mind from wandering off into the worlds of Dualism where psycho- neuro- tecno- media-etc-logics threaten to estrange it.

The warrior is to operate alone and from a secret position that serves as his retreat and to study the weaknesses and traps of his opponents. He may use their deception tactics and tricks, but his attack has to be precise and swift like a snake. He has to pay attention not to rush past his target, or to idle in it, but to retreat in the same manner and without leaving unnecessary (e.g.: personal) traces. Moreover, he ought not to return to the target of his attack to reassure his success, because an act that is questioned is incomplete, i.e. imperfect.

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The warrior might join Ra-Hoor-Khu, the Egyptian god of war and vengeance (LAL III-3), who personifies the destruction of the Occidental- i.e. Ego- civilisation.

Hindus call it Kali Yuga and predicted it about 2000 years ago to be the last phase in a cycle of yugas that is going to terminate in the 21st century.
In the Sanskrit epic Mahabharata it is described as the age of (quote) confusion, self-deception, hypocrisy, avarice, debauchery, corruption, vice, quarrel, misery and wars.
Hindus claim it to be followed by a new cycle, starting with Sata yuga, the age of truth, also called the Golden Age, from where probably the New Age concept of the Occident derives.

LAL III-34 similar suggests that the whole game of gods sacrifices, egos, etc, is going to start all over again; yet Liber Al vel Legis (LAL) finishes with ´I have crushed an universe; & nought remains´.
Naught = none, is in Book I envisioned as a state of mind whose time/space his here/now and thus ALL (Nuit).

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How many selfs does a human properly have?

In the Kabbalah the human has 5 souls. How do they relate to the concept of self?

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Amor wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:39 am How many selfs does a human properly have?

In the Kabbalah the human has 5 souls. How do they relate to the concept of self?
Thats a very good question. Since a "self" can only be recognized if it can think and process an outside world from itself. Accumulated it should only be one.

I didnt know the Kabbalah writes a about 5 souls belonging to a human. But it comes close to my personal experience.
Just that not they are souls but parts of the soul. And five is a little less I would say. The soul, which is the center of yourself and your true being can be called as the true self. Something you can not change. And everything else are all small pieces of the soul, which can inhabit a body or other physical things to experience. And even this small piece of the soul can split into much more smaller parts.

I would compare it to a tree and its branches.


@Rumpelstilzchen

<If we knew our mind perfectly and realized what our Self-nature truly is, all of us would be enlightened. (Hui Neng)>

Thats some heavy words, which I dont think, they can be understood that easily how they sound. So a lot of people wont agree to that, just because they cant understand what "mind" in all its form might mean.


@Ccoburn

<1. The "id", true nature, or true self which is similar to the Thelemic notion of "true will".
2. The "ego" which serves as filtering mechanism or mediator to allow only that which is deemed acceptable by moral standards, ones' peers, or society in general.
3. The "superego" which is the postfiltering end result that everyone observes.>

The id and the superego are more part of the physical mind though. The id is not meant to be the true nature nor the true will. Its whats influenced by stimulus of the outside and also in connection with our body and its needs.
The superego is more our moral standard filter. Since it observes what is allowed in society and what isnt.
And our ego is the one, who makes the decision and checks those things with reality. Its our critical part of the mind. It must decide between moral standards and needs.

For example a child is starving. Moral standard would be stealing is bad. Hunger is the need. There are other possibilities to get food but if it fails, it will eventually resort into breaking the moral standard. So you are right at this point that the ego is filtering but its not filtering towards moral, its filtering about whats more critical. So the id is more inclined to breaking moral and fulfill its needs opposing the superego. Which means if that was to be our true self, we would be some dark creatures.

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