How Much of it is Human/Covert?

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How Much of it is Human/Covert?

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More recently, I've delved into the ideas of Dr. Steven Greer and the notion of extraterrestrials being peaceful and contactable with sincere, meditative intent.

However, what seems to come with his "CE5" is the idea that covert (rogue) human operations have been taking place without disclosure to the respective governments (which in the US makes it illegal). The rogue operations use very high tech and often involve psychological ops, mutilations and other scare tactics, and faked alien abductions, among others. Not to delve head first into believing, but there are others who have come forward about this, like Jake Barber. The US congress have held hearings about it...other stuff to add to credibility.

I have to wonder how much of modern-day goings on have turned out to be humans doing things to scare us away from the occult rather than actual events from the unknown.

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dRider wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:45 am...
I have to wonder how much of modern-day goings on have turned out to be humans doing things to scare us away from the occult rather than actual events from the unknown.
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I am not sure that is the best dichotomy.

Once I had an inner plane look at the supreme body of a dictatorship and saw only 3 genuine humans out of perhaps 10 at the table. The rest were passing as human to propagate the purposes of their own groups.

The above situation is largely reproduced in all the most advanced military-industrial complexes.

On exopolitics.org there is a statement that most military institutions are contaminated but that a group within the US Navy is relatively clean, particularly from several years in deep space interacting with profound alien groups. That has given rise to the Artemis Accords

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On exopolitics.org there is a statement that most military institutions are contaminated but that a group within the US Navy is relatively clean, particularly from several years in deep space interacting with profound alien groups. That has given rise to the Artemis Accords
Thanks for this new avenue to hear ideas. I'll have to peruse.

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Amor wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:36 am I am not sure that is the best dichotomy.

Once I had an inner plane look at the supreme body of a dictatorship and saw only 3 genuine humans out of perhaps 10 at the table. The rest were passing as human to propagate the purposes of their own groups.
What do you mean by "inner plane look?"

I've taken a look at a few of the videos talked about in the Exopolitics site, and am pleased to have been turned onto a new possible source of realistic information or paths of self exploration in the interview with Darius Wright. He seems like he has a good head on his shoulders and isn't just jerking people around.

Other videos I've watched insist that there are rogue elements within the ET civilizations involved with doing stuff on Earth. This may be true, how the heck could I possibly know? However, I think it's more plausible that it's humans doing things like trafficking of other humans (given Michael Herrera's testimony). I mean, these ETs have nearly unlimited energy and direct manifestation production techniques, they don't really need anything from humans.

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dRider wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:03 pm...

What do you mean by "inner plane look?"

In that case the inner plane look was not using my physical eyes but rather sight organs developed on the mental plane. It takes practice on the relevant plane, but sometimes another entity may share that part of its light-body to assist.

dRider wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:03 pm...

I mean, these ETs have nearly unlimited energy and direct manifestation production techniques, they don't really need anything from humans.
It seems that quite a few species (some that are actually ET) like to feed off human life force. This may be because most humans anchor life force from profound levels

Also some alien species have lost the ability to reproduce and are using human females to produce hybrids suitable for use on Earth. There are many accounts of phantom pregnancies where the female is later abducted to a ufo to nurture their hybrid child.

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To the first, ahh, I see. No pun intended. I've read of such extra sight in books like We, the Arcturians. I think humans have more recently begun to develop such organs, or at least have them available for development. It takes considerable work and doesn't often happen, but I've experienced it.

To the second: but how do you know? These are things I've seen on TV and some of the less credible YT channels, but much of it seems based on fear, so I have dismissed them as anything more than entertainment. Is the above mentioned site your source, or could you further elucidate?

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> humans have more recently begun to develop such organs

It does take a lot of practice on the planes on which sight is required. Some theoretical physicists get quite good at that. For example Einstein imagined what it was like to travel down a sunbeam and the experience resulted in his Special Theory of Relativity.

>how do you know?

I look for myself and construct metaphysical experiments. Sometimes have a friend watch while I do the experiments - or I watch their experiments.

For example: if there is a decision to be made and I am unsure, I will make the decision and then go forward a year to see if I still like the decision. If not, I will go back in time to before making the decision and make a new decision and again jump forward to see if I like the results.

My friends find that easy to do, and I can observe their process.


When you can control your emotions and thoughts, it is somewhat safe to interact with non-physical entities. When I read accounts of alien interaction, I may project to the source/time and interact with the situation.

Generally the most predatory aliens have been banned from this solar system - with some exceptions caused by humans using free will. MJ12 is an obvious example

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The Artemis Accords for the ethical management of this solar system have been signed by 68 nations. The ethical standards are much better than those nations practice on this planet.

The 68 have signed up so as not to miss out on the alien technology that is offered.

Apparently China is not trusted so excluded. Russia is an unofficial member.

You may find some of the Artemis material is taken straight from Star Trek with its Prime Directive. That was an earlier and then later attempt to establish ethical principles for humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive


https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-accords/

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