I need some guidance

[Nyx11]

Hello guys I'm nyx I'm into demonology,demonolatry for 2+years I spent those years just by gaining theoretical knowledge, but whichever book or resource I study is more related to kabbalic , hebrew and more things which is still i don't understand but rather than evoking i also spent my time on practicing in energy, grounding and other energy related stuffs, many books say different things to do , I'm not clear , but I'm struggling to invoke astaroth can anyone here can give some guidance and tips in this matter
All welcomed !! Sorry I'm not a native English speaker!!

[WildWolf]

The Complete Book of Demonolatry by S. Connoly (might be a good place to start). She's got lots of books on that sphere. I don't have any experience working with Astaroth.....but no matter what intelligence your seeking to commune with....the pattern is usually the same.

1. Research the Spirit
2. Divination
3. Summon spirit for conversation
4. Make offerings
5. Get to work

In my experience....just saying the name of an inteliigence, gets there attention and they may take a peak, but you say your "struggling" to invoke? May consider doing some work on developing subtle sensitivity, it will make conversations easier.

[Nyx11]

Thanks wildwolf but in some books I came to know that we can invoke or connect with spirits without materials or stuffs , by visualization techniques in our mind like creating an altar in our mind is that possible by will??

[CCoburn]

Hello guys I'm nyx I'm into demonology,demonolatry for 2+years I spent those years just by gaining theoretical knowledge, but whichever book or resource I study is more related to kabbalic , hebrew and more things which is still i don't understand but rather than evoking i also spent my time on practicing in energy, grounding and other energy related stuffs, many books say different things to do , I'm not clear , but I'm struggling to invoke astaroth can anyone here can give some guidance and tips in this matter
All welcomed !! Sorry I'm not a native English speaker!!

Evocation Vs Invocation

There are three different interpretations here:

1. It makes no difference which you use; they are interchangeable.
2. Evocation: to petition. To summon an entity or demon to come before you e.g. to ask a favor or to perform a particular task.
3. Invocation: to call a deity, intelligence, or some other benevolent entity within your consciousness for the purpose of expanding/augmenting your consciousness.

These align with the Hermetic terms of "within" and "without": evocation(without); invocation(within).

In this context a demonic invocation would be tantamount to a demonic possession. These might also be applied to a circle as calling either inside the circle or outside of it. I've never used a circle myself but also wasn't summoning demons either. I was never concerned much about my safety but was just trying to affect via ritual to manifest whatever results I could get.

For me this was all mostly just a phase I went through.

[WildWolf]

Thanks wildwolf but in some books I came to know that we can invoke or connect with spirits without materials or stuffs , by visualization techniques in our mind like creating an altar in our mind is that possible by will??

There are a lot of different methods out there, you can make magick really complicated or really simple, I also prefer simplicity (very few physical materials). Offerings are "payment", for work being done. For most spirits, offerings are mandatory....not many volunteers, out in the ether.

All of the steps I gave before summoning, were basically "information gathering". Learning about the intelligence your working with is of great value and divination can help you side-step disasters ahead of time.

[Amor]

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In this context a demonic invocation would be tantamount to a demonic possession. ...

I have often found adverse spirits/energies look good. These days I test carefully before unwrapping

[Nyx11]

What are those methods wildwolf, I use visualization, chanting enns and sigil meditation and using this oncebi felt a strong energy field around me but again I tried those but not came as expected !!
Your opinion!!

[CCoburn]

I have often found adverse spirits/energies look good. These days I test carefully before unwrapping

A good percentage of 'results' relating to this evocation/invocation phenomenon can be reduced to a placebo effect or just pure fantasy as some 'entities' documented in literature either no longer exist or have never existed at all.

[Cerber]

From my own experience, vast majority of the "old ones" do exist, most just "moved on with the times", "re-branded" and now are known under different names, some stayed behind, but often some far behind they might be nearly impossible to reach for anyone but the most experienced and most persistent travellers, and then there are others "forbidden", for whatever reasons, pathways and links to those are "firewalled", monitored, guarded and "guards" are very vile.
Either case, first thing on the list, for everyone starting exploring outer layers, is to get your own "equipment" in order, to learn to see and hear well. If practitioner is considered to be "blind and deaf", they will often going to be ignored, unless they persist regardless to the level of becoming nuisance.

[WildWolf]

What are those methods wildwolf, I use visualization, chanting enns and sigil meditation and using this oncebi felt a strong energy field around me but again I tried those but not came as expected !!
Your opinion!!

If you want to make magick really complicated, pick up a book on Ritualistic Magick or maybe study the Golden Dawn curriculum. Within those types of formal systems....you can spend days, weeks and even months prepping for a single evocation. Enns, sigils, meditation......that's all good tech.

For cleaning of your psychic senses to get better feedback, there are lots of methods, I enjoy mantra tech.

O Man Zin......tis a fun bit of mantra tech for dusting of the energy body.

[Nyx11]

Why complicated , is that possible to make simple and structured ? And what u mean by mantra tech?? And before evocations how to know their presence any suggestions??

[WildWolf]

Why complicated , is that possible to make simple and structured ? And what u mean by mantra tech?? And before evocations how to know their presence any suggestions??

Mantra is just one kind of tech, for evoking energies and there effects. The mantra I shared there, has some good stuff for 3rd eye cleansing (psychic sensitivity). Mantra (key sounds) are very common among the occult and mystical traditions of the world.

You seem to have lots of holes in your occult foundation, taking a course might be helpful.
-Strategic Sorcery (Jason Miller)
-Rune Soup (Gordon White)

[Amor]

Why complicated , is that possible to make simple and structured ? And what u mean by mantra tech?? And before evocations how to know their presence any suggestions??

The simplest way is to unfold the inner structure of the human so that it takes its natural roles within the Cosmos

Humans however are taught self-sabotage - to look outside themselves for spiritual authority.

[CCoburn]

Affecting Deities | Intelligences | Entities


This is a quick and dirty ritual template that I used to use:

1. Modes of consciousness are important. You may have to alter your normal mode of consciousness. No anonymous user on the internet can tell you how to do this. You have to figure it out for yourself.

1.a. In conjunction with the various sleep modes: hypnagogic, hypnopompic, lucid dreaming et cetera.

2. Choose an existing and observable entity such as a solar deity or planetary intelligence.

3. Practice vocalizing the syllables of its name until it sounds beautiful. A divine name should sound divine e.g. tap tharth ar ut (spirit of Mercury), or yay ho va el o ah va da ut – God made manifest (associated with the Sun); the 6th sphere – Tiferet/Tiphareth(Tee-far-et).

4. Choose a candle color/light frequency for the ritual e.g. from Liber 777.

5. Fragrance e.g. Jasmine for a darker current associated with the Moon.