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Original post: hunterwitch_bloodpact

i understand that im just makin a point by jokin about it

Original post: Athena

[QUOTE=Venefica;358921]I have not seen this concept in any ancient texts, not legends. The closest is the legends of dampiri, the offspring of vampires that often was said to have a non human soul, as well as to some extent the legends of changelings. Fay replacing human children, the changeling child looking human but having a fairy soul. Other then that the only place I have heard abut something similar is among otherkin, not that th otherkin movement is a bad thing.[/QUOTE]

There is a lot in the old texts, papyri, legends and so on, you just have to research. It may take years, but at least it is interesting research :>. Of course the term otherkin wasn't ever used until more recently...

Athena

Original post: Venefica

I am not saying there is not any of this in the old texts, hey it would be infinity cool if it was, but what I just wonder is that other than those that believe in this religion, why have no other Egyptologist or translator found it?

I believe strongly that when one follow a religion one should not just accept what a book tell you, nor what the leader of the religion or front figures claim, but actually investigate the evidence for the claims for one self.

Original post: EtuMalku

Aside from my previous explanation of Horus' incarnating as primordial vampire, the story of Sekhmet is also vampiric and there are still others.
There are Egyptologists who concur with these findings
I find it interesting that you would take one book's source and information over another's? All are merely translations and I tend to trust those with Higher Spiritual abilities than those with academics.

Venefica said: I believe strongly that when one follow a religion one should not just accept what a book tell you, nor what the leader of the religion or front figures claim, but actually investigate the evidence for the claims for one self.

Which religions are there where the majority of it is not based on faith & spirituality?
Do you believe that I have blindly succumbed to Asetianism without looking into it and asking questions?

Further info to check out

In ancient Egypt we can trace certain parallels to the Assyrian beliefs, for the ancient Egyptians held that every man had his ka, his double, which when he died lived in the tomb with the body and was there visited by the khu, the spiritual body or soul which at death departed from the body, and although it might visit the body, could only be brought back from its habitation in heaven by the ceremonial performance of certain mystic rites. Yet from one point of view the soul was sufficiently material to partake of the funeral offerings which were brought to the tomb for the refreshment of the ka. One of the chief objects of these sepulchral oblations was to maintain the double in the tomb so that it should not be compelled to wander abroad in search of food. But, as in Assyria, unless the ka were bountifully supplied with food it would issue forth from the tomb and be driven to eat any offal or drink any brackish water it might find. The ka occupied a special part of the tomb, "the house of the ka," and a priest called "the priest of the ka" was appointed specially to minister to it therein. The ka snuffed up the sweet smell of incense which was very agreeable to it when this was burned on certain days each year with the offerings of flowers, herbs, meat and drink in all of which it took great delight. The ka also viewed with pleasure the various scenes which were sculptured or richly painted on the walls of the tomb. In fact it was not merely capable, but desirous of material consolations. It would appear even that in later times the khu was identified with the ka.

Setem-Ansi (from The Egyptian Book of the Dead . . I think?)

He had been given to the temple at a very young age, and he was training to be a priest. Now, the temple he was pledged to was a temple of wisdom. The priests dedicated their lives to collecting knowledge, expanding upon it, and storing it for future generations. Part of the wisdom this temple safe-guarded was the magick of healing â?? not medicine only of the body, but subtle techniques and secrets of the soul.

The priesthood of this temple believed in reincarnation. However, in their view, the soul, although it retained a core identity, was made to leave behind all details and knowledge of its previous life before it took up another. The boy-priest Setem-Ansi heard this lesson and rebelled against it. If the templeâ??s goal was the collection and preservation of wisdom, why were its priests robbed of their hard-earned knowledge life after life?

So he set about changing things. In the understanding of that long-ago temple, there were several parts to a personâ??s soul. When a man died, it was believed that a part of the soul flew forth to return to its creator. In the arms of the creator, the soul would rest, replenish itself, and forget its previous self. Once it had thus been cleansed and renewed, it was free to fly forth to take up a new incarnation.

By the teachings of the temple, this part of the soul was tied to a physical and metaphysical part of the body. It rested in the energy center just beneath the navel, for it functioned as a kind of umbilical. Using the knowledge the temple had acquired of the subtle body and various techniques for working with and healing this, Setem-Ansi found a way to sever this umbilical, thus freeing his spirit from the cycle of forgetting.

There were several complications. While it is true that Setem-Ansiâ??s alteration made his spirit independent and self-aware even when it disincarnated, the alteration also severed the tie his spirit had enjoyed to the replenishing energy of the universal source. And thus was he made vampiric, needing to replenish himself from the energy of others, for this was already attuned to the human form that he wore. Furthermore, it altered all his sensitivities to energy to the point where these nearly incapacitated him until he was able to understand and adjust.

Original post: Centrix

EtuMalku;360735 wrote:Aside from my previous explanation of Horus' incarnating as primordial vampire, the story of Sekhmet is also vampiric and there are still others.

Funny thing about ancient mythology is that you can interpret the stories and meanings any way you wish.

An example would be Reinhold Merkelbach's assumption that the classical novels of the second centuries were literarly elaborations of rituals for mystery cults, including that of Isis.

I find it interesting that you would take one book's source and information over another's?

That is what you are doing, as I am seeing it. Especially a modern book with a religious agenda that shies away from academic institutions and sets itself up as unfalsifiable.

All are merely translations and I tend to trust those with Higher Spiritual abilities than those with academics.

An important question for your consideration: what constituties "Higher Spiritual abilities," and how do you know this with utter certainty? Could they be pulling your leg? Or, could they be completely convinced of the authenticity of their beliefs and authority yet really be self-delusional? What separates authentic knowledge from belief, faith, or delusion in your epistemology?

Do you believe that I have blindly succumbed to Asetianism without looking into it and asking questions?

I am completely convinced you have seriously looked into it, asked questions, and never blindly succumbed to Asetianism. And most people have done the same regarding any religion, including Christianity. However, I do not think your efforts were free of bias to steer you, consciously or unconsciously, to the answers you deeply wish to find and not notice other options and possibilities. Sort of like a self-fulfulling prophecy.

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Centrix;360813]Funny thing about ancient mythology is that you can interpret the stories and meanings any way you wish. True, perhaps the hieroglyphs speak differently to everyone that reads them?


An example would be Merkelbach's assumption that the classical novels of the second centuries were literarly elaborations of rituals for mystery cults, including that of Isis.




That is what you are doing, as I am seeing it. Especially a modern book with a religious agenda that shies away from academic institutions and sets itself up as unfalsifiable. The Asetian Bible is an abridged text from a collection of ancient Egyptian texts that the Aset Ka have in their possession, though they were kind enough to print a section of the Egyptian Book of Nun (Egyptian Cosmogony)
How does it shy away from academic institutions? Have you even read it?



An important question for your consideration: what constituties "Higher Spiritual abilities," and how do you know this with utter certainty? Could they be pulling your leg? Or, could they be completely convinced of the authenticity of their beliefs yet really be self-delusional? What separates authentic knowledge from belief, faith, or delusion in your epistemology?
One knows for certain when one has experienced it first hand.


I am completely convinced you have seriously looked into it, asked questions, and never blindly succumbed to Asetianism. And most people have done the same regarding any religion, including Christianity. However, I do not think your efforts were free of bias to steer you, consciously or unconsciously, to the answers you deeply wish to find and not notice other options and possibilities. Sort of like a self-fulfulling prophecy.[/QUOTE]
You are entitled to your opinion, though it is being based on what you know about a person on an internet forum, do you know what I do for a living? Where I have been, what my studies are? Anything really at all? . . . talk about prophetic,

Original post: Centrix

True, perhaps the hieroglyphs speak differently to everyone that reads them?

That would invalidate the interpretation you follow, and make any interpretation whatever meaningless if it is so subject to personal whim and subjective hunches.

How does it shy away from academic institutions?

If it is making the claim that one of its books is dated to a past time period (instead of being just a claim of the most genuine interpretation from a modern author, and even then), I have yet to run across "The Asetian Bible, The Egyptian Book of Nun" reviewed in any archaeological or academic journal. Maybe I am not looking hard enough, though.

One knows for certain when one has experienced it first hand.

How can you experience first hand someone else's spiritual development?

You are entitled to your opinion.

Learning a bit of critical thinking and having a discerning eye beats having opinions any day.

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Centrix;360823]True, perhaps the hieroglyphs speak differently to everyone that reads them?

That would invalidate the interpretation you follow, and make any interpretation whatever meaningless if it is so subject to personal whim and subjective hunches. No, that would leave those that do not have the insight to see the altruistic meanings in the Egyptian language at a deficit.

How does it shy away from academic institutions?

If it is making the claim that one of its books is dated to a past time period (instead of being just a claim of the most genuine interpretation from a modern author), I have yet to run across "The Asetian Bible, The Egyptian Book of Nun" reviewed in any archaeological or academic journal. Maybe I am not looking hard enough, though. This may be

One knows for certain when one has experienced it first hand.

How can you experience first hand someone else's spiritual development? I wasn't aware that this was what you were asking? Sorry, I didn't read the comment clearly . . . no, you are right then, I can't understand anyone else's Spiritual development

You are entitled to your opinion.

Learning a bit of critical thinking and having a discerning eye beats having opinions any day.[/QUOTE] Not knowing the person of whom you are speaking about arouses suspicion.

Original post: Centrix

EtuMalku;360848 wrote:Not knowing the person of whom you are speaking about arouses suspicion.

This is about your words, not who you are.

Are you still convinced the Asetian Bible is objectively accurate in terms of literal history and literal "truth" or are you starting to see that it is only subjectively meaningful and true to its adherents instead? This skips the weird assumptions and unverifiable claims and makes it more clear to look at. That does not invalidate its practicality to yourself, if it does produce the results you desire. When we can not verify a claim, it makes no sense to see it as true and valid because it has not been invalidated or the reverse, seeing it as invalid because it has not been validated. It is essentially up in the air. Throw away your conviction in any which side, then. You will be standing in the middle, and it is more calmer and peaceful there.

Also, this is only about the history claims we are taking. I haven't had time to look at the metaphysical claims regarding vampires, souls, energy, reincarnation, humans, and the whole gamut. That's a different story.

Original post: EtuMalku

LOL . . .are we having a little TOV vs AK tiff, you & I?
I am convinced that the Aset Ka know what is the truth and are what they say they are.
But, I think it beneficial for both of us to discuss our paths intelligently and maybe gain some gnosis from one another.

Original post: Centrix

It is about having a neutral mind outside any strong emotional opinion regardless of the topic or subject.

Again, you remain convinced. Tell me why you feel the way you do?

Original post: EtuMalku

Centrix, that is hard to put into perspective.
I am 47, a good amount of that time I have been involved in the Occult & studied comparative religions. I am also a, now retired, musician and only compose. When I began my relationship with the Aset Ka I began to realize that what they had to say made so more sense than everything else I knew. Metaphysics became clear and confusions between religious dogma was tidied up.
The members that I am in touch with have an incredible wealth of knowledge and logic that seems to be without end.
They are calm, intelligent, composed, focused almost to a fault, they are most godlyke. The Aset Ka's members are many and they keep very quiet (despite the Book . . lol).
I am honored to be composing music for this Order and have found them to be the most altruistic belief system I have known.

I know this is probably not what you asked for, but it is what I am feeling at the moment.

Original post: Centrix

Very good. But does this validate the claims made? I am sure there is a Scientologist (or a few more) out there that fit the description you gave. Would that mean Hubbard was right? Try Scientology. It will probably give you the same feeling of sense and certainty. What you explained is an emotional reaction and feeling. So, are emotional reactions valid sources of objective knowledge to your mind?

Original post: EtuMalku

I'm sorry Centrix, but despite my candor you remain condescending.
Our conversation is over.

Original post: Aurum

Doesn't the 'ka' feel pain?

Original post: Venefica

Which religions are there where the majority of it is not based on faith & spirituality?
Do you believe that I have blindly succumbed to Asetianism without looking into it and asking questions?

I do not know much about you so I have no way of knowing if you have or no. But up until now, the proof you have presented is the Asetian Bible say so. For all I know you have done years and years of research, I am not saying that, I am saying you have not presented much other sources of information in this tread. Again I do not mean to insult.

One of the chief objects of these sepulchral oblations was to maintain the double in the tomb so that it should not be compelled to wander abroad in search of food. But, as in Assyria, unless the ka were bountifully supplied with food it would issue forth from the tomb and be driven to eat any offal or drink any brackish water it might find.

This is a common theme in many old burial customs, to give food to the corpse so it would not rise or become angry. Viking Chieftains was buried in their ships with much treasure, including animals, slaves, gold and so on. It was believed that the soul needed such things to travel safely to the afterlife. Shinto families have shrines where they offer food an innocence to the Spirits of their dead. Believing these Spirits remain on Earth to guide them. Most cultures have or have had a tradition of offering material things to the honored dead to sustain or comfort them, this is not unique to Egypt. I also fail to see what this have to do with the type of vampirism you speak of.

If we where talking about legendary vampirism yes. The beings the term vampire was coined for, the Spirit of a dead person rising from it's grave to feed of the Energy of the living, then yes I could understand this line of debate but as what we are discussing is real life, living vampires I fail to see the point.

I have heard of some Egyptian magician trying to find immortality by keeping their soul in one piece through reincarnation. I have studied that as for a transhumanist it is a nice last resort, but it have nothing to do with vampirism, but have to do with keeping the mind and the Soul in one piece.

All are merely translations and I tend to trust those with Higher Spiritual abilities than those with academics.

I more trust those with an academic ability to translate and then I can make my own Spiritual interpretation when I read it. But I prefer a work to be translated with as little religions dogma involved as possible.

If it is making the claim that one of its books is dated to a past time period (instead of being just a claim of the most genuine interpretation from a modern author, and even then), I have yet to run across "The Asetian Bible, The Egyptian Book of Nun" reviewed in any archaeological or academic journal. Maybe I am not looking hard enough, though.

This is a very good point. Why have not this book been even mentioned in the archaeological community if it is legit?

Original post: EtuMalku

I really don't have all the answers to your questions (and they are good questions). Unfortunately, I am not an Asetian nor belong to the Aset Ka, so I really don't have those answers.

Original post: Hairetikos

Vampire occultism is very close to being tapped out. Next they'll have to move onto other mythological creatures. Zombie occultism sounds interesting.... as does werewolf. There's probably already something like that done, huh? We're very concerned with names and titles here, qualifiers. Some dude said "success is thy proof", and that's not bad advice. We'd probably get a lot more accomplished if we all stopped bitching and posturing and whatnot.

Original post: AETERNITAS0

[QUOTE=Hairetikos;361142]Vampire occultism is very close to being tapped out. Next they'll have to move onto other mythological creatures. Zombie occultism sounds interesting.... as does werewolf. There's probably already something like that done, huh? We're very concerned with names and titles here, qualifiers. Some dude said "success is thy proof", and that's not bad advice. We'd probably get a lot more accomplished if we all stopped bitching and posturing and whatnot.[/QUOTE]


Yea, occult werewolves. It's called, generally, lycanthropy. And zombies? Helloooooo, Haitian zombie Voudoo?

Original post: AETERNITAS0

If some lout goth kid told me he were a vampire, I'd laugh as I have done so many times in the past.

If someone who were skilled in say, energy work, told me they were a vampire, I'd get them far away from me.

If someone told me they utilize the human life force of the world to gain power, wealth and status, I would say "kudos" to them, I would gain their trust, and then kill them and steal their power and wealth when they least expected it. Treachery and greed begets treachery and greed.
I could never stand the greedy power hungry types.

Original post: Venefica

There are many goth kids out there that claim to be vampires just to feel special, there is also many serious practitioners. Perhaps the word vampire is to associated with Hollywood. Perhaps another word should be used, but the fact remain that there are pepole that from need or greed suck life force from others, some do it straight out, some use blood, some use Energy.

As for goth kids are is any worse to imitate being a vampire than being a movie star? Pepole want to feel special, to feel they belong. Many kids dress just like some star do, go to American Idol competitions even if they can not sing at all. Is trying to live the vampire lifestyle any worse?

Original post: AETERNITAS0

yes, it is.

Original post: AstralMagickCraft

To the intentional vampires:

"So you realize that a world of magick, psychic powers, self discovery and metaphysical gold await you, everything you have been taught about reality is a lie, by using your mind alone you can manipulate reality...

...and use this newfound realization to give auntie em a headache?"

Original post: Hairetikos

AETERNITAS0;361171 wrote:Yea, occult werewolves. It's called, generally, lycanthropy. And zombies? Helloooooo, Haitian zombie Voudoo?

Of course. But this perspective discussed here involves becoming, not simply accepting their alleged existence somewhere. Becoming werewolf, becoming zombie. Everyone seems to want to be a mythological creature. As if being human isn't complicated enough. You may have missed the sarcasm of my previous post. Hard to convey that in written word.

Original post: Venefica

yes, it is.

And why is this? Why is it worse to pretend to be a vampire than to pretend to be a pop star?