Original post: EtuMalku
[QUOTE=Venefica;361192]There are many goth kids out there that claim to be vampires just to feel special, there is also many serious practitioners. Perhaps the word vampire is to associated with Hollywood. Perhaps another word should be used, but the fact remain that there are pepole that from need or greed suck life force from others, some do it straight out, some use blood, some use Energy.
As for goth kids are is any worse to imitate being a vampire than being a movie star? Pepole want to feel special, to feel they belong. Many kids dress just like some star do, go to American Idol competitions even if they can not sing at all. Is trying to live the vampire lifestyle any worse?[/QUOTE]Em hotep Venefica, I agree, it is called Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Psychoanalyst Carl Jung has written intensively about it with references to the vampire.
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[QUOTE=Venefica;361353]And why is this? Why is it worse to pretend to be a vampire than to pretend to be a pop star?[/QUOTE]
it's easier to be popular if you pretend to be a pop star then a vampire XD
[QUOTE=AETERNITAS0;361172]If some lout goth kid told me he were a vampire, I'd laugh as I have done so many times in the past.
If someone who were skilled in say, energy work, told me they were a vampire, I'd get them far away from me.
If someone told me they utilize the human life force of the world to gain power, wealth and status, I would say "kudos" to them, I would gain their trust, and then kill them and steal their power and wealth when they least expected it. Treachery and greed begets treachery and greed.
I could never stand the greedy power hungry types.[/QUOTE]
very reassuring :eh:
[QUOTE=Venefica;361353]And why is this? Why is it worse to pretend to be a vampire than to pretend to be a pop star?[/QUOTE]
it's easier to be popular if you pretend to be a pop star then a vampire XD
[QUOTE=AETERNITAS0;361172]If some lout goth kid told me he were a vampire, I'd laugh as I have done so many times in the past.
If someone who were skilled in say, energy work, told me they were a vampire, I'd get them far away from me.
If someone told me they utilize the human life force of the world to gain power, wealth and status, I would say "kudos" to them, I would gain their trust, and then kill them and steal their power and wealth when they least expected it. Treachery and greed begets treachery and greed.
I could never stand the greedy power hungry types.[/QUOTE]
very reassuring :eh:
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Original post: Venefica
And why is there a point to be popular, why should other people's approval be a goal in itself?it's easier to be popular if you pretend to be a pop star then a vampire XD
For some, for others it is the same reason why pepole make a food of themself on reality TV, to be able to gain a little bit of fame and by that feel special.Em hotep Venefica, I agree, it is called Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Psychoanalyst Carl Jung has written intensively about it with references to the vampire.
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Original post: sami999x
well, normally as a vampire, you *should* be able to drain. But you should also be strong, and not get sick/skinny when you stop draining. Also live fine without desperately draining
Other than that, when anyone gets sick/skinny due to *merely not draining*, that is just the church damaging your chakras.
Thelema exercizes help rebuild your chakras as energy bursts in.
well, normally as a vampire, you *should* be able to drain. But you should also be strong, and not get sick/skinny when you stop draining. Also live fine without desperately draining
Other than that, when anyone gets sick/skinny due to *merely not draining*, that is just the church damaging your chakras.
Thelema exercizes help rebuild your chakras as energy bursts in.
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Original post: Venefica
Ah I see that must be why I that am not baptized and come from a non Christian family have these Energy problems, the Church is to blame. Oh praise you, all my problems are solved, if we could only stop the evil Church damaging people's Chakras then all will be fine. Bad Pope take that Solar Plexus Chakra out of your mouth right now! Honestly do you not think that is a little bit paranoid?Other than that, when anyone gets sick/skinny due to *merely not draining*, that is just the church damaging your chakras.
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Original post: dr. ski wampas
[QUOTE=Venefica;361192]There are many goth kids out there that claim to be vampires just to feel special, there is also many serious practitioners. Perhaps the word vampire is to associated with Hollywood. Perhaps another word should be used, but the fact remain that there are pepole that from need or greed suck life force from others, some do it straight out, some use blood, some use Energy.[/quote]
this is not a need. if you have social or family problems or are a misfit and dont understand the psychological implications of, and solution to these problems, you may develope tendancies to in some way, leech off of other healthier people... i went through that for a while and got over it... i did heroin, and became a liar, and often did things to make me look good so i could get in close with people i needed to feel were my friends... thank god i never became a goth, or delluded myself into thinking i was a vapire by ANY deffinition.
[QUOTE=Venefica;361353]And why is this? Why is it worse to pretend to be a vampire than to pretend to be a pop star?[/QUOTE]
because you should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever pretend to be something you arent... it's even worse when you pretend to be something you can never be. like a vampire. i am not saying popularity and fame and vanity and all that shit matters... dress how you want. talk how you want. don't insist you are something you are not.
when you are living your life as a vampire, or something equally lame, than you are doing so most likely because of something that happened, or something you can't quite come to terms with in your life, that makes you feel inadequate as you are normally, or unsuccessful, etc. as a human around your peers, and so you have to believe that it must be because you are in fact... a vampire! ...or a dragon! ...or an elf! or something equally bizzare and further alienating from the rest of us.
yeah yeah, do what you will.... but that isn't a "just because" thing. it has more to do with the fact that you should do whatever you feel brings you closer to a full expression of yourself, because there is nothing that will happen to you, that isn't supposed to happen, to teach you in exactly the way that is right for you, who you really are and what your life should be about. (IMO)
so if you feel like it's your will to live out this ellaborate fantasy, than deal with the disillusion that may occur when you realise that it's not cool to be playing it out into your 60's... even if you find yourself a suitable vampire mate, i'm sure your kids wont like it much when all their schoolyard chums find out that he's the weird kid with the even weirder parents.
you are born a human. no matter how disillusioned you get with our species, or bitter against the things that have occured in your life or whatever, you cannot experience something here that will change that and so it makes it alot easier if you just accept it and be comfortable about it. whatever promise of power, or ability is a bogus reason to say that being human isn't good enough. you are already born with an eternal soul, and i'd much rather have that than physical immortality. you have just as much capacity and ability for power as any other person born human, and whether you want to call yourself a magickian, or a vampire, or a kung fu master, it really doesnt matter.
as far as it goes for Etu, all i have to say is that to the manson family it sure seemed like he had all the answers.
if i fed you a ton of acid or something, i could tell you anything in the right way you might hand your will over to me on a gold platter... if i find the right way to reach you, and really touch a nerve i might not even need the drugs.
this aset stuff sounds like a fuckin cult... and a real lame one at that. probably composed of people like i already described who are just thrilled that they can look into the past and interpret it in whatever way they want, to fit their little fantasy and not have to embrace the greatest part of any of that religious stuff...
the human experience.
the idea that you should be able to maintain your identity throughout your new incarnation is a vain one. if you incarnate again, why should you still be "you"? if you have faith that you are, than just be comfortable in knowing that you are still learning and may reach nirvana after. part of that is realising that this identity is an illusion. granted to you, by the infinate grace and generosity of whatever god to serve a specific purpose.
talk about blasphemy.
to the OP... i too am VERY TIRED OF "VAMPIRES".
you want to know what it's like to have to feed off of someone or something, and experience the hell that you go through without, and to know what it's like to live your life for the sole purpose of this sustanance, knowing nothing but lonliness and hunger, all i have to say is go start shooting up heroin... anything even slightly resembling the concept of vampirism might just have it's novelty thrown away after that.
[QUOTE=Venefica;361192]There are many goth kids out there that claim to be vampires just to feel special, there is also many serious practitioners. Perhaps the word vampire is to associated with Hollywood. Perhaps another word should be used, but the fact remain that there are pepole that from need or greed suck life force from others, some do it straight out, some use blood, some use Energy.[/quote]
this is not a need. if you have social or family problems or are a misfit and dont understand the psychological implications of, and solution to these problems, you may develope tendancies to in some way, leech off of other healthier people... i went through that for a while and got over it... i did heroin, and became a liar, and often did things to make me look good so i could get in close with people i needed to feel were my friends... thank god i never became a goth, or delluded myself into thinking i was a vapire by ANY deffinition.
[QUOTE=Venefica;361353]And why is this? Why is it worse to pretend to be a vampire than to pretend to be a pop star?[/QUOTE]
because you should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever pretend to be something you arent... it's even worse when you pretend to be something you can never be. like a vampire. i am not saying popularity and fame and vanity and all that shit matters... dress how you want. talk how you want. don't insist you are something you are not.
when you are living your life as a vampire, or something equally lame, than you are doing so most likely because of something that happened, or something you can't quite come to terms with in your life, that makes you feel inadequate as you are normally, or unsuccessful, etc. as a human around your peers, and so you have to believe that it must be because you are in fact... a vampire! ...or a dragon! ...or an elf! or something equally bizzare and further alienating from the rest of us.
yeah yeah, do what you will.... but that isn't a "just because" thing. it has more to do with the fact that you should do whatever you feel brings you closer to a full expression of yourself, because there is nothing that will happen to you, that isn't supposed to happen, to teach you in exactly the way that is right for you, who you really are and what your life should be about. (IMO)
so if you feel like it's your will to live out this ellaborate fantasy, than deal with the disillusion that may occur when you realise that it's not cool to be playing it out into your 60's... even if you find yourself a suitable vampire mate, i'm sure your kids wont like it much when all their schoolyard chums find out that he's the weird kid with the even weirder parents.
you are born a human. no matter how disillusioned you get with our species, or bitter against the things that have occured in your life or whatever, you cannot experience something here that will change that and so it makes it alot easier if you just accept it and be comfortable about it. whatever promise of power, or ability is a bogus reason to say that being human isn't good enough. you are already born with an eternal soul, and i'd much rather have that than physical immortality. you have just as much capacity and ability for power as any other person born human, and whether you want to call yourself a magickian, or a vampire, or a kung fu master, it really doesnt matter.
as far as it goes for Etu, all i have to say is that to the manson family it sure seemed like he had all the answers.
if i fed you a ton of acid or something, i could tell you anything in the right way you might hand your will over to me on a gold platter... if i find the right way to reach you, and really touch a nerve i might not even need the drugs.
this aset stuff sounds like a fuckin cult... and a real lame one at that. probably composed of people like i already described who are just thrilled that they can look into the past and interpret it in whatever way they want, to fit their little fantasy and not have to embrace the greatest part of any of that religious stuff...
the human experience.
the idea that you should be able to maintain your identity throughout your new incarnation is a vain one. if you incarnate again, why should you still be "you"? if you have faith that you are, than just be comfortable in knowing that you are still learning and may reach nirvana after. part of that is realising that this identity is an illusion. granted to you, by the infinate grace and generosity of whatever god to serve a specific purpose.
talk about blasphemy.
to the OP... i too am VERY TIRED OF "VAMPIRES".
you want to know what it's like to have to feed off of someone or something, and experience the hell that you go through without, and to know what it's like to live your life for the sole purpose of this sustanance, knowing nothing but lonliness and hunger, all i have to say is go start shooting up heroin... anything even slightly resembling the concept of vampirism might just have it's novelty thrown away after that.
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Original post: EtuMalku
It's more like dr. ski wampas is talking out dr. ski wampas' ass!
So, how did you arrive at your simpleton conclusions about all of this?
I can't believe I'm wasting my time on you . . here's your infantile explanation correctly stated: .
Psychological Perspectives on Vampirism
A psychological structure grounded in the collective unconscious
Vampire stories reflect the unconscious world of polymorphous perverse infantile sexuality
Oedipus Complex
Conscious awareness of these feelings and associated wishes raises the anxiety level of the child to unacceptable levels, ego defenses come into playto prevent the conscious mind from becoming aware of these dangerous impulses.
It is the function of dreams to disguise these wishes into more acceptable forms.
Vampire image is a fantasy image related to these wishes.
Jung believed these universally reflected experiences to be understood as an expression of what he termed the "shadow," aspects of the self that the conscious ego was unable to recognize.
This shadow contained repressed wishes, anti-social impulses, morally questionable motives, childish fantasies of grandiose nature, and other traits felt to be shameful.
The vampire image serves as a scapegoat as it allows us to disown the negative aspects of our personalities.
Auto-erotic, or otherwise narcissistic personality traits can result in a personality that is in fact predatory, anti-social, and parasitic on life energy of others. This is called "narcissistic personality disorder"
"Mirror-hungry" personalities thirst for self objects whose confirming and admiring responses will nourish their famished self. Often manifesting into arrogant superiority called "a grandiose retreat".
When a child cannot experience adequate mirroring, its infantile grandiosity cannot be transformed into a mature psychological structure identified by its more realistic sense of self esteem.
Narcissistic wounds often lead the individual to seek narcissistic nourishment through sexual activity.
Narcissistic rage seeks the utter destruction of the independant personhood of the other - either through death or ruthless enslavement and exploitation.. Thus the vampire within projects its image onto the other - thereby justifying its own predatory intentions.
From one of Konstantinos' fine books on Occult matters:
VAMPIRES: I have been asked by many skeptical people, "How could vampires really exist?" or even, "Are you serious?" Most went on to add that the bloodsuckers of fiction seem a bit hard to believe in; after all, if they really feed on humans like they are portrayed in the movies as doing, wouldn't there be an enormous number of victims found in alleys, or perhaps found in graveyards, on any given morning? There obviously haven't been any such victims, though, because their blood-drained bodies and the familiar punctured neck wounds would have attracted enough media attention to make belief in vampires commonplace by now.
Vampires are not these folk lore mythological monsters that are recorded in almost every culture and time period. They are not the delusional people that inhabit some of the Goth community, going as far as to have fangs surgically created, blood rituals and other role playing endeavors. They are not what famed psychologist termed Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Originating as a child who's infantile sexual urges become raised to unacceptable levels, their ego defenses would regularly come into play and prevent the unconscious mind from becoming aware of these dangerous impulses.
When the child cannot experience adequate mirroring (the seeking of self objects that confirm and admire the child thus nourishing their famished self) its infantile grandiosity cannot be transformed into a mature psychological structure identified by its more realistic sense of self esteem.
These Narcissistic wounds lead to repressed wishes, anti-social impulses, morally questionable motives and fantasies of grandiose nature. The vampire image serves as a scapegoat as it allows us to disown the negative aspects of our personalities. This in turn becomes Narcissistic rage and one seeks the utter destruction of others.
The vampire within ourselves projects its image onto others thereby justifying its own predatory intentions.
Vampires are found in almost every religion, none better than the Kabbalah of Judaism, being detailed within the studies of the Qliphoth and the Tree of Death.
Finally, I would appreciate you not referring to my beliefs and my religion as a fucking lame fantasy cult.
What belief system do you follow?
It's more like dr. ski wampas is talking out dr. ski wampas' ass!
So, how did you arrive at your simpleton conclusions about all of this?
I can't believe I'm wasting my time on you . . here's your infantile explanation correctly stated: .
Psychological Perspectives on Vampirism
A psychological structure grounded in the collective unconscious
Vampire stories reflect the unconscious world of polymorphous perverse infantile sexuality
Oedipus Complex
Conscious awareness of these feelings and associated wishes raises the anxiety level of the child to unacceptable levels, ego defenses come into playto prevent the conscious mind from becoming aware of these dangerous impulses.
It is the function of dreams to disguise these wishes into more acceptable forms.
Vampire image is a fantasy image related to these wishes.
Jung believed these universally reflected experiences to be understood as an expression of what he termed the "shadow," aspects of the self that the conscious ego was unable to recognize.
This shadow contained repressed wishes, anti-social impulses, morally questionable motives, childish fantasies of grandiose nature, and other traits felt to be shameful.
The vampire image serves as a scapegoat as it allows us to disown the negative aspects of our personalities.
Auto-erotic, or otherwise narcissistic personality traits can result in a personality that is in fact predatory, anti-social, and parasitic on life energy of others. This is called "narcissistic personality disorder"
"Mirror-hungry" personalities thirst for self objects whose confirming and admiring responses will nourish their famished self. Often manifesting into arrogant superiority called "a grandiose retreat".
When a child cannot experience adequate mirroring, its infantile grandiosity cannot be transformed into a mature psychological structure identified by its more realistic sense of self esteem.
Narcissistic wounds often lead the individual to seek narcissistic nourishment through sexual activity.
Narcissistic rage seeks the utter destruction of the independant personhood of the other - either through death or ruthless enslavement and exploitation.. Thus the vampire within projects its image onto the other - thereby justifying its own predatory intentions.
From one of Konstantinos' fine books on Occult matters:
VAMPIRES: I have been asked by many skeptical people, "How could vampires really exist?" or even, "Are you serious?" Most went on to add that the bloodsuckers of fiction seem a bit hard to believe in; after all, if they really feed on humans like they are portrayed in the movies as doing, wouldn't there be an enormous number of victims found in alleys, or perhaps found in graveyards, on any given morning? There obviously haven't been any such victims, though, because their blood-drained bodies and the familiar punctured neck wounds would have attracted enough media attention to make belief in vampires commonplace by now.
Vampires are not these folk lore mythological monsters that are recorded in almost every culture and time period. They are not the delusional people that inhabit some of the Goth community, going as far as to have fangs surgically created, blood rituals and other role playing endeavors. They are not what famed psychologist termed Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Originating as a child who's infantile sexual urges become raised to unacceptable levels, their ego defenses would regularly come into play and prevent the unconscious mind from becoming aware of these dangerous impulses.
When the child cannot experience adequate mirroring (the seeking of self objects that confirm and admire the child thus nourishing their famished self) its infantile grandiosity cannot be transformed into a mature psychological structure identified by its more realistic sense of self esteem.
These Narcissistic wounds lead to repressed wishes, anti-social impulses, morally questionable motives and fantasies of grandiose nature. The vampire image serves as a scapegoat as it allows us to disown the negative aspects of our personalities. This in turn becomes Narcissistic rage and one seeks the utter destruction of others.
The vampire within ourselves projects its image onto others thereby justifying its own predatory intentions.
Vampires are found in almost every religion, none better than the Kabbalah of Judaism, being detailed within the studies of the Qliphoth and the Tree of Death.
Finally, I would appreciate you not referring to my beliefs and my religion as a fucking lame fantasy cult.
What belief system do you follow?
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Original post: dr. ski wampas
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Conscious awareness of these feelings and associated wishes raises the anxiety level of the child to unacceptable levels, ego defenses come into playto prevent the conscious mind from becoming aware of these dangerous impulses.
It is the function of dreams to disguise these wishes into more acceptable forms.
Vampire image is a fantasy image related to these wishes.
Jung believed these universally reflected experiences to be understood as an expression of what he termed the "shadow," aspects of the self that the conscious ego was unable to recognize.[/quote]
i'm pretty familiar with jung.
i'm pretty familiar with the idea and function of the shadow. i'm pretty comfortable in embracing this aspect of myself when i feel it will bring the rest of myself into ballance. i might have in the past not been able to recognize this so much, and it caused alot of anxiety for me in my earlier teen years, resulting in my doing much to try and gain the acceptance of my peers.... you know what? i never really did, and instead of going all to pieces about it, or pretending i was something i was not, i became comfortable with who i was... sexual urges and all.
how many more people does this describe, that for whatever reason or another drive a real big truck and act like violent douche bags? or dress all emo, and try to be part of that sub culture? i think your description of this "disorder" fits most people from my generation... everyone is striving to fit into one group or another, and if they dont find the cool one they join the one with all the other people who all are uncool, and make that into their source of coolness... it's a problem common to pretty much anyone who hasn't sepperated themselves from the stupid illusions associated with being a part of our world today... that is a subject matter for many other threads.
who would you be to say i have no matured psychological structure? not a damn anyone... and i really couldn't care, because i know the way i feel about me... and it's pretty good right now. devoid of needing to pretend i'm something fantastical and magical when infact i'm pretty aware of my own limitations.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Vampires are not these folk lore mythological monsters that are recorded in almost every culture and time period.[/QUOTE]
no, duh!
so, i guess we better find a better word for them... because vampire already carries so many implications.
other than that, a metaphorical vampire even so called, based on our understanding of the mythical creature, doesnt sound very appealing... i like being self sufficient and not needing to "feed" off of someone perfectly healthy, psychologically or otherwise.
so if they aren't a gothic subculture, blood sucking mythological creatures, or narcisistic youth... what are they? if you want to say they dont have a human soul, that is not nothing you can demonstrate or prove... whoever you'd be talking about, i'm pretty sure they all breathe oxygen, eat food and came from a vagina... sounds pretty human.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Vampires are found in almost every religion, none better than the Kabbalah of Judaism, being detailed within the studies of the Qliphoth and the Tree of Death.[/quote]
and yet, not one of these religions uses the word vampire... you do. why? it's not a very credible way to get the concept across, because of the stigma already associated with the phrase obviously... and even so, whether or not any one of those religions is reffering to what your paradigm is set up around is entirely up to your interpretation of the concept, which others have already noted.
also, that your interpretation of it is... well, not wrong... but not very widely accepted or credited or documented or even given any stock, except for those who practice it.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Finally, I would appreciate you not referring to my beliefs and my religion as a fucking lame fantasy cult.[/quote]
didn't you say you weren't one of these people?
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]First let me say that I am not a vampire nor practice anything vampiric.[/quote]
ok, so i re-read the quote and your asset-ist, or whatever... thats cool and i'm not gonna bag on someones religion... you kept mentioning horus in his incarnation. you mean, you literally beleive horus was incarnated at some point?
i dont personally believe so... i know their are lots of christians who think christ really really lived too. i dont believe that either.
i dunno... i never meant to be hostile or anything either. i have time to kill before work and so i'm just kinda drunk and posting my mind around the forum. all the stuff you posted about narcissism gives me enough reason to think the way i do about people interested in the vampire subculture... but really, it goes for anyone i guess.
and about what i believe... i can't say i subscribe to anything specific. i only know what i know... and i really dont know a damn thing, at that. of all the religions out there, i try to percieve what they have in common, and take the good over the bad rather than say any one of them is more right that the other. i have my experiences, but even they are an illusion. my idea of an identity wont last, and i'm not going to fight for cry about it in when i have to give it up.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Conscious awareness of these feelings and associated wishes raises the anxiety level of the child to unacceptable levels, ego defenses come into playto prevent the conscious mind from becoming aware of these dangerous impulses.
It is the function of dreams to disguise these wishes into more acceptable forms.
Vampire image is a fantasy image related to these wishes.
Jung believed these universally reflected experiences to be understood as an expression of what he termed the "shadow," aspects of the self that the conscious ego was unable to recognize.[/quote]
i'm pretty familiar with jung.
i'm pretty familiar with the idea and function of the shadow. i'm pretty comfortable in embracing this aspect of myself when i feel it will bring the rest of myself into ballance. i might have in the past not been able to recognize this so much, and it caused alot of anxiety for me in my earlier teen years, resulting in my doing much to try and gain the acceptance of my peers.... you know what? i never really did, and instead of going all to pieces about it, or pretending i was something i was not, i became comfortable with who i was... sexual urges and all.
how many more people does this describe, that for whatever reason or another drive a real big truck and act like violent douche bags? or dress all emo, and try to be part of that sub culture? i think your description of this "disorder" fits most people from my generation... everyone is striving to fit into one group or another, and if they dont find the cool one they join the one with all the other people who all are uncool, and make that into their source of coolness... it's a problem common to pretty much anyone who hasn't sepperated themselves from the stupid illusions associated with being a part of our world today... that is a subject matter for many other threads.
who would you be to say i have no matured psychological structure? not a damn anyone... and i really couldn't care, because i know the way i feel about me... and it's pretty good right now. devoid of needing to pretend i'm something fantastical and magical when infact i'm pretty aware of my own limitations.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Vampires are not these folk lore mythological monsters that are recorded in almost every culture and time period.[/QUOTE]
no, duh!
so, i guess we better find a better word for them... because vampire already carries so many implications.
other than that, a metaphorical vampire even so called, based on our understanding of the mythical creature, doesnt sound very appealing... i like being self sufficient and not needing to "feed" off of someone perfectly healthy, psychologically or otherwise.
so if they aren't a gothic subculture, blood sucking mythological creatures, or narcisistic youth... what are they? if you want to say they dont have a human soul, that is not nothing you can demonstrate or prove... whoever you'd be talking about, i'm pretty sure they all breathe oxygen, eat food and came from a vagina... sounds pretty human.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Vampires are found in almost every religion, none better than the Kabbalah of Judaism, being detailed within the studies of the Qliphoth and the Tree of Death.[/quote]
and yet, not one of these religions uses the word vampire... you do. why? it's not a very credible way to get the concept across, because of the stigma already associated with the phrase obviously... and even so, whether or not any one of those religions is reffering to what your paradigm is set up around is entirely up to your interpretation of the concept, which others have already noted.
also, that your interpretation of it is... well, not wrong... but not very widely accepted or credited or documented or even given any stock, except for those who practice it.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]Finally, I would appreciate you not referring to my beliefs and my religion as a fucking lame fantasy cult.[/quote]
didn't you say you weren't one of these people?
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;361613]First let me say that I am not a vampire nor practice anything vampiric.[/quote]
ok, so i re-read the quote and your asset-ist, or whatever... thats cool and i'm not gonna bag on someones religion... you kept mentioning horus in his incarnation. you mean, you literally beleive horus was incarnated at some point?
i dont personally believe so... i know their are lots of christians who think christ really really lived too. i dont believe that either.
i dunno... i never meant to be hostile or anything either. i have time to kill before work and so i'm just kinda drunk and posting my mind around the forum. all the stuff you posted about narcissism gives me enough reason to think the way i do about people interested in the vampire subculture... but really, it goes for anyone i guess.
and about what i believe... i can't say i subscribe to anything specific. i only know what i know... and i really dont know a damn thing, at that. of all the religions out there, i try to percieve what they have in common, and take the good over the bad rather than say any one of them is more right that the other. i have my experiences, but even they are an illusion. my idea of an identity wont last, and i'm not going to fight for cry about it in when i have to give it up.
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As for goths. Goth is a lifestyle based on music and aesthetics. It have nothing to do with vampires. But why the hell is it so wrong to want to dress a little different than the majority of pepole. Why am I a worse person for preferring a black dress with skulls on it than a blue dress with flowers?
Now I do not mean you any kind of offense, but I get irked when pepole believe anyone not A4 is different becouse we are incapable of living a normal life. Pepole that say oh no pepole that are into the BDSM lifestyle are just looking for a way to punish themself for something they have done, or all Goths are depressed and so on. The case is, many pepole want to live life a little different, for no other reason than that that is what give joy and meaning to life for us. It is nothing wrong with being different.
You are entitled to your own opinion off course. But there are quite a few pepole that actually have a need for the life force of others. It is not just them being maladjusted, it is a actual need.this is not a need. if you have social or family problems or are a misfit and dont understand the psychological implications of, and solution to these problems, you may develope tendancies to in some way, leech off of other healthier people... i went through that for a while and got over it... i did heroin, and became a liar, and often did things to make me look good so i could get in close with people i needed to feel were my friends... thank god i never became a goth, or delluded myself into thinking i was a vapire by ANY deffinition.
As for goths. Goth is a lifestyle based on music and aesthetics. It have nothing to do with vampires. But why the hell is it so wrong to want to dress a little different than the majority of pepole. Why am I a worse person for preferring a black dress with skulls on it than a blue dress with flowers?
For many vampire is a concept, an archetype I do not see anything wrong with trying to emulate it. And yes pepole that claim they are something they are not is silly, but it is just as silly claiming to be a model or a movie star as claiming to be a vampire.because you should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever pretend to be something you arent... it's even worse when you pretend to be something you can never be. like a vampire. i am not saying popularity and fame and vanity and all that shit matters... dress how you want. talk how you want. don't insist you are something you are not.
Yes becouse if one is not cookie cutter normal then it must be something wrong with you. If you live an alternative lifestyle or dress differently or have any other things in your life than work, kids and Big Brother then you are emotionally challenged an do it just becouse you can not function in society. I am sorry, but that is complete bull.when you are living your life as a vampire, or something equally lame, than you are doing so most likely because of something that happened, or something you can't quite come to terms with in your life, that makes you feel inadequate as you are normally, or unsuccessful, etc. as a human around your peers, and so you have to believe that it must be because you are in fact... a vampire! ...or a dragon! ...or an elf! or something equally bizzare and further alienating from the rest of us.
This is my life, my mind, my soul, my body and my identity. I do not give a rat's ass about what some possible Higher Power meant by creating me. I am me, and I will do with me whatever the hell I want.the idea that you should be able to maintain your identity throughout your new incarnation is a vain one. if you incarnate again, why should you still be "you"? if you have faith that you are, than just be comfortable in knowing that you are still learning and may reach nirvana after. part of that is realising that this identity is an illusion. granted to you, by the infinate grace and generosity of whatever god to serve a specific purpose.
Or becouse the word Vampire is a rather new word so it would be strange if it showed up in thousands of year old texts. Now I do not agree with Etu that there are vampires in Cabala, but I know that the lack of the name vampire do not discredit it. Call it life force feeders or ompa lumpas for all I care, the concept is the same.and yet, not one of these religions uses the word vampire... you do. why? it's not a very credible way to get the concept across, because of the stigma already associated with the phrase obviously... and even so, whether or not any one of those religions is reffering to what your paradigm is set up around is entirely up to your interpretation of the concept, which others have already noted.
Well the old Egyptians did believe that. they believed that Horus was incarnated in every Pharaoh.ok, so i re-read the quote and your asset-ist, or whatever... thats cool and i'm not gonna bag on someones religion... you kept mentioning horus in his incarnation. you mean, you literally beleive horus was incarnated at some point?
Now I do not mean you any kind of offense, but I get irked when pepole believe anyone not A4 is different becouse we are incapable of living a normal life. Pepole that say oh no pepole that are into the BDSM lifestyle are just looking for a way to punish themself for something they have done, or all Goths are depressed and so on. The case is, many pepole want to live life a little different, for no other reason than that that is what give joy and meaning to life for us. It is nothing wrong with being different.
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Original post: shadow flame
actually, word vampire draws root from word "vampir" common in slavic languages, that is quite old.
actually, word vampire draws root from word "vampir" common in slavic languages, that is quite old.
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Original post: Yoshiaki_Abe
[QUOTE=shadow flame;361673]actually, word vampire draws root from word "vampir" common in slavic languages, that is quite old.[/QUOTE]
And also Romanian, which counts as a Romance language, not a Slavic one. However, the only Latin-based root I can think of having even the slightest to do with vampires is "revenire" or to come/arise again, "revenant" being the English-based word. So, it is most likely a Slavic root, but one can never be too sure.
[QUOTE=shadow flame;361673]actually, word vampire draws root from word "vampir" common in slavic languages, that is quite old.[/QUOTE]
And also Romanian, which counts as a Romance language, not a Slavic one. However, the only Latin-based root I can think of having even the slightest to do with vampires is "revenire" or to come/arise again, "revenant" being the English-based word. So, it is most likely a Slavic root, but one can never be too sure.
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Original post: Venefica
And the Romanian name probably comes from another word and so on. My point was just that the concept is older than the word. In Norway, that have very few vampire myths, they are called sucking demons, if I do not remember all wrong, among other things. There is allot of different names for the same concept.
And the Romanian name probably comes from another word and so on. My point was just that the concept is older than the word. In Norway, that have very few vampire myths, they are called sucking demons, if I do not remember all wrong, among other things. There is allot of different names for the same concept.
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Dr. Ski
You may be the most demented piece of shit I have come across yet on any forum . . . please, a favor . . . don't talk to me again.
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You may be the most demented piece of shit I have come across yet on any forum . . . please, a favor . . . don't talk to me again.
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Original post: skullzR4loverz
ok vampires .... not many people belive they exhist but im part vampire as i was bitten by one ..... i luckily am a day walker becuase i am also part witch part demon and part human mainly from my mums side of the family she is a high priestess ........ so saying that what they do is wrong .... is ...well ... wrong because thats like saying its wrong to be black or its wrong to be gay or its wrong to perform cpr. we need blood to survive sometimes but not alot .... and its only from someone who is volunteering and in grave emergencies and no we do not rise from the dead lol ..... so yes in other words shut up ... you bias discriminative fool ...... that is all
ok vampires .... not many people belive they exhist but im part vampire as i was bitten by one ..... i luckily am a day walker becuase i am also part witch part demon and part human mainly from my mums side of the family she is a high priestess ........ so saying that what they do is wrong .... is ...well ... wrong because thats like saying its wrong to be black or its wrong to be gay or its wrong to perform cpr. we need blood to survive sometimes but not alot .... and its only from someone who is volunteering and in grave emergencies and no we do not rise from the dead lol ..... so yes in other words shut up ... you bias discriminative fool ...... that is all
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Original post: skullzR4loverz
i suppose you could call 'vampires' night walkers? well the pure blood ones ..... im just an all arounder lol ...... but yes i liek vampire as a term because its well known although most stories create false prejudice and really most vampires can walk outside during the day .... just not for more than few hours wen its hot its just liek sun burn lol except faster
i suppose you could call 'vampires' night walkers? well the pure blood ones ..... im just an all arounder lol ...... but yes i liek vampire as a term because its well known although most stories create false prejudice and really most vampires can walk outside during the day .... just not for more than few hours wen its hot its just liek sun burn lol except faster
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Original post: Skorpius Luciferius Gnosi
Okay, I love the night. I walk it almost every night. I prefer to do rituals under the moon/stars, in the nights rain, etc. I am VERY fascinated with the vampire mythology. I fucking LOVE vampire films, as does my girlfriend and we regularly enjoy bringing the vampire role-playing into the bedroom... I WISH I WAS A FUCKING VAMPIRE!
But, I don't feel the need to drain people of their energy... and my iron levels are fine, so there is no blood craving.
In reality, I can't fucking stand these so called "vampires". You are really nothing more than a fucking energy leach. You are a parasite of the lowest form....YOU CHOOSE TO BE A PARASITE.
And because parasitic energy leach isn't a very becoming title and because vampire is "kewl", you attatch yourself to the term, completely pervert the meaning and myth behind the vampire to meet your needs. Then there are the ones who take it a step further... unable to convince themselves of the fact that they are a vampire simply because they prey on the emotions of other people, they convince themselves that they need fucking blood to survive (or mistake an extreme iron deficiency with the vampiric fantasy they learned about at their local 18 and under goth club). I use blood in my rituals at times, though generally symbolic and to focus my mind... Hell I have even been known to take part in some bloodletting for the euphoric experience, but seriously....? You need to drink blood?
I mean, god damn... I don't even know what to fucking say to argue against it, as it is so idiotic that there seems to be no logical argument to the absolutely illogical fantasy.
I am chaos.... I am of the 'belief is a tool to be applied at will' mentality... but lets be serious here...be that as it may, if I believe I am a fucking ogre with green skin and a talking donkey, as much as my subjective perception creates that in my mind... Im not a fucking ogre. You aren't a fucking vampire. You are a useless human being with fantasies.
Apply your vampire fantasies into a ritual setting, designed to focus your mind, where the vampire idea plays a key role in the ritual, gaining some inner wisdom, taking in the energies as a vampire takes in blood... whatever it may be, and yes, I believe you will be a vampire for the time being, but that doesn't carry over beyond the ritual. You don't walk around as a vampire. As with anything, it is a focus tool in that situation and can be made true for the ritual, beyond that, it is simply another subjective and relative truth, true only to you, in your mind.
Im done. I love anyone on here who stands against the parasites that call themselves vampires. We get it, it adds a certain darkness and mystique to you. You are so intense and elite as you have victims whom you prey on. You are a god amongst mortals, able to control anyone you wish. Well.... I will gladly chew your fucking throat out.
Fly away you bat bastards....
Perhaps I have said too much... Perhaps I am just an asshole.... Perhaps the children should be allowed to play their games.
Nah.
Okay, I love the night. I walk it almost every night. I prefer to do rituals under the moon/stars, in the nights rain, etc. I am VERY fascinated with the vampire mythology. I fucking LOVE vampire films, as does my girlfriend and we regularly enjoy bringing the vampire role-playing into the bedroom... I WISH I WAS A FUCKING VAMPIRE!
But, I don't feel the need to drain people of their energy... and my iron levels are fine, so there is no blood craving.
In reality, I can't fucking stand these so called "vampires". You are really nothing more than a fucking energy leach. You are a parasite of the lowest form....YOU CHOOSE TO BE A PARASITE.
And because parasitic energy leach isn't a very becoming title and because vampire is "kewl", you attatch yourself to the term, completely pervert the meaning and myth behind the vampire to meet your needs. Then there are the ones who take it a step further... unable to convince themselves of the fact that they are a vampire simply because they prey on the emotions of other people, they convince themselves that they need fucking blood to survive (or mistake an extreme iron deficiency with the vampiric fantasy they learned about at their local 18 and under goth club). I use blood in my rituals at times, though generally symbolic and to focus my mind... Hell I have even been known to take part in some bloodletting for the euphoric experience, but seriously....? You need to drink blood?
I mean, god damn... I don't even know what to fucking say to argue against it, as it is so idiotic that there seems to be no logical argument to the absolutely illogical fantasy.
I am chaos.... I am of the 'belief is a tool to be applied at will' mentality... but lets be serious here...be that as it may, if I believe I am a fucking ogre with green skin and a talking donkey, as much as my subjective perception creates that in my mind... Im not a fucking ogre. You aren't a fucking vampire. You are a useless human being with fantasies.
Apply your vampire fantasies into a ritual setting, designed to focus your mind, where the vampire idea plays a key role in the ritual, gaining some inner wisdom, taking in the energies as a vampire takes in blood... whatever it may be, and yes, I believe you will be a vampire for the time being, but that doesn't carry over beyond the ritual. You don't walk around as a vampire. As with anything, it is a focus tool in that situation and can be made true for the ritual, beyond that, it is simply another subjective and relative truth, true only to you, in your mind.
Im done. I love anyone on here who stands against the parasites that call themselves vampires. We get it, it adds a certain darkness and mystique to you. You are so intense and elite as you have victims whom you prey on. You are a god amongst mortals, able to control anyone you wish. Well.... I will gladly chew your fucking throat out.
Fly away you bat bastards....
Perhaps I have said too much... Perhaps I am just an asshole.... Perhaps the children should be allowed to play their games.
Nah.
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I do not know. Parasitic Energy Leach, it do have a certain ring to it, and it is in fact a more true definition than vampire really.
I do not know. Parasitic Energy Leach, it do have a certain ring to it, and it is in fact a more true definition than vampire really.
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Original post: EtuMalku
[QUOTE=dr. ski wampas;361629]i'm pretty familiar with jung.
i'm pretty familiar with the idea and function of the shadow. i'm pretty comfortable in embracing this aspect of myself when i feel it will bring the rest of myself into ballance. i might have in the past not been able to recognize this so much, and it caused alot of anxiety for me in my earlier teen years, resulting in my doing much to try and gain the acceptance of my peers.... you know what? i never really did, and instead of going all to pieces about it, or pretending i was something i was not, i became comfortable with who i was... sexual urges and all.
how many more people does this describe, that for whatever reason or another drive a real big truck and act like violent douche bags? or dress all emo, and try to be part of that sub culture? i think your description of this "disorder" fits most people from my generation... everyone is striving to fit into one group or another, and if they dont find the cool one they join the one with all the other people who all are uncool, and make that into their source of coolness... it's a problem common to pretty much anyone who hasn't sepperated themselves from the stupid illusions associated with being a part of our world today... that is a subject matter for many other threads.
who would you be to say i have no matured psychological structure? not a damn anyone... and i really couldn't care, because i know the way i feel about me... and it's pretty good right now. devoid of needing to pretend i'm something fantastical and magical when infact i'm pretty aware of my own limitations.
no, duh!
so, i guess we better find a better word for them... because vampire already carries so many implications.
other than that, a metaphorical vampire even so called, based on our understanding of the mythical creature, doesnt sound very appealing... i like being self sufficient and not needing to "feed" off of someone perfectly healthy, psychologically or otherwise.
so if they aren't a gothic subculture, blood sucking mythological creatures, or narcisistic youth... what are they? if you want to say they dont have a human soul, that is not nothing you can demonstrate or prove... whoever you'd be talking about, i'm pretty sure they all breathe oxygen, eat food and came from a vagina... sounds pretty human.
and yet, not one of these religions uses the word vampire... you do. why? it's not a very credible way to get the concept across, because of the stigma already associated with the phrase obviously... and even so, whether or not any one of those religions is reffering to what your paradigm is set up around is entirely up to your interpretation of the concept, which others have already noted.
also, that your interpretation of it is... well, not wrong... but not very widely accepted or credited or documented or even given any stock, except for those who practice it.
didn't you say you weren't one of these people?
ok, so i re-read the quote and your asset-ist, or whatever... thats cool and i'm not gonna bag on someones religion... you kept mentioning horus in his incarnation. you mean, you literally beleive horus was incarnated at some point?
i dont personally believe so... i know their are lots of christians who think christ really really lived too. i dont believe that either.
i dunno... i never meant to be hostile or anything either. i have time to kill before work and so i'm just kinda drunk and posting my mind around the forum. all the stuff you posted about narcissism gives me enough reason to think the way i do about people interested in the vampire subculture... but really, it goes for anyone i guess.
and about what i believe... i can't say i subscribe to anything specific. i only know what i know... and i really dont know a damn thing, at that. of all the religions out there, i try to percieve what they have in common, and take the good over the bad rather than say any one of them is more right that the other. i have my experiences, but even they are an illusion. my idea of an identity wont last, and i'm not going to fight for cry about it in when i have to give it up.[/QUOTE]
I have enough problems dealing with intelligent, well spoke, well read individuals on this forum . . . . I have but little time for DRUNK MORONS waiting to go to work.
[QUOTE=dr. ski wampas;361629]i'm pretty familiar with jung.
i'm pretty familiar with the idea and function of the shadow. i'm pretty comfortable in embracing this aspect of myself when i feel it will bring the rest of myself into ballance. i might have in the past not been able to recognize this so much, and it caused alot of anxiety for me in my earlier teen years, resulting in my doing much to try and gain the acceptance of my peers.... you know what? i never really did, and instead of going all to pieces about it, or pretending i was something i was not, i became comfortable with who i was... sexual urges and all.
how many more people does this describe, that for whatever reason or another drive a real big truck and act like violent douche bags? or dress all emo, and try to be part of that sub culture? i think your description of this "disorder" fits most people from my generation... everyone is striving to fit into one group or another, and if they dont find the cool one they join the one with all the other people who all are uncool, and make that into their source of coolness... it's a problem common to pretty much anyone who hasn't sepperated themselves from the stupid illusions associated with being a part of our world today... that is a subject matter for many other threads.
who would you be to say i have no matured psychological structure? not a damn anyone... and i really couldn't care, because i know the way i feel about me... and it's pretty good right now. devoid of needing to pretend i'm something fantastical and magical when infact i'm pretty aware of my own limitations.
no, duh!
so, i guess we better find a better word for them... because vampire already carries so many implications.
other than that, a metaphorical vampire even so called, based on our understanding of the mythical creature, doesnt sound very appealing... i like being self sufficient and not needing to "feed" off of someone perfectly healthy, psychologically or otherwise.
so if they aren't a gothic subculture, blood sucking mythological creatures, or narcisistic youth... what are they? if you want to say they dont have a human soul, that is not nothing you can demonstrate or prove... whoever you'd be talking about, i'm pretty sure they all breathe oxygen, eat food and came from a vagina... sounds pretty human.
and yet, not one of these religions uses the word vampire... you do. why? it's not a very credible way to get the concept across, because of the stigma already associated with the phrase obviously... and even so, whether or not any one of those religions is reffering to what your paradigm is set up around is entirely up to your interpretation of the concept, which others have already noted.
also, that your interpretation of it is... well, not wrong... but not very widely accepted or credited or documented or even given any stock, except for those who practice it.
didn't you say you weren't one of these people?
ok, so i re-read the quote and your asset-ist, or whatever... thats cool and i'm not gonna bag on someones religion... you kept mentioning horus in his incarnation. you mean, you literally beleive horus was incarnated at some point?
i dont personally believe so... i know their are lots of christians who think christ really really lived too. i dont believe that either.
i dunno... i never meant to be hostile or anything either. i have time to kill before work and so i'm just kinda drunk and posting my mind around the forum. all the stuff you posted about narcissism gives me enough reason to think the way i do about people interested in the vampire subculture... but really, it goes for anyone i guess.
and about what i believe... i can't say i subscribe to anything specific. i only know what i know... and i really dont know a damn thing, at that. of all the religions out there, i try to percieve what they have in common, and take the good over the bad rather than say any one of them is more right that the other. i have my experiences, but even they are an illusion. my idea of an identity wont last, and i'm not going to fight for cry about it in when i have to give it up.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Venefica;361963]I do not know. Parasitic Energy Leach, it do have a certain ring to it, and it is in fact a more true definition than vampire really.[/QUOTE]
ya, it sounds a bit scientific. :p
[QUOTE=Venefica;361963]I do not know. Parasitic Energy Leach, it do have a certain ring to it, and it is in fact a more true definition than vampire really.[/QUOTE]
ya, it sounds a bit scientific. :p
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As always, our concern with names and titles is overshadowing the actual practice itself, which is the essential aspect of vampirism... of all occultism, in fact. Yes, everyone here is a human being, get over it. If you don't like that someone is saying otherwise, however retarded that may be, just accept their ignorance and try to address more important aspects of this subject. In my opinion, and this is disregarding what anyone else says, a vampire is just someone who performs acts of vampirism (I admit that this is a terribly general definition, but it saves us from debating the issue of us actually being humans, which cannot be denied). Just as a Thelemite or a Wiccan is not some other creature, but a human adhering to those philosophies, practices, paradigms and whatever else is involved. This is so simplistic as to hardly warrant comment, but I occasionally see people focusing more on the name than anything else, which gets us nowhere.
End of pointless comment. As an aside, a thread I started about the techniques of vampirism was a way for me to put all of those practices out in the open for others and to move beyond it myself. I too am tired of vampires and vampirism. The subject gets so needlessly complicated and convoluted by its practitioners that it just becomes ridiculous. Sure, it's a fascinating little practice, but some of its followers have tried to make it into something it's not, some immensely important religion that is the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH. Newsflash: this has already been done with Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. And you're just lowering yourself tho their ego-maniacal level.
As always, our concern with names and titles is overshadowing the actual practice itself, which is the essential aspect of vampirism... of all occultism, in fact. Yes, everyone here is a human being, get over it. If you don't like that someone is saying otherwise, however retarded that may be, just accept their ignorance and try to address more important aspects of this subject. In my opinion, and this is disregarding what anyone else says, a vampire is just someone who performs acts of vampirism (I admit that this is a terribly general definition, but it saves us from debating the issue of us actually being humans, which cannot be denied). Just as a Thelemite or a Wiccan is not some other creature, but a human adhering to those philosophies, practices, paradigms and whatever else is involved. This is so simplistic as to hardly warrant comment, but I occasionally see people focusing more on the name than anything else, which gets us nowhere.
End of pointless comment. As an aside, a thread I started about the techniques of vampirism was a way for me to put all of those practices out in the open for others and to move beyond it myself. I too am tired of vampires and vampirism. The subject gets so needlessly complicated and convoluted by its practitioners that it just becomes ridiculous. Sure, it's a fascinating little practice, but some of its followers have tried to make it into something it's not, some immensely important religion that is the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH. Newsflash: this has already been done with Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. And you're just lowering yourself tho their ego-maniacal level.
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Original post: EtuMalku
Pointless Comment aside . . . I would have to disagree with a couple of things you said (discussion is always welcome). The vampirism you talk about is one that is 'practiced'. There is a difference from actual True vampires and others that are vampiric or practice vampiric techniques.Hairetikos;362075 wrote:As always, our concern with names and titles is overshadowing the actual practice itself, which is the essential aspect of vampirism... of all occultism, in fact. Yes, everyone here is a human being, get over it. If you don't like that someone is saying otherwise, however retarded that may be, just accept their ignorance and try to address more important aspects of this subject. In my opinion, and this is disregarding what anyone else says, a vampire is just someone who performs acts of vampirism (I admit that this is a terribly general definition, but it saves us from debating the issue of us actually being humans, which cannot be denied). Just as a Thelemite or a Wiccan is not some other creature, but a human adhering to those philosophies, practices, paradigms and whatever else is involved. This is so simplistic as to hardly warrant comment, but I occasionally see people focusing more on the name than anything else, which gets us nowhere.
End of pointless comment. As an aside, a thread I started about the techniques of vampirism was a way for me to put all of those practices out in the open for others and to move beyond it myself. I too am tired of vampires and vampirism. The subject gets so needlessly complicated and convoluted by its practitioners that it just becomes ridiculous. Sure, it's a fascinating little practice, but some of its followers have tried to make it into something it's not, some immensely important religion that is the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH. Newsflash: this has already been done with Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. And you're just lowering yourself tho their ego-maniacal level.
I hope this was not intended for me? If so, I would like to discuss this comment with you and anyone else that feels this way." And you're just lowering yourself tho their ego-maniacal level"
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Original post: Venefica
I agree with Haire that we get to involved in names. I however think one can have perts of one self, the soul, or the Spirit or so that are not human. I however think that 90 percent of those that claim to have vampire, faerie or some other fantastical soul is just looking for a way to feel special, but a some are what they claim to be.
You do not mind me putting it in my tag line do you? I guess I should have asked you first, sorry.ya, it sounds a bit scientific. :p
I agree with Haire that we get to involved in names. I however think one can have perts of one self, the soul, or the Spirit or so that are not human. I however think that 90 percent of those that claim to have vampire, faerie or some other fantastical soul is just looking for a way to feel special, but a some are what they claim to be.
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Original post: Hairetikos
All my comments were general and not specific to any one individual. I've really got no grudge with anyone here, I'm just sort of nonchalant and laid back like that. I disagree with the term "true vampires" you used, since it insinuates superiority of one school of thought over another, whereas I consider their truthfulness to be relative.EtuMalku;362081 wrote:Pointless Comment aside . . . I would have to disagree with a couple of things you said (discussion is always welcome). The vampirism you talk about is one that is 'practiced'. There is a difference from actual True vampires and others that are vampiric or practice vampiric techniques.
I hope this was not intended for me? If so, I would like to discuss this comment with you and anyone else that feels this way.
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Original post: Hairetikos
I too can accept this, at least in theory. But we still have to consider that we're in human vehicles and subject, to some extent, to human limitations, regardless of our spiritual identity. That spiritual identity may endow us with specific traits or talents... I think you're correct in that respect. But they must still be expressed in a humanly fashion.Venefica;362088 wrote:YI however think one can have perts of one self, the soul, or the Spirit or so that are not human.
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Original post: EtuMalku
[QUOTE=Hairetikos;362089]All my comments were general and not specific to any one individual. I've really got no grudge with anyone here, I'm just sort of nonchalant and laid back like that. I disagree with the term "true vampires" you used, since it insinuates superiority of one school of thought over another, whereas I consider their truthfulness to be relative.[/QUOTE]
Then accept my apology, I may have overreached, sorry.
Insinuating that there are 'True' vampires should not come across as a form of elitism, it is rather along the same lines as saying someone has truly broken their arm instead of 'I think I broke my arm' . . . it's not elitist, it is the pure form of being vampiric.
Those that practice vampirism, or other psychic energy manipulation, that still enjoy a human soul are not what I refer to as 'True vampires' . . . nothing to get disgruntled about.
[QUOTE=Hairetikos;362089]All my comments were general and not specific to any one individual. I've really got no grudge with anyone here, I'm just sort of nonchalant and laid back like that. I disagree with the term "true vampires" you used, since it insinuates superiority of one school of thought over another, whereas I consider their truthfulness to be relative.[/QUOTE]
Then accept my apology, I may have overreached, sorry.
Insinuating that there are 'True' vampires should not come across as a form of elitism, it is rather along the same lines as saying someone has truly broken their arm instead of 'I think I broke my arm' . . . it's not elitist, it is the pure form of being vampiric.
Those that practice vampirism, or other psychic energy manipulation, that still enjoy a human soul are not what I refer to as 'True vampires' . . . nothing to get disgruntled about.