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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis

Ya' got me there EtuMalku! So true! Some books are tomes! :p

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis;362614]Ya' got me there EtuMalku! So true! Some books are tomes! :p[/QUOTE]
LOL . . . I didn't get you there . . . you're just being kind! :whistle:

Original post: AJAtheMetastasis

I would personally like to hear more about Asetian philosophy and its tenets!

Original post: Venefica

With all those linked pieces of text the posts was real hard to read, and while a little article of legendary vampirism is always interesting, what we where talking about was living vampires, human beings with vampire traits. But thank you for the information.

Original post: Aset-Ka

Hi.

Recent discoveries in the Valley of Kings places the written language of the Egyptians before that of the Sumerians. I posted about it awhile back. I've read people argue that hieroglyphs aren't a written language, etc., but I find that argument unconvincing and petty. The fact is that most people have accepted that Sumerian culture is older, so the new discoveries aren't very well received or acknowledged, but that doesn't change what has been learned.

Besides...Egypt and Sumeria were so close as to make it a moot point in my opinion.

Anyway......I don't know, lol, I was just stopping in to pass some time. This thread is getting very large. You all are obsessed with vampires, lol.

You two make me feel young, lol. All that talk about 45, 47. It could be the nitric oxide I'm ingesting, though. That stuff is so good for the veins....you all should try it, hehe.

Original post: Venefica

Anyway......I don't know, lol, I was just stopping in to pass some time. This thread is getting very large. You all are obsessed with vampires, lol.

Yes most definitively.

Can I ask for a link to any research done on what you say about the Egyptian written language being older than the Sumerian one? It would be interesting to read.

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Aset-Ka;363520]Hi.

Recent discoveries in the Valley of Kings places the written language of the Egyptians before that of the Sumerians. I posted about it awhile back. I've read people argue that hieroglyphs aren't a written language, etc., but I find that argument unconvincing and petty. The fact is that most people have accepted that Sumerian culture is older, so the new discoveries aren't very well received or acknowledged, but that doesn't change what has been learned.

Besides...Egypt and Sumeria were so close as to make it a moot point in my opinion.

Anyway......I don't know, lol, I was just stopping in to pass some time. This thread is getting very large. You all are obsessed with vampires, lol.

You two make me feel young, lol. All that talk about 45, 47. It could be the nitric oxide I'm ingesting, though. That stuff is so good for the veins....you all should try it, hehe.[/QUOTE]
The Asetian Bible places Egypt to Sep Tepy which would make it the hub of all civilization.

Original post: Venefica

It was not the hub of all civilization. I am still waiting to see more proof before I believe that the Egyptian language is older than the Sumerian. But Sumer is proven to be older than Egypt. The first hints of Sumerian civilization was at the city of Eridu founded 5500 years before Christ.

Original post: Kath_

Eridu used to rest on the shore of the Arabian Sea, next to the mouth of the Euphrates River. the topography changed though, over time. The remains of Eridu no longer border either the sea or the river. Its at least 7400 years old now. a bit past its prime.

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Venefica;363759]It was not the hub of all civilization. I am still waiting to see more proof before I believe that the Egyptian language is older than the Sumerian. But Sumer is proven to be older than Egypt. The first hints of Sumerian civilization was at the city of Eridu founded 5500 years before Christ.[/QUOTE]
Here's your proof . . .

For thousands of years, King Menes was thought to unquestionably be the first king of Egypt. Ancient Egyptian records clearly identify him as the first king of the first dynasty. Then in 1898, a startling discovery was made in an excavation at Hierakonpolis. A staggering number of sacred objects dating back to the very beginnings of Egypt were unearthed. Among the objects were the Narmer Palette, an artifact depicting a king not mentioned in any Ancient Egyptian histories, and the Scorpion Macehead. The macehead depicts a king of the Upper Kingdom whose name is indicated by the symbols of the rosette and the scorpion-King Scorpion.
The tombs of several first dynasty kings are located in Necropolis. In recent years, German archaeologist Gunter Dreyer has further excavated the area and made several remarkable discoveries. Prime among those was a massive mud brick tomb. Although the tomb had been pillaged and the mummy stolen, Dreyer found an ivory scepter-clearly indicating that he had found a royal tomb. Many pottery fragments depicting the scorpion symbol indicated that the tomb belonged to King Scorpion. Having discovered proof of the Scorpion King's existence, Dreyer went on to discover something even more amazing within the tomb-tiny postage stamp sized bone and ivory tags. Each tag is carved with simple pictures that Dreyer believes are actually hieroglyph-like writing that predates the known birth of writing by more than 200 years. These tags, many of which Dreyer has been able to read, could indicate that writing-perhaps the most important invention in history-was created in Egypt during the reign of the Scorpion King.

http://un4saken-hadez.blogspot.com/2007/06/scorpion-king-not-just-legend.html

Original post: Trimorphia

Forgive me if I have missed something; I only got as far as the first 10 pages or so (also I am new to this forum!). So maybe there is something significant that I passed over, but this is a very interesting topic, since vampirism is undoubtedly an enticing area for occultists and even those who (consciously) would deny such tags. There is a reason why it has become commonplace even amongst the 'muggles'.

I think the interesting thing is why any being chooses to leech off another - either energetically or physically (i.e. in blood). Neither path is one that has much going for it, although, of course, there is an attraction of personal power and control. Or, in other words - glamour - which continues to have a lure and appeal for us. Btw, I agree with EtuMalku, a vampiric soul is not a human soul (a soul is present though); those humans wishing desperately to become creatures of the night hopefully will be able to find their own source of power and profound meaning before such abominations take place. All those EMOs and goths, you have to recognise and acknowledge what they desire, because it often is not so different from the rest of society. We can but hope.....!

Original post: Yoshiaki_Abe

[QUOTE=Wikipedia]There are several theories regarding his identity. Some would argue that because Egyptian kings of the First Dynasty seem to have had multiple names,[7] that Scorpion was the same person as Narmer, simply with an alternate name. Others have argued that the name of Narmer's predecessor, Ka, is simply a stylistically different version of a scorpion, and that both kings are the same person, who would have been named Sekhen.[8] Because Scorpion II is not attested at Abydos, he could be a contemporary king to Narmer who eventually lost or bequeathed Nekhen to Narmer.[/QUOTE]

Narmer = 31st century B.C.
Ka = 32nd/31st century B.C.

Even if King Scorpion was older than Narmer or Ka, he'd need over 2,000 years to his credit to outdate Eridu.

Original post: EtuMalku

While exploring an area in the Qena Bend known as Gebel Tjauti, the Deborah Darnells discovered an elaborate protodynastic tableau that they call the Scorpion Tableau-an inscription that is very possibly the world's oldest historical document.

Well, I'd rather not debate the timeline of civilization there will always be new discoveries and findings

Trimorphia:

why any being chooses to leech off another

it is not a choice it is an unfortunate necessity.

Original post: Venefica

What you have given me is interesting, and while the Sumerian civilization was older than Egypt, it is possible Egypt developed writing first, however pop theories and some archaeologist's pet theories pop up all the time, some of them are very interesting, others are rather bogus, and I can not know what this is before I get more information than one sensationalist article, do others support this claim have anyone else come to the same conclusions, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence or at least more than one article written on the subject.

I think the interesting thing is why any being chooses to leech off another - either energetically or physically (i.e. in blood). Neither path is one that has much going for it, although, of course, there is an attraction of personal power and control. Or, in other words - glamour - which continues to have a lure and appeal for us.

Everyone leech of others, we do it every day in our day to day life, we wear clothes made by underpaid laborers in Asia, we eat and live well with wealth that we have gained on the expense of others. Or we are poor and live of others, everyone do this.

As for what Vampirism have going for it, well many do not choose it, we have no choice we are born like this, and those that do, well as you said personal power and control are attractive things. And they are worthwhile things to.

All those EMOs and goths, you have to recognise and acknowledge what they desire, because it often is not so different from the rest of society. We can but hope.....!

For the 100'th time. Goths are not vampires, do not try to be vampires There are pepole that are both goths and vampires, just like there is pepole that are both goths and Wiccans or both goths and firemen and so on. But being a goth do not mean one want to be a vampire, try to be a vampire or pretend to be a vampire. Goths do not desire anything different from the rest of society save to be ourself and not slaves to fashion and that we have a dark and spooky fashion sense, that is all.

Original post: Yoshiaki_Abe

EtuMalku;363965 wrote:While exploring an area in the Qena Bend known as Gebel Tjauti, the Deborah Darnells discovered an elaborate protodynastic tableau that they call the Scorpion Tableau-an inscription that is very possibly the world's oldest historical document.

Oldest historical document, maybe, but not necessarily the oldest writing...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/334517.stm

...these primitive inscriptions found on pottery may pre-date all other known writing. Last year it was suggested that the oldest writing might have come from Egypt. Clay tablets containing primitive words were uncovered in southern Egypt at the tomb of a king named Scorpion. They were carbon-dated to 3300-3200 BC. This is about the same time, or slightly earlier, to the primitive writing developed by the Sumerians of the Mesopotamian civilisation around 3100 BC.

...This discovery will add to the debate about the origins of the written word. It probably suggests that writing developed independently in at least three places - Egypt, Mesopotamia and Harappa between 3500 BC and 3100 BC.

Original post: Venefica

Just an idea folks. Archeology is an interesting topic, so is the discussion of with was the oldest written language, perhaps moving it to a tread of it's own would be a good idea. I will go do so in the off topic section right now.

Original post: Athena

I didn't know you guys were hiding all this great info about ancient Egypt over in the sick of vampires thread . Interesting to say the least.

An interesting thing to note is that when I was over in Egypt, and wandering tombs (even the out of the way ones), I found the dead there to be far less energy draining then the ones in North America. Go figure. Course in many cases it could be the thousands of tourists per day energy snack lol.

Athena

Original post: Athena

I can't find the original post now, but yes I have met 1-2 yr olds who drain like crazy! Rare, but they do occur.

Athena

Original post: Venefica

Ok one thing I remembered from a lecture of Cabala I attended is a bit interesting. The teacher, and I do not know if there is any archeology backing for this said that at first mummification was not done to preserve the body becouse that would be good for the soul. It was done as a sacrefice by some dead. They sacrificed their afterlife to remain on earth, watching over the land and the mummification was the ritual that kept them here. But as this was often done to the pillars of society, the rich and famous as it where then slowly the old meaning disappeared and and new ones took it's place and soon it was done to preserve the body for the soul and a process everyone wanted as the royal and noble did so.

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Venefica;364238]Ok one thing I remembered from a lecture of Cabala I attended is a bit interesting. The teacher, and I do not know if there is any archeology backing for this said that at first mummification was not done to preserve the body becouse that would be good for the soul. It was done as a sacrefice by some dead. They sacrificed their afterlife to remain on earth, watching over the land and the mummification was the ritual that kept them here. But as this was often done to the pillars of society, the rich and famous as it where then slowly the old meaning disappeared and and new ones took it's place and soon it was done to preserve the body for the soul and a process everyone wanted as the royal and noble did so.[/QUOTE]

There are several parts to a personâ??s soul. When a man died, it was believed that a part of the soul flew forth to return to its creator. In the arms of the creator, the soul would rest, replenish itself, and forget its previous self. Once it had thus been cleansed and renewed, it was free to fly forth to take up a new incarnation.

This part of the soul was tied to a physical and metaphysical part of the body. It rested in the energy center just beneath the navel, for it functioned as a kind of umbilical.

Not a bad read concerning the Egyptian Soul here at Wkik . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_soul

Original post: Venefica

The Egyptian idea is a bit similar to the Taoist idea, that the soul have several parts. It is the reason why Taoists search for immortality, becouse to them, the whole, the soul with all it's parts, the mind and the body are more than the sum of it's parts and should stay together, and not be spread again into parts at death.

Thank you for the link. We are missing you in the general off topic forum talking about who got writing first, the Egyptians or the Sumerians. It would be nice if you could drop by.

Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Venefica;364787]The Egyptian idea is a bit similar to the Taoist idea, that the soul have several parts. It is the reason why Taoists search for immortality, becouse to them, the whole, the soul with all it's parts, the mind and the body are more than the sum of it's parts and should stay together, and not be spread again into parts at death.

Thank you for the link. We are missing you in the general off topic forum talking about who got writing first, the Egyptians or the Sumerians. It would be nice if you could drop by.[/QUOTE]
I can and I will
At first I wasn't sure about you, Venefica, but I am beginning to enjoy our discussions, thank you and em hotep.

Original post: Venefica

Thank you. I enjoy talking with you to. I disagree with you about allot of things, but you have an interesting perspective on things. Besides I believe there is not one finite reality, so what you believe and what I believe might both be true at the same time.

Original post: Bored Wizard

[quote=""Trimorphia""]I think the interesting thing is why any being chooses to leech off another - either energetically or physically (i.e. in blood). Neither path is one that has much going for it, although, of course, there is an attraction of personal power and control. Or, in other words - glamour - which continues to have a lure and appeal for us.[/quote]

What?

I am sorry, but you are way off with that comment. Vampirism, be either the direct manipulation of energy or the ceremonial intake of blood, is a perfectly valid practice of Magic, with a silent K if you wish. The fact that it is direct, immediate, and, in the purely energetic case, "empty handed" just adds to the usefulness of the technique. Finally, being "empty handed" also makes it pretty easy to practice and, thus, to become better both at it and energy manipulation in general. It maybe isn't the most moral way to do it, but really... We are Magicians, be it by inheritance, study, divine will, or whatever. The mortal laws and morals do not take notice of our existence and the mundanes do not go out of their way to make things easier for us. As such, their morals do not apply to us. And, as the Hermetists say, the higher law nullifies the lower law. It is a bad translation, but will do.

Stealing energy, as long you are careful with it, has many uses. It helps you to do more than you could with your usual "charge", it can help you heal if you are sick, it can help you get in a better mood when you are down, it can help you rain fiery vengaence upon your enemies, and many other things. I have seen the "victims" go from "perfectly fine" to "one week in the hospital" after twenty minutes of energy stealing, and that was the first try of the Magician doing it. I have seen "Vampires" going for a week without sleep without being in the less affected by it. Are you feeling creative? Concepts, as such, need Substance to manifest. And what is substance but energy? Practice stealing energy from Concepts: Relationships, Friendships, Love itself. Starve the concepts and they will return to the happy place information go in between surges of "reality".

"Vampirism" is a Path of Magic(k) as any other. Yeah, maybe it is LHP to the extreme - But then, who cares? It is useful for a Magician and it is an act in accordance to the Laws of Magic and the Laws of Creation. "Supernatural" entities do it constantly, some humans do it too by nature. Hell, all that is alive does a form of "vampirism" by consuming other forms of life for substenance. At the end of day Energy is a constant, not a variable. Without taking it from somewhere else there would only be Stasis. Or do you think the two primal forces are "Expansion" (Fire, Yod, Yang) and "Absorpton" (Water, Hè, Yin) because of we Wizards like the words? And since the entirety of creation revolves around it i say "As Above So Below".

Sucks be the victim, though. Then, we all learned how to protect ourselves. If they do not want to, then they get their due. It is only fair.

Original post: Exx