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Atlantis

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:35 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Scarlett_156
Noah, Jesus and the rest are just allegories, as is possibly Atlantis, and the flood. Still, I am more sure that Noah is one than Atlantis...
Erm... so you are "sure" that all these are "just allegories", but for some reason you ARE sure that this thing called the "Akashic Record" exists, and that George W. Bush and the World Trade Center disaster will be remembered 3,000 years from now....?

Can you tell me who your dealer is, man? Whatever that is you're smoking--I WANT SOME!!

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:08 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: deviadah

No, I said we have to consider the Akashic Library and that 10 000 years from now perhaps 9/11 will be told as some ancient tale of dragons destroying mountains. That is often how allegories are born!

What are you smoking since you can't read?

But they are allegories, and if they are not then there are certainly a lot of weird coincidence in the world because most esoteric teachings correspond with all religions. But maybe I haven't read enough books yet...

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:44 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Scarlett_156

Oh, I do read--I read that you try like hell to relate everything on this forum to your dislike of Americans and Western culture. I deliberately posted in this thread to see how you would go on trying to tie George Bush (who is as close to a non-entity to me as a person could possibly get) into the legend of Atlantis. So far you have not disappointed my expectations.

Yes, I'll admit--I couldn't care less about Atlantis or allegories. I was just messin with ya for entertainment. :evil:

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:02 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: deviadah

I don't think George Bush has got anything to do with Atlantis, I only used him as an example because he is the President right now... to me it doesn't really matter who is the leader since they are all mongrels!

You do not understand me at all.

1. I got nothing against Americans, I got everything againsts Americans, Mexicans, Swedes, Iranians, Japanese and every other division of the human race
2. I am not against Western Culture, I am against Culture since it divides not unites - altough there are artistic and artisan cultures I have nothing against.
3. All this has got nothing to do with Atlantis and all it does is trying to provoke me to write something that will offend the mods.

You are wasting my time, and therefore you are wasting your own time, since all time is related! Grow down, you'll be happier!

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Atlantis

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:23 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: midnit magik

some interesting links.

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.c ... hroom.html

http://mushroom-atlantis.blogspot.com/2 ... rgate.html

http://video.google.com/url?docid=60567 ... Ci23UjP1pg


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Socrates, 2400 years ago, said: "Wisdom is knowing how little we know"

So if people, or at least one hell of a wise guy, knew this 2400 years
ago, it would make you wonder how most people have turned into the
warmongering religious fanatics (both in the middle east and the west).

It is what Terence Mckenna and Michael Tsarion (and countless others probably)
all say - humanity right now isn't at its "peak" or even approaching it! The peak
of humanity, wisdom, knowledge, passed us by probably tens of thousands of
years ago.

The pyramids, all I would like to see is some company put one
stone on top of another m'kay. For proper proof, take the heaviest stones in the Giza
complex and try to do it with stones that size. They do not need to build a pyramid like
the Great Pyramid that has 2.3 Million blocks of stone - enough stone to build 30 Empire
State Buildings, or a wall around France that is 3 Metres high and 1 Metre thick (although
that would be a great idea, sorry French, but it would!) but no one CAN even go a fraction
of the way whoever built those things went - 0.00000004 of the way! That is all they have
to do to convince me - put one block of stone on top of another, they can't do it today,
5500+ years later, although some say the pyramids are far older than that, tens of
thousands of years older.

I think it is interesting that some of the researchers in Egypt have started to uncover huge cities of the workers they claim built the pyramids. The interesting thing is that the workers were far from peasants and slaves. They had many bakeries and food preparation areas and they are uncovering facts that totally go against the whole jew as a slave disinfo campaign.

This is an exciting time in which we live and each day brings us closer to the Truth.



Why the ancients where more advanced then us today.


1 - The Empire State Building is just a shell of a building.

2 - For the above reason, it will not still be there in 5500 years time.

3 - You can build 30 Empire State Buildings from the amount of stone
in the great Pyramid.

4 - My argument isn't about todays workers working with stone, it is that
there isn't a crane strong enough to lift stones as large as the largest
stones in the pyramid... therefore it follows to suggest that the Egyptians,
or should I say whoever/whatever built those pyramids, was more advanced
than we are now, because we cannot do what they did. I have heard various
thin excuses as to how these people built those pyramids, the most common
one is that they built ramps and pushed the stones up the ramps, just one
problem with this - it would take more stone to build the ramp than it would
the pyramid and the ramp would have to be on such a shallow gradient that
the ramp would have to be miles long. The other theory is sheer manpower,
that millions of people lifted the stone... just one problem with this, you cannot
physically fit enough people around the base of those stones for them to be able
to lift them.

5 - I can't prove this but Stephen Mehler who studies the "Khemit" (ancient Egypt)
said the great pyramid only deviates half an inch (12.5mm) across the entirety of
its one acre base. He reckons it is actually built on the top of a levelled off mountain
of granite. Also, he says some stones are held together with a substance we cannot
identify, like a cement. Not only are the pyramids impossible for us to build now in
2007 but they were even made to be waterproof, and also have "air conditioning"
if you want to call it that, I guess thats what it is, air conditioning.

... there was a guy claiming the Egyptians had
advanced technology, gadgets and so on, then another guy saying no way, wheres
the evidence of such technology... then the other guy said what is true, that if they
had gadgets like that there won't be anything left of any of them now, because
anything that is not "nailed to the floor" so to speak, gets taken by whoever is
passing by and used to make spears, whatever. Even the metal brackets that
hold some of those stones toether have been removed/stolen, all the interiors
of all the known pyramids have been emptied... I have to agree with that view,
that there wouldn't be any technology left if the Egyptians had such a thing, but
then, its not logical to say this, its like Bush claiming Iraq has WMD's and because
we cant find them it doesn't mean he hasn't got them, no but whilst you can't find
these things then indeed, there is no proof of it. The guy arguing for the Egyptian
gadgets said if you drove to Africa today and left a Land Rover there, then came
back in just 2 weeks, there would be no Land Rover! Not because anyone drove
it away but because they dismantled it and turned it into cooking pots, spears
and so on. Even though theres no proof of Egyptian tech, I still can accept that this
could have happened to the gadgets.

If its cranes though, then I can't really see anyone being able to dismantle something
like that without people later on at least working out it belonged to a crane, so I don't
think they were using cranes, no.



intrestingly the pyramid blocks are not the largest quarried stones used in a man made construction that goes to a huge stone block that makes up part of a wall in an ancient temple complex in turkey lebanon and is estimated to be at least 4 times larger than the biggest stone from the pyramids.

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Theres also one in Peru (I think) thats part of a wall...


That biggest stone there in the middle, although you can't tell how big the stone is
from this, I think this is the right one.

Apparently theres also a massive rectangular stone in Giza thats far bigger than any of
the others, this wasn't lifted onto other stones I don't think but it was certainly moved
to where it is now. Honestly that one weighs thousands of tons.

Some of those Inca stones in Peru though, are the weight of three jumbo jets.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_baalbek_2.htm

http://www.vejprty.com/baalbek.htm



Aha, this is more like it, with people there so you can see the size of it...

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Hadjar el Gouble (the Stone of the South) 1,170 metric tons

Never seen this before but this is just like the one in Giza, maybe even bigger, its the same shape too.



I read, heard, or saw, picture, or video/audio source, a theory that the Egyptians used a form or resonant energy to build he pyramids.
this resonating/amplifying sound,didnt build pyramids, it was used to create
energy inside the pyramid after it was built. It is that David Hatcher Childress that said, in
ancient Africa, there was a river that was many times bigger than the nile - 100 miles wide
and thousands of miles long. He reckons, tunnels were made from this river to the pyramids...


well theres no reckoning really I mean the tunnels are there to this day, but they go to a dry
river bed, that some argue isn't a river bed and that there was no ancient river, but there is
grass growing there to this day that David Hatcher Childress said lives because there is still
water deep deep underground.

He said the reason these water tunnels were made was so water could run underneath the
pyramids and it was the noise of the flowing water that resonated up into the chambers of
the pyramid. He even said they got it wrong at one point and caused an explosion inside
the pyramid (the ceiling is charred). Of course, it could have just been burnt with a torch
but its really high up though... he reckons the explosion was caused by the water and the
sound of it amplifying too much.

I got that video/lecture on eMule, its David Hatcher Childress, the same one who found
the Mayan ceiling... in Egypt inside a remote tomb the public are not allowed into and he
had to do some arm twisting to even be able to go inside it. It was a great video that, in
fact I am gonna watch it again tonight.


They say engineers from all over the world go to these places and are amazed at how well these buildings are built.

The funny thing is that the older the building the better made they are.

The buildings were designed to last and stand for thousands of years

I just dont get lucky with this sort of thing.

Do you people know about Iapetus?
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

Now there's an interesting concept: Those stones weren't carried or built by humans alone, but with help of alien powers. They were only calling them 'gods' later on, because of the unknown factors, because the people back then actually experienced the 'talents' of alien forces first hand. Who would believe them? Even today. When I write this people will say that I'm a nutcase. I don't think I am. The god-like creations are warning signs, telling us of what and who were here before, created with the help of those creatures themselves. They have wings for a reason. They are being connected with 'great powers' for a reason. Because they actually HAD those powers. Because they could fly. Because they came 'from the skies'.


I wonder if anyone has ever considered that the Earths gravitational pull might have been
nowhere near as much as it is today? Or that maybe in "key places" on the "grid" of
what they call ley lines, the gravity was nowhere near as much?
and easy to lift the blocks?

Damn man have I stumbled on something here or what?! The poles could have shifted
since that time, or could have had that "golden era" as they call it where building these
collosal structures was possible.

Maybe having gravity @ 1000 times less than it is now could kill humans, for whatever
reason, like depleted muscles etc etc, I don't know.

Even if the reason these stones were transportable was because of a far weaker
gravitational pull on the Earth, it still doesn't really explain how they cut the stones
so perfectly. Theres even things in Egypt carved out of stone so well that people
have said you can't carve stuff out of stone THAT accurately without using
a laser to do it!

Stuff like this, look at how perfectly carved it is...


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Look at the carvings behind it too... they are hardly carvings, more like "cut"
into the rock in one feld swoop (no pun intended with the owl, lol)

But whats the deal with all these animal/human human animals huh? I think
they were messing about with genes, splicing humans with animals etc, we get
told these are all gods and so on but, hmmmm, were these people really as
stupid as we are?! I think not! Saying its all "gods" is the easy way to say
"nobody really knows why" but people have answers for everything, this is
what annoys me... no, theres just things we CANNOT explain, ACCEPT IT.

That video is called:

Technology.of.the.Gods.-.The.Incredible.Sciences.of.the.Ancients.(David.Childress).(2004).avi (90 mins)

Its not on Google Video though

If you wanna see it have a look on eMule (slow but you will get it in the end)

or download (small file) or watch from here.

http://www.dark-truth.org/okt21-2006-10.html

download

http://pdl.stream.aol.com/netscape/us/v ... uts_dl.avi



The Sphinx was said to be connected to the people from the civilization of Atlantis.
(Atlantis is said to be an even older and more ancient civilization than Egypt, but many of its influences live on today)
They were said to have had flying machines and advanced laser technology, using light and crystals!
Star Wars anyone? Not that these people were where Star Wars came from.
But, deep in the subconscious we will see that what has happend will happen again.
The same story told an infinute number of times, just a different way of telling it because of the language
and contemporary way of thinking! Take for instance Christ and Krishna, same story but told in a different way!

It was said that they were punished for abusing their power, hence why the ocean swallowed them.
This is also a modern day occurrence with Global Warming and massive storms like Katrina!

We have advanced laser technology using crystals and flying machines. But these have been abused again!
Made for destruction, we will only see destruction. BUT if made for life, we will see life. There is an interconnectedness
in everything. It only takes shifting that point of view to see it.

Take for example! You're watching a baseball game right?
You're seat is out in center field slightly more towards right field. And you watch the pitcher throw a mean fast ball!
You're rooting for the batter and the ump calls a strike! But from your angle it looks like he threw a ball! So you get
upset and start calling the ump all kinds of bad names. Telling him he should get some glasses! Etc! But, if you only shifted
your view more in the spot like the ump, your bias would be different! This is what we see happening in real world conflicts!

I could come up with lots more examples but this one is easy enough to get! You could apply this example to anything from
Basketball to track, imagining as you're the coach or the official, the player or the spectator! From the different positions there will always
be a different view! So I believe its important for us not to brush off someone's point of view right away without giving it thought,
for it could be the answer! At the same time, its important not to roll with a person's point of view immediately for someone else
might come along with a more accurate point! It's the open mind theory. Keeping an open mind will bring you great knowledge of all views!
Therefore you will appear less bias!

Anyways, I'm not saying anyone is bias here, I'm just iterating my belief into how I see things in a very connected way!
So, back to the Sphinx! A man named Edgar Casey, who was a modern century prophet (like Nostradamus) who saw things
that others couldn't. But he only saw these things when he hypnotized himself. He basically tapped into the subconscious of the mind
where space and time are irrelevant. Past, Present and Future are one with everything.

So he saw things in the past, Atlantian times,
present, with modern sickness and medicinal advices, and he predicted the wars to come, including the great transition in 2000 to 2012!
His readings were dated back before the great depression (which he also predicted), he saw that under the right foot of the Sphinx were
hidden all the secrets of Atlantis. That was before technology really boomed! Is there a coincidence or did we just discover their existence
and try to dupe them off as a myth and claim that we developed their technologies?

This is my true question for you! As our governments
have been ruled by deception and fraud( science will only look at what ever fits in fabricated puzzle and reject other sciences that dont). Wouldn't it at all be possible for them to claim this as their own? Cause once claimed, you get royalties.(look at tesla invention where supressed also so we could not have free energy)

thats how I see it! If it were a technology from Atlantians then it should be free for us all, for they left it to us! But along with such power
comes great responsibility! And that is what our governments have been quite lacking in! Responsibility towards its own people and to life itself!
It seems as though we are being ruled by those who follow the evil path of the closed fist philosophy! It's time to transform this dark presents in
all of us into light. Only then we will truly be responsible beings of life! And transforming darkness isn't done by using darkness on darkness!
Thats just like saying I want to make green, so I think I'll mix blue with blue!

Anyway I'm done for now. Hope I've induced some thought, for while writing this response, I certainly induced my own!





It will explain it better then I can.

Watch it and see if it still sounds crazy




http://www.dark-truth.org/okt21-2006-10.html

download (100 megs)


http://pdl.stream.aol.com/netscape/us/v ... uts_dl.avi


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Popular Lost Cities author David Childress opens the door to the amazing world of ancient technology, from the computers of the ancient world to the "flying machines of the gods." Technology of the Gods explores the technology that was allegedly used in Atlantis and the theory that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was originally a gigantic power station. Childress also uncovers many other mysteries, including: *
the technology of ancient flight *

how the ancients used electricity *

megalithic building techniques *

the use of crystal lenses and the fire from the gods *

ancient evidence of high-tech weapons, including atomic weapons *

the role of modern inventors, such as Nikola Tesla, in bringing ancient technology into modern use *

impossible artifacts, and more, much more. Childress has done it again! From beginning to end, Technology of the Gods is filled with facts, keen observations and tales that challenge modern assumptions in a humorous, intelligent and compelling way that is quintessential Childress.

About the Author
David Hatcher Childress is the author of 15 books, including The Lost Cities Series, The Time Travel Handbook and The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla. He has appeared in numerous documentaries about Atlantis, ancient mysteries and UFOs, including The Mysterious Origins of Man, with Charlton Heston, and The Search For Atlantis, with Richard Crenna. He also appears regularly on national and international radio programs. He lives near Chicago.
One more thing I will add

Still think Atlantis is a myth of mythical proportions ?? .



That is the same thing they said about troy.. untill it was discovered

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Every student knows of the story of Troy, the tale told by Homer in the Iliad thousands of years ago. For centuries, it was believed that it was just that, a story, while the city of Troy lay buried beneath the sands of Turkey and the mythology of the past. But in 1870, a German entrepreneur by the name of Heinrich Schliemann set out, with Iliad in hand, to discover the ancient city and validate the story of Homer. By 1873, he had unearthed the city of Troy, one of archaeology's most famous discoveries.


http://library.thinkquest.org/3011/troy.htm

Many scholars and scientists ridiculed the accounts as myth. ...


the german Heinrich Schliemann, is almost as legendary He was ridiculed in archeological circles (he had never studied archeology)
He defying the ridicule of the learned world, and he actually unearths the remains of the ancient city of Troy. ...


Its only a matter of time until Atlantis is discovered.

Where ????

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?do ... tis++Andes
or


http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats ... 71f87e8be0

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"Legend has it that a vast subterranean network exists in the Andes. This would infer engineering skill of the highest calibre which the early inhabitants of South America did not lack. The megalithic stonework of Tiahuanaco has to be seen to be believed. Stones are fitted together with insets without cement as if they were ivory and not 20-ton stone blocks. These ruins were ancient even at the time of the Conquest, nor could the Indians of the period provide an answer as to the identity of the Titan-builders. Another puzzle at Tiahuanaco is the absence of burial sites in the complex. Does the reign of the Tiahuanacan Empire... go back to an unknown chapter of prehistory?"

"The Jesuit Agnelio Oliva (1572-1542) recorded the words of an old Inca quipu reader to the effect that the real Tiahuanaco was a subterranean city exceeding the one above ground in vastness. It was believed that the entrance to the underground apartments could be gained through four tunnels. Last century one passage was evidently found as treasure hunters managed to get in, to look for gold, but only one came out. He brought out with him two gold bars but left behind his sanity. After this incident the Peruvian government decided to wall up the cave entrance..."

Lost Subterranean Incan Treasures in Bolivia and Peru

There have been many historical figures (Incans and Spaniards) from the era of the Spanish Conquistadors that stated that the Incas kept a well guarded secret of underground tunnels criss-crossing Bolivia and Peru. They also attested that those ancient tunnels hundreds of miles long were built by an unknown peoples many years before them! Perhaps the Tiahuanacans? Check out the underlined link on on top for more info.


http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/ Best Torrent site for info around

Come and talk about this and many other things http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums

Enjoy

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Michael Tsarion's - Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation...



.... I love this book!





Cross-reference Tsarion's book with his selected sources and you will find interesting parallels to this website albeit from different references, angles, and points of view.

Is Tsarion's book without error? No! Could the author have inadvertantly interlaced his theories with contradictory STS sources? Sure, it happens to the best of us. I find several of his theories questionable, but going back to the driving points of the book, Tsarion raises important thought provoking ideas about our origins and the nature of evil itself which warrant further research.



the following is a loose overview of a book by Michael Tsarion entitled Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation...




1. God is the essence of all things.
2. Good and evil are 2 sides of the same coin
3. Humans embody both good and evil (in our DNA code)
4. We are a hybrid race containing strands of human/Nephilim (alien) DNA
5. The 'God' in the Bible is in fact a nefarious race of extraterrestrials who have
brought destruction down upon the Earth
6. These same creatures have tampered with our DNA and are the hidden power behind
the world governments (aka New World Order)
7. The first 'Adam' was created to serve the gods...toiling in the mines (the Garden of Eden)
extracting minerals and providing for the Nephilim's every need (Slaves)
8. Jehovah in the Bible is in fact 'Satan' the adversary
9. 'Adam' (the 1st genetically hybridized race created to be the slaves of the Nephilim) rebelled against 'God'. This is alluded to in the Genesis account of the Garden of Eden.
10. The serpent in the garden is good (wished to impart knowledge to Adam and Eve)
11. The serpent represents the 1st remnants of the Adamic race that rebelled against their creators/oppressors. The Biblical flood is in fact a reference to the attempts by the extra-terrestrial Nefilim aka Jehovah race to destroy their 1st creation. (This point is made very clear in Genesis)
12. The hybridization of our human DNA explains our aggressive, warlike, and destructive behavior (until we address the root cause of what makes us evil then we will continue rape, pillage, and plunder our 'Earth Mother' which sustains us, while commiting atrocities against ourselves to the point of mass ecocide/genocide.
13. When you pray to the 'God" of the Bible you are in fact praying to Satan. No one is more deserving of the title of 'Satan' (adversary) than Jehovah
14. Human means slave
15. Our political and corporate leaders (bloodline) have a higher concentration of
alien DNA, although they may look human, they owe their allegiance to
the 'Dark Overlords'
16. We are being subliminally manipulated through ancient symbols that are being incorporated into popular ads...these images are in fact encoded in our DNA and are subliminally being used to keep us from accessing our higher natures.
17. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is in fact a corporation owned by the Vatican.
18. Organized religion is a nefarious design by the 'Dark Overlords' to imprint upon
us the 'Big Daddy' archetype which has collectively wreaked havoc upon our civilization.
Jehovah is the ultimate 'Big Daddy' who is portrayed in the Bible as a bloodthirsty
warlord hell bent on enslaving and destroying mother Earth and humanity. This reinforces our patriarchical society which suppresses women through organized religion...
19. Examples of other 'Big Daddy' archetypes include the likes of John Wayne, Moses (Charelton Heston) Ronald Reagan, GW, Arnold Schwartzenegger, etc.
20. Until we recognize these realities, we will continue to live in cognitive dissonance,
subconsciously projecting our dark shadows collectively upon society, thus perpetuating wars, strife,
and famines.

The timeline was very interesting. The timeline can serve as an index of topics to research. Another interesting book that I just read was The Gods of Eden by William Bramly which I would highly reccomend

ORIGINS & ORACLES
The Complete Series on DVD
Produced and presented by Michael Tsarion

Release Date
Thursday April 27, 2006

http://www.originsandoracles.com

...in the tradition of Joseph Campbell, Michael Tsarion leaves no stone unturned
in the search for truth - (Allen David Reed, President Holysis)

HOME PAGE http://www.taroscopes.com/home.html

his study of the subversive use of symbolism? His facts seem to be accurate in this regard.

The idea that ancient symbols are encoded into our collective subconscious via our DNA code is an earth-shattering revelation! To think that we are being constantly bombarded with corporate logos using ancient symbology (ie. attaching spiritual themes to consumable products) is a HUGE wake up call. This takes subliminals to a whole new paradigm. What I saw in the DVD promo clips blew my mind! When you view those DVD's please let me know what you think about them...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sou ... a=N&tab=wv

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check the whole series on torrent sites.

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Atlantis

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:02 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: deviadah

Good Work!

Atlantis

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:55 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Anana3l

i think atlantis' location is southwest of Sri Lanka in the indian ocean

i found the atlantis "checklist" on the following site

http://www.atlan.org/articles/checklist/index.html

to be very informative and interesting, it discusses all proposed locations
of Atlantis and cites which of plato's criteria they meet

Atlantis

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:29 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: midnit magik

I found a collection of several places that have been called Atlantis. This just goes to show you that there are several places where ancient artifacts exist and everyone seems ot call it Atlantis, no matter what. They don't understand that there were far more civilizations than Atlantis but I guess Atlantis has become a symbol and code name for any ancient civilization that existed before 9000BC.

Mediterranean

Crete and Santorini

Among those who believe in an historical Atlantis, one common theory holds that Plato's story of the destruction of Atlantis was inspired by massive volcanic eruptions on the Mediterranean island of Santorini during Minoan times. A main criticism of this theory is that the ancient Greeks were well aware of volcanoes, and if there was a volcanic eruption, it would seem likely that it would be mentioned. Solon got his information from Egypt; if we assume that an Ancient Egyptian symbol for "hundred" was mistakenly read as "thousand", that reduces the age and size of Atlantis by a factor of a tenth, and with that alteration Atlantis fits Minoan Crete well. Many people consider this to be the likeliest theory

Off the east coast of Cyprus

Robert Sarmast, an American architect, claims to have definitely found the lost city of Atlantis on November 14, 2004, saying that by using sonar scans he was able to find manmade walls that matched the description of the structures described by Plato. The site lies 1,500m deep in the Mediterranean Sea between Cyprus and Syria.

Sardinia

In 2002 the Italian journalist Sergio Frau in his book Le colonne d'Ercole hypothesized that the Pillars of Hercules could be identified not with Gibraltar but with the Sicily Strait between Africa and Sicily, so Atlantis was really Sardinia. A catastrophic event (with a big wave) eradicated from Sardinia the ancient and still enigmatic Nuragic civilization. The few survivors migrated to the near Italian peninsula, founding the Etruscan civilization, the base for the later Roman civilization.

Malta

Dr Anton Mifsud who, with co-authors Simon Mifsud, Chris Agius Sultana and Charles Savona Ventura, published Malta Echoes of Plato's Island also added another recent theory.Their book is the product of thoughtful and profound research about the archeological sites and ancient remains related to Atlantis. Frances Galea in his book Malta Fdal Atlantis also wrote about the results of his lifelong research on several ancient studies and known theories on Atlantis, particularly that of Giorgio Grongnet, the renowned Maltese architect, who in 1854 claimed that the Maltese Islands are the remnants of Atlantis.

Near Cape Spartel

Another recent theory is based on a recreation of the geography of the Mediterranean at the time of Atlantis' supposed existence. Plato states that Atlantis was located beyond the Pillars of Hercules, the name given to the Strait of Gibraltar linking the Mediterranean to the Atlantic Ocean. 11,000 years ago the sea level in the area was some 130 metres lower, exposing a number of islands in the strait. One of these, Spartel, could have been Atlantis, though there are a number of inconsistencies with Plato's account.

Troy

The geologist Eberhard Zangger has proposed the theory that Atlantis was in fact the city state of Troy (See: The Flood from Heaven: Deciphering the Atlantis legend; Sidgwick & Jackson, 1992, ISBN 0688113508). He both agrees and disagrees with Rainer W. Kühne: He believes too that the Trojans-Atlanteans were the sea peoples, but only a minor part of them. He proposes that all Greek speaking city states of the Aegean civilization or Mycenae constituted the sea peoples and that they destroyed each other's economies in a series of semi-fratricidal wars lasting several decades.

Tantalis

(Manisa province in Turkey)British archaeologist Peter James took a clue from Plato's mention of king Tantalus, and investigated the city of Tantalis (also Tantalos) in the province of Manisa, Turkey. In addition to having very similar sounding anagram names, numerous inscriptions and ancient writings from the region matched the Atlantis story. Tantalis, formerly a wealthy city state, was destroyed when a powerful earthquake struck and caused a lake to flood the city.

Andalucia

A theory by Juan Fernández Amador de los Ríos (1919), Jürgen Spanuth (1953), Georgeos Díaz-Montexano (2000) Atlantis Discovery, Rainer W. Kühne (2003) suggests that the Atlanteans were the Sea Peoples who attacked the Eastern Mediterranean countries around 1200 BC. The city and state of Atlantis were located in Andalucia, 50 kilometers southwest of Seville. Recent satellite photos show two rectangular structures which may be interpreted by Werner Wickboldt (2002) and Rainer W. Kühne (2003) as the "temple of Poseidon" and "the temple of Cleito and Poseidon".

Black Sea

German researchers Siegfried and Christian Schoppe locate Atlantis in the Black Sea: Before 5500 BC there was a great plain in the northwest at a former freshwater-lake. 5510 BC the barrier at today's Bosporus broke due to the rising sea level of the world-ocean. The Pillars of Hercules are identical with the Strait of Bosporus. Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone that used to be a cash-equivalent at that time and was replaced by the spondylus shell around 5500 BC. The geocatastrophic event led to the neolithic diaspora in Europe, also beginning 5500 BC.

In 2000AD Robert Ballard in a small submarine found remains of human habitation around 300 feet underwater in the Black Sea off the north coast of Turkey. The area flooded around 5000BC. This flood may have inspired the Biblical story of Noah's Ark; but the area need not be Atlantis.

Findland

Finnish pseudohistorian Ior Bock locates Atlantis to the southern part of Finland where he claims a small community of people lived during the Ice Age. This is a small part of a large saga that he claims to have been told in his family through the ages. Dating back to the development of language itself.

Ireland

The most recent speculation is published in the book Atlantis From a Geographer's Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land (ISBN 0975594605) by Swedish geographer Dr. Ulf Erlingsson from University of Uppsala. It proposes that Atlantis actually referred to Ireland which fits closely in geographic and landmark descriptions. Ireland has not sunk beneath the sea, but the Dogger Bank shoal was an island which sank in the North Sea about 6100 B.C. as the world sea level rose as the Ice Age icecaps melted. Some related theories place the location of Atlantis between Britain and France on the Celtic Shelf. This theory was first developed seriously by Lewis Spence and has been recently revived by some oceanographers.

Mid-Atlantic

Geological studies of the mid-Atlantic fail to demonstrate that the continent of Atlantis existed there. However, the geology of the Atlantic Ocean does not exclude the possibility of a sunken island. If such an island existed it would have been much smaller than the island continent of Australia. Plato never claimed that a whole continent disappeared. He referenced a sunken island in front of another continent. One of the more likely places then would be around the Azores Islands which are a group of islands belonging to Portugal located about 900 miles (1500 km) west of the Portugese coast. Some people believe the islands could be the mountain tops of Atlantis.

Isla de la Juventud near Cuba

Recent underwater discoveries off the west coast of Cuba have led some to speculate on an Atlantean connection. However, even before these discoveries were announced, author Andrew Collins had explored the Cuba connection in a book titled "Gateway to Atlantis." Collins supports his hypothesis with a great deal of indirect but compelling historical and geographical evidence. He finally suggests present-day Isle of Youth and the shallow sea bottom that surrounds it as a possible location for Atlantis.

Bahama Bank and Caribbean

Not all geologists deny the possibility of a sunken island in Central America. After the Charles Berlitz book The Mystery of Atlantis, a Canadian Hungarian geologist-topographer's book was published, entitled Atlantis: The Seven Seals. The author, Z.A. Simon, called the attention to these controversies. He included some supporting conclusions of Dr. J. Manson Valentine, M. Dmitri Ribikoff, E. Umland and C. Umland, Robert B. Stacy-Judd, Dr. David Zink, John P. Cohane, Peter Tompkins, Pino Turolla, Captain Alexander, Francis Hitching, James Bailey, Dr. C.J. Cazeau, Dr. S.D. Scott, Brad Steiger and William R. Fix.

The June 1981 edition of Marine Geology shows some radiocarbon dates on mangrove peat, based on the estimate of Broecker and Kulp, listing dates between 5590 and 3680 BC, with connection of the gradual sinking of the Florida*Bimini region. Most recently the rate of the sea level's rise has slowed to 4.5 in (114 mm) per century. Prior to that time it was one foot per century. Near Andros Island, underwater explorer Jacques Cousteau found a huge submerged cave 165 ft (50 m) beneath the surface. There are stalactites and stalagmites in it, that can be formed in the open air only. Marine sediments on the walls of the grotto enabled scientists to estimate its submersion around or after 10,000 BC. The submarine topography of the Bahamian region shown in the huge Russian Atlas Mira by detailed isobaths, catches the attention of a topographer. The sea floor on the northern side of Cuba, Haiti and Puerto Rico indicates a definite system of submerged valleys of ancient rivers, combined with sunken mountain ranges. The "Tongue of the Ocean" at Andros Island is undoubtedly an underwater ravine caused by terrible tectonic forces, surrounded by almost vertical walls, as a "memento" of the catastrophe. The main problem with this theory is that Atlantis was supposed to have submerged rapidly, following an earthquake.

Z.A. Simon offers an "accurate" map of Plato's rectangular island with its given dimensions as 2,000 by 3,000 stadia, overlaying its outline on the suspected ancient irregular shoreline of that traditional island in the Bahamas region. (An Attic stadium corresponds to 177.6 m)

Indonesia

Prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos, Ph. D. in Nuclear Physics; Free-Docent, and Professor of Nuclear Physics at the Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil, has been researching on Atlantis for almost 30 years now, pointing out that "Atlantis was never found because we have all been looking in the wrong places". The reason for this, according to Prof. Santos, is that when Plato spoke of the Ocean of Atlantis, he was not speaking of the ocean that we today call Atlantic Ocean, but of the whole ocean that encircles Eurasia and Africa.

Prof. Santos hence concludes that Atlantis is really located in the Indo-Pacific Ocean, which was considered to be the eastward extension the modern Atlantic Ocean. The modern Atlantic Ocean was once deemed to extend all the way to the East Indies, a conception which lasted down to the times of Christopher Columbus and other Renaissance explorers and geographers. Despite the prevalent opinion of experts of all sorts that "continents cannot possibly sink", Prof. Santos managed to discover a whole sunken continent in the region of Indonesia, which he identifies with the Lost Continent of Atlantis, as can be seen in the detailed map published in his Atlantis site.

Prof. Santos hence concludes that Atlantis is really located in the Indo-Pacific Ocean, which was considered to be the eastward extension the modern Atlantic Ocean. The modern Atlantic Ocean was once deemed to extend all the way to the East Indies, a conception which lasted down to the times of Christopher Columbus and other Renaissance explorers and geographers. Despite the prevalent opinion of experts of all sorts that "continents cannot possibly sink", Prof. Santos managed to discover a whole sunken continent in the region of Indonesia, which he identifies with the Lost Continent of Atlantis, as can be seen in the detailed map published in his Atlantis site.

In February 2005, Canberra-based independent researcher Raimy Che-Ross, announced to the world that he had found a lost city in the unsunken Malaysian portion of the lost continent. A well funded expedition is now underway involving a large ground team of experts and Malaysia Centre For Remote Sensing (Macres) satellites. The Malaysian Department of Museums and Antiquities has been instructed to report their findings by August 2005.

India and Sri Lanka

In South India and Sri Lanka there is a reputed "Kumari Kandam" (kandam means "continent" in Tamil), believed to be submerged under the sea. This continent is surrounded by legendary stories similar to those of Atlantis. It has been called the "cradle of Dravidians". Also, there has been some people linking the "Kumari continent" to Lemuria.

In the Gulf of Cambay, there is an archeological submarine site of a former island named Dwaraka, which is mainly associated with locations in Indian mythology (especially in the Mahabharata), which has also appeared in discussions about Atlantis. But its date (about 1,500 BC) is too recent to correspond to the real site of Atlantis, according to Plato's date of 9,600 BC.

Antarctica

A seemingly bizarre hypothesis that the city of Atlantis was in Antarctica has typically received incredulous reactions from the scientific community. Under this theory, all continents and oceans shifted as one, causing the ancient south pole to be over ocean, liberating a considerable portion of Antarctica from its current ice sheet, yielding ideal conditions for human habitation. To back up this theory, controversial claims of precipitation-ice sheet thickness mismatches; new methods of translating Plato's text; and native flood stories from all sorts of different cultures around the world back up this controversial claim. However, due to the nature of finding and then excavating sites in Antarctica, not much followup research is immediately possible with such limited funding given public awareness of this hypothesis. Also, it is questionable that such a widespread ecological catastrophe in the form of an extreme geologic process could occur in such a short time period and leave relatively little evidence.

Ponza

Ponza has many similarities to the Atlantis legend.

Legend say that Ponza was the lost island of Tyrhenia which was large and had a city at it's edge. It was connected by land to the Italian mainland near Naples (Napoli). A volcano exploded and the island sunk leaving only the mountain top which is now called Ponza. Near Naples is Pozzuoli where Roman Temples in the harbor rose above water in the late 1960's due to volcanic processes.




I bleive that I have undeniable proof of the existence of Atlantis on the Mid Atlantis ridge sunken continent of Azores!

It's west of Spain and makes sense from Plato's accounts of it.

What this map does is show you the land masses that are sometimes hard to see in the Atlantic ocean.

See for yourself:


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Imagine all the artifacts to be found there, if not found already but are being kept secret

...and what's more, there's still parts of Azores that are above the Atlantic ocean! Yes, there are about a dozen islands and here's a website all about this beautiful place: http://www.azores.dk/

Want more proof?
Look at this topo map, it's much more detailed and you clearly see the sunken continent, word for word out of Plato's writings

http://topex.ucsd.edu/marine_topo/gif_t ... /topo8.gif

Here is why Azores, the remaining islands of the huge island of Poseida is the ancient Atlantis:

It supports the following descriptions Plato wrote:

It Is Located in the Middle of the Atlantic

It Lies West of the Pillars of Hercules

Its Size Matches that Described by Plato

It Is a Convenient Waypoint between the Pillars and the Americas

The Western, "Sea" Side of the Plateau is Mountainous

It Has a Large Plain Surrounded by Mountains on the North and West

It Is Submerged

"But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune ... the island of Atlantis ... disappeared in the depths of the sea"

These are the same islands that President Bush, Prime Minister Blair, and President Aznar went for the Azores Summit before the Iraq invasion of 2003

Wow, the more I read about this, the moer I see that it ties in with specific Biblical historical acocunts and prophecies of events to come, dealing with Atlantis.

Please, I ask you to read this:

All together, all the references in Plato, the Bible and Edgar Cayce make it clear that Atlantis was at once both the center and the ruler of the antediluvian world. Sitting in the middle of the Atlantic, Atlantis had easy access to both the eastern and the western hemispheres. She likely controlled world trade with her powerful navy, dominated the world with her technologically advanced armies, and nearly conquered the world with her boundless ambitions.

The kings of Atlantis were no mere mortals, but giants, both physically and intellectually, semi-divine beings that considered puny mankind to be fodder for their totalitarian ambitions. These children of Belial tried to destroy the perfect seed that God had created, the Sons of the Law of One, but failed, due to the endless, bloody warfare with their other giant brethren around the world, the greatest of which, according to Plato were the Athenians. The Athenians were likely also giants, the offspring of the goddess Athene, which explains why they were able to defend against the Atlanteans where all else had failed.

Atlantis

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:31 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: midnit magik

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." ( Luke 10:18)

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven ... 'Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.'" ( Rev. 12:8-10, 12)

"The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss." ( Rev. 9:1-2)

Image from Dore's Illustrations for "Paradise Lost".
These semi-divine giants were the descendants of a mysterious race of divine beings who, in the earliest times of Earth's history, had come down to Earth in order to rule over it. These "fallen angels" had created a race of proto-humans, some of which were gigantic in size, as a race of workers that they used to accomplish this task. God, who was in conflict with these fallen angels, did not want this, and created Adam â?? man as we know him today â?? in order to destroy and replace the inferior and wicked creations of the fallen angels. However, instead of destroying the creations of the fallen angels, Adam and Eve instead were apparently enticed into intermarrying with them. In this interpretation, the two "trees" in the Garden of Eden account were not literal trees, but symbolized the two different DNAs of these two divergent races of mankind. Thus, by interbreeding with the giants, symbolically "eating the apple" from "The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil", Adam and Eve spoiled their pure genetic seed, "The Tree of Life", by mixing it with that of the inferior creations of the fallen angels. As a result, they and their descendants were estranged from God, as they were now consorting with God's enemies, the fallen angels and their giant offspring, the nephilim. Ever since that time, these "two seeds", "the seed of the woman", and "the seed of the serpent", have struggled for dominance over the Earth, used as proxies in the ongoing war between God and the fallen angels.

For a time these two seeds, whom Cayce referred to as the Sons of the Law of One and the children of Belial, dwelt together in relative peace on the island of Atlantis and elsewhere, apparently intermarrying with each other even though this had been forbidden by God. Together they developed a high degree of technological prowess, to the point where they could travel equally well by air, land or sea, transmit information over long distances, and also transmit energy over long distances, either for constructive or destructive purposes, much like today. Whereas for a time the children of Belial dwelt peaceably with the Sons of the Law of One, their lust for power soon took over, and they separated from the Sons of the Law of One and began to focus more and more on developing military technologies in order to conquer the world. Refusing to cooperate, the Sons of the Law of One began to emigrate to colonies around the world, using their technology to help mankind, instead of enslaving and destroying them as the children of Belial sought to do. The children of Belial developed their technologies to the point where they could actually tap into the volcanic forces deep beneath the earth, and developed methods of causing earthquakes in diverse places in order to discomfit their enemies. This also weakened the magma pressure beneath the island of Atlantis, however, and as a result, much of the island sank beneath the waves of the Atlantic. This was the First Great Destruction of Atlantis.

Thousands of years passed as the Atlanteans rebuilt their shattered civilization, and the children of Belial repented of their warlike ways for a time. However, over thousands of years memories of the First Destruction of Atlantis faded, and the children of Belial again tried to take over the world, causing the the Second Great Destruction of Atlantis, around 50,000 b.c. Many thousand of years passed, and the children of Belial took more care in handling their technology until around 9500 b.c., when their warmaking resulted in the Third Great Destruction of Atlantis, when the remaining islands of Atlantis sunk below the waves.

This final destruction was not completely the result of the world war that was raging just before the Flood, however. Apparently God saw that it was necessary to intervene before the Earth became so polluted that it would become uninhabitable. The Earth, already greatly polluted by the weapons of the Nephilim â?? which Cayce intimated were nuclear in nature â?? had to be cleansed, so God sent a Flood to destroy and bury the antediluvian world, save a precious few of the Law of One that were still genetically pure. God accomplished this by sending an angel to Noah with instructions on how to build an ark and, once this was accomplished, he instructed the archangels to hurl rocks down on the Earth, destroying Atlantis and Athens "in a single day and night". These massive asteroids, besides causing massive earthquakes, caused huge tidal waves to drown the coastlands and also threw up massive amounts of water into the atmosphere, which rained down over the entire earth for 40 days and 40 nights. As a result, the entire surface was flooded for 150 days, and the entire antediluvian world was buried under hundreds of feet of sediment â?? purified from the pollution of the Nephilim and from the Nephilim themselves. Only Noah and his family survived to repopulate the Earth, though the spirits of the dead Nephilim, it is said, still roam the Earth, tormenting mankind. And what happened to the fallen angels? The archangels had been ordered to specifically target them with the huge rocks they threw down on Earth, burying them in the low places of the Earth, the abyssal plains underneath the oceans â?? exactly where the Azores â?? the remnants of legendary Atlantis â?? are located.

This brings us full circle in our study of legendary Atlantis. Cayce and others have said that Atlantis would one day rise again, at the time of the end when the Pyramid of Records near the Sphinx would be opened and the records of Atlantis' history from the foundation to its final destruction would be revealed. Cayce makes it clear, however, that the Pyramid of Records cannot be opened until Atlantis rises. To this end, at the time of the end the Bible says that an angel that had fallen to earth â?? one of the fallen angels who had created the Nephilim â?? would be given the key to the Abyss which, according to the Book of Enoch, is where the angels Semjaza and Azazel had been buried by the archangels. This, is course, refers to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the lowest place on Earth, over which the Azores are located. Obviously, the Abyss, which is also associated with the deep sea in the biblical accounts, is the mid-Atlantic ridge, specifically, the area around the Azores plateau, which we have determined was the site of legendary Atlantis. Therefore, the fallen angel will be allowed to raise Atlantis once more.

Somehow, Atlantis, the Sphinx, and the Apocalypse are all inextricably linked. But what is the "key"? We know that the war between God and the fallen angels will break out again into open warfare at the time of the end, as it is clearly outlined in the Book of Revelation. At this time, God once again will direct the archangels to hurl rocks down upon wicked mankind, just as he did at the time of Noah, when the Nephilim were running rampant and polluting and destroying the Earth. When Jesus described how things would be at the time of the end, saying "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man". ( Matt. 24:37), he knew that the Nephilim would be on the Earth again, up to their old tricks, giving man technology so that they could fight one another. However, this time, one group will be allowed to win and take over the Earth for a period of time, as this time God is coming to Earth to take over for good, and permanently imprison the fallen angels. The fallen angels will therefore work together to provide a unified defense. To accomplish this, just before the Apocalypse, mankind will be raised to a high level of technology in order to create "wonder weapons" that the fallen angels will use in a desparate last-ditch defense against the Second Coming. It is no coincidence that the Book of Revelation is rife with descriptions of world war, and of rocks thrown down to earth by the archangels, as they had done it once before, at the time of Noah.

So here we are, at a time of high technology, at the brink of world war, when the Nephilim appear to be on Earth once more. Soon, perhaps already, the final conquest and consolidation of Earth will begin once again, accomplished with wonder weapons of a technology level not seen on Earth since before the Flood. Already some areas of the Earth that may hold the key to unlocking Atlantis â?? and the not-so-pleasant characters that were buried with it â?? have been liberated. Perhaps a latter-day Nimrod will arise and find the key to unlock the secrets of Atlantis, and the details about humanity's origins. That day may be a day of great hope and enlightenment â?? or perhaps a great day of fear and terror, the likes of which the world has not seen since the beginning. One thing is for sure, for good or for ill, Atlantis is rising again


You see, it all makes perfect sense! Everything makes sense. Of course, if you haven't read the Bible which deals with these acocunts, you won't understnad but you should. The Nefelim could be what others have called the Annunaki. Either way, God, the Creator of time and space, had destroyed Atlantis because of the evil the Nefelim, giants and fallen angels were causing.

Beleive to understand guys....please
This isn't some wacky theory, this is backed up by proof and logic.

Well, today I've found that the evidence for Atlantis to be sunken under the Mediterranean Sea is just as good as the Azores evidence, if better. It would make more sense geographically since the biblical flood was caused by the melting ice coming in from the Atlantic through Gibraltar which acted as a natural dam which got overflowed and sank Atlantis, creating thus the Mediterranean Ocean. Also, Plato said that the Athenians were at war with Atlantians and other evidence that points to that area, which only has Cyprus left above the ocean, as the lost continent of Atlantis.

Either way, Azores or Cyprus and the sunken surroundings, all the info I gave is still true, the text in bold and makes perfect sense. You must remember that the Noah flood was talked about by lato to and it was the flooding that the known world at that time, not the entire globe. The evidence is enough to prove all of this.

A final possible place, but in my opinion less likely, are the Bimini islands in the Bermuda region. Yes, severla megalithic structres have been found but its WAY too far from Gree and Egypt and does not make sense as do Azores and Cyprus

Cyprus, Azores or Bimini...we will know once the hall of records under the Sphinx paw is opened and let known to the world...

here's some info I found today that corroborates my story. The Atlantis motherland HAD to be the sunken Azores continent


According to Plato (?) who visited the Egyptians and remarked that their civilization was " Older and more advanced than Greek "....
To which one of the Egyptian preists replied ...

"We are but outposts of the motherland, that lay beyond the Pillars of Hurcules ( Straits of Gibraltar ). You people revolted and would not pay the taxes/soldiers to them, so they sent an army and drove you UP INTO THE HILLS ( Macedonia ), where your culture langished for several thousand years, before you came back to build your present cities."
This would fit the theory of Atlantis being the ´motherland´, and might explain the unusual connection of the Tissue Antigens. I note that the further away the country, the greater difference ( generally )in these antigens, which might be explained by inbreeding of soldiers sent there with the indigenous population, being there would be few, if any women from their native country for marriage/procreation on long duty tours, as was the case of the Roman Empire.

According to Plato who visited the Egyptians and remarked that their civilization was "Older and more advanced than Greek "....
To which one of the Egyptian preists replied ...

"We are but outposts of the motherland, that lay beyond the Pillars of Hurcules ( Straits of Gibraltar ). You people revolted and would not pay the taxes/soldiers to them, so they sent an army and drove you UP INTO THE HILLS ( Macedonia ), where your culture langished for several thousand years, before you came back to build your present cities."

Plato says that there were earthquakes. The Azores lie exactly on a intersection of 3 tectonic plates. This would explain the earthquakes that obliterated Atlantis.
Check out the tectonics here: http://topex.ucsd.edu/marine_topo/earth ... europe.jpg


http://www.abouttenerife.com/tenerife/legend2.asp

For centuries, even after the Spanish conquest, it was believed that the islands were the uppermost peaks of the lost continent of Atlantis of which Plato wrote in his "Timeos and Critias".
Atlantis was a big island, "larger than Libya and Asia together", located beyond the Columns of Hercules (the Strait of Gibraltar). It was the dominion of Poseidon, god of the Sea, and it was inhabited by the Atlants, descendants of its first king Atlas, son of the god and a mortal women.

Atlantis was immensely wealthy and the Atlants were the most advanced people of the world. In the center of the continent raised the great capital town with the Palace and the Temple of Poseidon. Its scientists transmitted their skills and civilization knowledges to other peoples, with whom they maintained peace.

Atlants observed their laws of justice, generosity and peace for many generations. But in time they degenerated and became greedy and warlike. Others add that they discovered the secrets of the gods, secrets of cosmic energies and forces which could destroy mankind.

About 11,500 years ago Zeus, king of the gods, punished the Atlants. In the course of a single night volcanoes and tidal waves destroyed the big island in a disaster of cosmic proportions.
According to the legend, only the islands of Azores, Madeira, Canaries and Cape Verde remain from Atlantis. These were the lost continent's highest summits. But its palaces and temples are still to be found in the bottom of the sea, a sea which took its name from Atlantis: the Atlantic Ocean.

"Its steady palaces inhabited by dolphins,
its meadows and gardens carpeted with seaweed..."
(Jacinto Verdaguer - "La Atlántida")

Here are photo galleries of the Azores: http://www.pbase.com/tgdusty/azores

http://www.destinazores.com/photos.php

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe ... ds/Acores/

http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/87517699jXDdaT

Also, I'll add that everyone should read and watch what Michael Tsarion has to say.

This video explains who the Atlanteans were and why they were destroyed: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1969524094

I warn you, this video is extremely powerful and filled to the brim with information.

Also, the 5 part series about Atlantis and its history is interesting

"The Legend of Atlantis"

Google Video Links to the video: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=l ... f+atlantis


http://video.google.com/url?docid=60567 ... eKPKNAVUww

http://www.mininova.org/tor/349590

Tsarion says Atlantis was only the central city of a much large continate.


the Irish of today doesn't necesarrily mean it was the same Arish back then
but Tsarion Says there is a link with Ireland and Atlantis

http://irishoriginsofcivilization.com/i ... gins1.html

, Arish = Aryan



there articles on michael;s site which explains the irish origins part


but as i understand it the atlantean alien visitors, our creators, we are a mix of humanoid dna, like the ones of the apes, was mixed with these visitor's dna, and we are the result

we look like them, and these guys is what the greek gods are depicted like in hollywood

but they were evil, and they congregated around babylon, middle east area,

the their first creation, they 'serpent' that visited and freed the Adamic (us) race, they went to around the british isles area, and created the real druids, the fairy tale folklore, elf-type of culture

in harmony with nature

and its here that the women were more in tune with the higher sciences/magic

thats why theres alot more women psychics than men psychics nowadays

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sHFlpodGVw

Atlantis

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:13 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: theleague

good add on's midnit magik

Atlantis

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:22 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: midnit magik

Michael Tsarion, has noted that Tolkien was adamant that his work not be taken allegorically, but as a kind of history; Tsarion thinks Tolkien's studies of Nordic and Celtic literature led him to the uncovering of what may be facts about the world-spanning ancient cultures loosely known as Atlantis and Lemuria, and that he disguised this information through fiction, knowing he'd never be taken seriously by the scientismic (reductionist) mainstream. Tsarion contends, and quite rightly I think, that ancient peoples weren't given to creating science fiction. He believes their so-called "myths & legends" contain more literal truth than they do allegory. The "tales" that come down to us from at least 5,000 years ago, Tsarion insists, were actually histories of a time before even that, and tell us how the survivors of the ancient maritime culture called Atlantis came to settle in places such as Ireland. Here is where his theory gets really far out, and yet connects with this whole business about the Elohim, Seraphim, Zophim, and Nephilim: Tsarion is convinced that the Atlanteans were divine/human offspring of the Nephilim (themselves a crossbreed of Seraphim [Sitchin's Annunaki, as detailed in the Sumerian clay tablets] and early human women), who in turn created yet another version of humanity as their servants (detailed in the Genesis Garden of Eden story) -- the race that we are part of. These latter humans, though originally dumbed-down for purposes of servitude, were apparently later genetically enhanced by a few sympathetic Atlanteans, and when the servant-humans realized their plight (after receiving the secret of "the knowledge of good and evil" from kinder Atlanteans, or possibly (as Michael S. Heiser contends) from serpent-featured Seraphim -- "seraphim" being a word that connotes serpent-like features), they rebelled and left to establish Lemuria, of which the early human civilizations of Sumeria and Egypt were but distant remnants. Tsarion and a few other pre-history scholars believe that the Zophim/Nephilim/Annunaki overlords continued to harrass humankind throughout all these changes, which is why they seem to compose the pantheons of most every civilization around the world, with similar names and similar stories of corruption among the "gods." (Consider, for example, such geographically far-flung mythologies as those of Greece and Peru.) Anyway, it could be that Tolkien came across information of this sort, and wrote about it in his novels. Today, as I began reading Tolkien's creation story, Ainulindale, which occurs at the beginning of the book, I realized that my former inability to penetrate the work had been because I hadn't then had enough life-experience and philosophical preparation to be able to understand it. Now, I am finding it to be the most cogent thing I've ever read. Reading of how Iluvatar created the divine beings, and initiated a grand song, which became corrupted by Melkior's ego, strikes such a chord with me that I am suddenly in reverence of Tolkien's perspicacity. I know now that he was onto something important even long before Zechariah Sitchin and the later Atlantean/Sumerian/early Bible scholars came on the scene.my friend had been trying to convince me of the importance of this book for years, but my eyes were closed and I could not see. How I look foward to the rest of The Silmarillion!

In the early 1960s, while inventing The Fantastic Four, Stan Lee & Jack Kirby created a being called The Watcher, who lived on the moon and observed humankind. Actually, he was of a race of such beings, who had similar outposts throughout the (Marvel Comics) universe. They operated under a non-intervention directive.

Several months ago, while considering Genesis 6, passages from Job, a particular Psalm, and the non-canonical Book of Enoch, I became aware of the Elohim (plural), divine beings created by Elohim (singular) -- a.k.a. God -- to serve in his assembly. Some of these Elohim rebelled against God and became known as the fallen angels. The Book of Enoch refers to them as Watchers, and says that they live on the moon. These Watchers seem to have a different directive from the Lee & Kirby kind: they meddle in the lives of humans (as when the Seraphim mated with the daughters of men, thus creating the race of Nephilim -- the giants of old).

I find it unlikely that Lee and Kirby could, in 1962 or thereabouts, have understood these very veiled Biblical mysteries, which have only received serious scholarship in the last few years. Yet I cannot accept that separately-conceived versions of Watchers, in both cases living on the moon -- can be accounted for by chance (especially as I don't believe in chance). In my opinion, these two references to Watchers indicate a synchronicity to which I should pay especial attention.


Thi also relates to origins evil.

Is "evil" an indispensable part of reality? Is it the scourge of the world? Would there be crime, racism or hate without it? What would "good" do if there wasn't evil?

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... el+tsarion

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/index ... el+tsarion

In Biblical terms, evil was created when Satan, one of God's leading angels, rebelled against His word. This implies that there was a time when there was no evil (before Satan went against God's word). But when was this time? Does the Bible say? Do any other ancient texts give any clues? And just what is evil?

Enter divination scholar and sidereal mythologist Michael Tsarion. He has been wrestling with these very questions since he was a 13-year-old boy growing in up in Belfast, Ireland. Born into a lineage of "spiritual adepts," he says, and inspired by writers like J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, Tsarion began to think that stories like Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia weren't the fiction they were supposed to be.

In fact the young Tsarion would find later in life that the authors themselves claimed to have been used as channels for these tales, as if some spiritually "elevated" force was trying to expose the true history of humanity. This idea intrigued Tsarion and led to his now twenty-five years of research into the subject of evil, culminating in his first book Atlantis, Alien Visitation & Genetic Manipulation (AAVGM, self-published).

Tsarion wishes potential critics to realize that he is not adding any new scientific research into the study for the search for Atlantis. However, through his search for the origins of evil from a philosophical perspective, he found that there are over 30,000 ancient texts that speak of a lost continent and advanced civilization known as Atlantis.

Further, he found that many sincere researchers, philosophers and scientific geniuses that tried to unveil this alternate history of humankind have been shunned, ostracized, jailed and/or murdered so as to keep these truths hidden. Tsarion cites Nicola Tesla, Wilhelm Reich, Comyns Beaumont, and Raymond Royal Rife as a few good examples.

Then he asked himself the crucial question: If Atlantis did exist, could it have played a role in evil entering the human sphere? In AAVGM Tsarion explores this question.

It is Tsarion's contention that roughly 50,000 years ago a galactic battle spilled onto Earth. This involved a vanquished race, which the ancients called "Serpents" because of their advanced knowledge, and which hid from unidentified "pursuers" in the deep caves.

Apparently, the pursuers didn't have the ability to purge the Serpents from our planet's rocky mantle. So instead of attempting to root them out, these pursuers decided to trap them on Earth in a sort of frequency barrier. Tsarion calls this the "Stargate" which equates with the Native American "Great Web in the Sky."

This is when these prisoners realized that they would have to rebuild their technology if they were ever going to get to leave Earth. During the many millennia in hiding, the only means by which they had to regain their former technology and break through the barrier was to exploit every last resource on Earth, including the surface dwellers. So they set out to do just that. Herein, says Tsarion, lies the crux of humankind's origins and the advent of evil on Earth.

"Evil is merely a proclivity," said Tsarion via telephone from his Seattle residence. "It is a genetic trait, or tendency, which begins as general inhumanity and graduates into total idiocy. Evil is a programmed, self-destructive dysfunction and I believe it came into this world with the arrival of the aliens and the genetic manipulation of Earth's indigenous humanoid species. You see, once these reptilians came above ground they began to physically alter and psychologically mold the indigenous surface dwellers into useful slaves to help facilitate the rebuilding of their hardware. There is ample evidence to show that this was done through genetic manipulation, and very likely at Atlantis."

According to Tsarion, these advanced aliens waited until a natural disaster disrupted the communities of the surface, making it much easier to gain control of the various populations. Spiritually amnesic, the indigenous Earth species began to accept and worship the advanced beings as gods, or God, because they restored civilization.

The first hybrid slaves are what Tsarion calls "Homo Atlantis" or "Sons of the Serpents." They grew to rebel and broke away from what Tsarion theorizes was Atlantis and formed another advanced civilization known to the ancients as Lemuria.

But now, the Atlantean "Serpent Fathers" needed more slaves. The next effort became "Adamic Man," he says, or modern Homo sapiens. And besides a smaller brain capacity and weaker skeletal system, the main differences between Homo Atlantis and Homo sapiens was an added genetic trait. This key trait, this penchant for self-destruction which Tsarion speculates is evil, works in relation with the planned society. In other words, the Serpent Fathers first created humanity with its genetically programmed bent towards annihilation and then proceeded to design a society conducive to the tendency. It was the perfect strategy for control of their new slave race.
This genetic trait works perfectly within the framework of a simple and strategically used philosophy, says Tsarion, known today as Hegelian philosophy. As first described in recorded history by medieval German secret society patron George Fredrick Hegel, it can be summed up in a basic equation: thesis + antithesis = synthesis. Basically, to use Hegelian strategy one would set up two opposing forces, let them fight until they become vulnerable, and then be in a position to offer a solution. In this engineered situation both sides look to the engineer for answers and relinquish sovereignty in the process.

So by genetically adding this quality of self-destruction to the naturally life-affirming genetic programming of the indigenous Earth humanoids, a simple and seemingly inescapable Hegelian opposition was formed: good vs. evil. This is the psycho/spiritual backdrop, he says, that has governed human society throughout recorded history.

However, this Hegelian foundation is just the start because the Fathers have an understanding and practicable knowledge of the soul. He says this involves magic, or the use of intention, symbolism, and ritual, to communicate with one's spirit self.

Because of our lack of awareness of magic, Tsarion says, it is used against humanity for the perpetual suppression of our higher selves. It is also involved in the creation of cities. Not only were cities an easy way to keep track of a large number of humans but when packed so close together, it is much easier to breed disease, crime and emotional squalor, all key components of keeping humans out of sync.

Cities are also where symbols, inherently benign magical tools, are imbued with destructive energy to help support our hypnosis. Producing emotions like hatred, fear, and anger in mass quantities through their Hegelian structure works perfectly in cities where people are cramped, on edge, and fighting for every dollar.

But this magical knowledge doesn't stop there, he says, because the Fathers also have an understanding of the highest magic; the magic of the Galactic Core.

Tsarion says that this energy is transmitted through our Sun to all of the planets in our solar system. On Earth, it is received by its core and physically expressed in energy points and lines on the planet's surface. This is known as Earth's morphogenic field, he says, and it is the source of all life on the planet. This is why the Fathers put many large cities, churches, and other distinctly magical structures where we find them today, he says, because the heightened emotions generated on key points along these "ley" lines disrupts the energy flow to Earth. All levels of magic, from individual to Galactic, seek the use of this same energy.

"This is fringe stuff," said Tsarion. "You have to be one of the Merlins, St. Germains or Dr. John Dees of magical lore to understand it. This is what we're up against, beings that have the knowledge of the very real power of magic. This knowledge has not only been suppressed from humankind but it is used against us today."

When the Sons heard of this macro plan to create and enslave this second race (humans), it led to a catastrophic war destroying both continents and most of their inhabitants. It left both sides depleted and forced each one to keep track of and guard their particular DNA strains until they could rebuild their technology.

The society we have today, he says, reflects this ongoing battle between the two bloodlines. While the Fathers suppress past knowledge and pilfer the people and land so that they can one day leave this planet; the Sons are trying to wake up humanity though the use of storytelling via the media. This all operates on magical principles and while the Sons obey the law of non-interference, the Fathers have not.

So as the Fathers struggle to leave the planet, do they do so with the deadline of December 21st, 2012 in mind? They may, says Tsarion; since the Fathers have violated this and many other magical, universal laws, the governing energies of the Galactic core are seeking to restore balance. According to ancients like the Mayans, the beam currently emanating from the Galactic core will shift frequencies in 2012 on this date.

"I don't know if the Fathers need or want to leave Earth by 2012," continued Tsarion. "I just think that they want to leave as fast as they can and return to their former lives. And it's too late for a physical fight. What we need to do is too become more aware of the subtler influences of symbolism. The Western world is symbol belligerent. Today's schools intentionally don't teach this as part of the suppression of our higher selves. What good does it do to pick up a book on [Carl] Jung or [Joseph] Campbell at age thirty with no background or upbringing on the subject? Consequently, few comprehend their work."

But not only do humans need to become more aware of magic, he says, but also to rise up in unison, all with the same healing mentalities. And since the Fathers have literally gone to the source to cut humanity and Earth off from their natural lifelines, Tsarion says that we must do the same. He says we must use a holistic approach.

"The solution is organic and has to do with the Earth's core," he said. "We have to wake up the Earth. All of the teachings are useless unless we are all facing the center; focusing all of our attention and intention towards the middleâ??the crystal core. The Native Americans subscribe to the idea that if we all stand together on the surface of the Earth and lines are extended from space through each persons head, through their feet to the Earth's core, the lines only converge if you look to the middle, the core. The lines diverge heading outward. So we must come together and look inward to restore balance. If you love the Earth you are immediately moved to action."

For more information about Tsarion's book or his Online Western Mystery School go to http://www.taroscopes.com.

Atlantis

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:25 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: midnit magik
ATLANTIS, 2012 and the
AGE OF RECKONING

In the following decade of this new millennium the human race is destined to finally discover the facts about its true origins and destiny. As part of this discovery we have to address the overwhelmingly important question of how the phenomena of evil came into the world and into the consciousness of the Earth's human inhabitants. This is a question which should be on the mind of every living man and woman. It has been with us for millennia and it will be with the children of the future if we do not come upon the answer now. We have left the question of evil in the hands of theologians and scientists for too long. This was surely a mistake for as the casualty statistics clearly testify the institutions of religion and science have been the worst purveyors of evil that this planet has ever had to endure. After centuries of prevarication and criminality we can no longer afford to look to these edifices to answer the all-important conundrum of evil. But if we turn from religion and science, in this regard, does it mean that we are left in a void? Is there, perhaps, another answer to how the phenomenon of evil came into being? I believe that the answer lies in the ancient records of our forefathers and in the myths and legends of the pre- and post-diluvian epochs, that speak of the visitation of the "gods" or "angels."

In the past the orthodox enclaves of religion and science have outwardly paid little heed to tantalizing ancient legends coming from all over the planet which have as central motifs references to advanced prehistoric civilizations. Entrapped within their unsustainable Darwinian dogmas concerning human origins and ancestry, behind fictitious data concerning the geological fossil record and behind personal myopia concerning our perfumed garden Earth and the cosmos we all inhabit, mainstream academes have seen fit to habitually relegate the subject of Atlantis and prediluvian history to the realm of pseudo-science and arcane novelty. Ignored or sequestered are the 30,000 surviving texts that describe continents where culturally superior societies dwelt and once experienced the total destruction of their world about 13,000 years ago.

Scientists have had to frequently admit that predictions and suppositions from laypersons have been proven uncannily valid time and time again. What were they to make of the fact that 175 years prior to it being proven, the 18th century author, politician, and theologian, Johnathon Swift, knew of the existence of Martian satellites, including their distance from Mars and periods of rotation? What do we make of Russian scientist Dr. L. Shklovsky when he announced, in 1959, that the two moons circling Mars are artificial satellites that were put into orbit by a civilization occupying the red planet long ago. What of Immanuel Velikovsky's exact knowledge of the anti-clockwise orbit of Venus, its exact temperature, and the fact that it was the most recent body to our solar system, all subsequently proven true?

What are we to make of the anomalous artifacts which constantly defy categorization and even fly directly in the face of established paradigms? What of the "Crystal Skull," the "Star-Child" skull, the Aztec Calendar, the temple at Baalbeck, the Xian Pyramid, the Piri Reis map of 1513, and the sandal prints in rock dating 500 million years of age? What can be made of the strange notosphilia of certain animals? Lemmings, eels, birds, and even butterflies that have been seen to circle around a certain spot in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean clearly attempting to negotiate some non-existent land mass or descend to rest? What does it mean when coral is brought to the surface from depths of 3,000 feet to show striations that could only have been formed in an atmospheric environment? Before the modern scientist becomes indignant and seeks to regale us, we ask an explanation as to how it was that Aulukya, the Indian philosopher, could assert the existence of a miniature solar system within the atom, how he could identify the principles of molecular construction and transformation, as well as the theory of relativity 2800 years prior to Einstein? Why do we read in the Mahabharata of the existence of thermo-nuclear weaponry capable of extinguishing hundreds of thousands of people by their heat and glare, and which could only be used by one side in retaliation for the adversary using their versions first? Why is fused glass found in profusion beneath the sands of Iraqi plains. Why are radioactive tektites and isotopes found all over the Dead Sea basin at the very location posited for the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? What are we to make of the glassware discovered in Syria by Dr. R. V. Dolphin that were constructed in temperatures of 6,000 degrees Celsius, just 2,000 degrees less than the temperature of the sun?

Fortunately, there are those few from within the academic enclaves who cannot be silenced and who are willing to look again at the array of unexplained data. Certain free-thinking men and women of science are filled with awe and curiosity when mysterious ruins turn up in the depths of the Andes or from beneath fathoms of water in Japan, when some new intricately designed artifacts or even modern hominoid skeletons emerge from strata dating back 60 million years and more. Paleontologist Michael Cremo, for instance, writes in his monumental revisionist work Forbidden Archaeology of crafted artifacts discovered in strata as old as 2.5 Billion years which have shapes and compositions that the hominoids of the time could not have produced. And in the monumental work from the 90s called When the Earth Nearly Died, scientists Alain and Delair, finally give us the science that proves beyond doubt that the Earth was indeed visited by a recent catastrophe and pole shift and that not one but five continents sank beneath the waves of a frightful deluge that extinguished almost all the flora and fauna on the surface of the planet. Why is it that we have not heard worldwide debate on this book and its findings which serve to vindicate not only thousands of lambasted freethinkers and scholars, but innumerable indigenous legends? Why is there silence over Robert Milton¹s recent classic Shattering the Myths of Darwinism which refutes with formidable arguments the theories of Evolution and Uniformitarianism, etc,?

Many a modern scientist has expressed a belief that a thermo-nuclear holocaust occurred in ancient times. Commenting on the Mahabharata, top physicist Fredrick Soddy wrote in his book Interpretation of Radium:

Can we not read in them some justification for the belief that some forgotten race of men attained not only the knowledge that we have so recently won, but also that power that is not yet ours? I believe that there have been civilizations in the past that were familiar with atomic energy and that by misusing it they were totally destroyed.

At Rochester University, when Robert Oppenheimer was asked if the discharge of his Atomic bomb was the first such event, he answered publicly: Well yes, in modern times, of course. Does he know something we don't? Do the Bible and hundreds of other scriptures and myths contain information about ancient wars on this planet:

The Lord also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hailstones and coals of fire. Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightenings, and discomfited them - Psalms 18:13

A fire goeth before Him, and burneth up His enemies round about Him - Psalms 97:3

The day of the Lord is cometh as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be be burned - 2 Peter 3:10

Many writers and commentators speak about the strange beings that existed in pre-diluvian times, and who were certainly involved in the tribulations that were later attributed to purely supernatural agencies.

And on Earth shall be monsters, a generation of dragons of men and likewise of serpents - Clement (Apocalyptic Fragment)

Atlantis race became a nation of evil magiciansÅ the giants and magicians and all flesh died and every man - Madame Helena Blavatsky

There were the giants famous from the beginning, that were of so great stature, and so expert in war. But they were destroyed, because they had no wisdom, and perished through their own foolishness - Book of Baruch 3:24

If our planet, and our forefathers, did indeed experience such tempestuous upheavals then not only are anomalies, of the type mentioned earlier, explained but we can also assume that within our existing subliminal racial memories such events remain as engrammatic encodations. Cannot our various fears and phobias, therefore, have physiological rather than psychological causes? Why do we really experience fear of the dark, of certain insects and noises, of enclosed places, of water and storms, and so on? And, again, what about the mysterious image of the serpent which is so revered and feared by the world¹s nations?

How many of us, with the philosophers, have wondered why our intellectual and technological expertise and advancement is so far ahead of our emotional, psychological and spiritual natures? I believe that all the answers to these questions can be found by a reading of the bequeathed works of our ancestors. Looking to and studying the works of our ancestors, however, should not be an idle or frivolous endeavor. It should be undertaken with the detail and method expected of the professed scientist, with the reverence and moral sensibility expected of the professed theologian and, most of all, with the passion to find out why it is that we inhabit the moral climate we do, why we go from the sublime heights to the demonic depths. For it may be that it will not only be the ancients who experienced tribulation and ruin in their times, but it may soon be ourselves experiencing the same. For, it has been said that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Now, in regards ancient anomalies and ancient prophecies, we cannot help but specifically wonder at the predictions gleaned from the Maya Calendar of the Long Count, which stipulated the 13 year "Age of Reckoning" (between 1996 and 2012) in which mankind's inner constitution would be made apparent, and the end-date year 2012 when history itself would end. Though different scholars each have a specific take on the meaning of this prophecy, I personally believe that it is not as much a prophecy, in the traditional sense, but a simple statement of a pre-known end-game being orchestrated in ancient times by the Atlanteans progenitors (giants or gods) of "Adamic Man," those who have shaped the whole of history, ancient and modern, and who are leading humanity to a point when their "revelation" will take place, one that may not include their erstwhile servants on the lower tiers of the hierarchic pyramid. That the political events of our present times are centered in the Middle East, the birthplace of our unsustainable post-diluvian empires, is suggestive and even alarming to those who have made a close study of alternative history, and who sense a more malign force operating behind the saber-rattling of the Right and Left, the victims and avengers, the "cops" and "robbers" and "made-for-media," orchestrated chaos. Will 2012 be the end of the world, or only of the world as we know it? Certainly, time seems to be speeding up and the economic, political, religious and sociological idioms which we have taken for granted for millennia and which we have labored so hard to create, do seem to be morphing and even degenerating into something anti-human and anti-nature. As T. S. Eliot wrote in his poem "The Four Quartets," the ending is in our beginning, and as such, I believe, that in the next 10 years the intelligent within mankind will have no alternative but to look to their own true beginnings in order to know what lies ahead and what to do when we arrive at the Maya "zero-hour." (Dec 21 2012). Now, for some, looking ahead causes enormous trepidation, while for others it brings calm. In either case, the major prophecies and scriptures, when taken together, make a fascinating archive for debate. It is up to the individual (as always) to bring sense to their content. Are they the ravings of escapists? Are they the epiphenomena of mental derangement? Are they flights of creative fancy? Or, are they accurate, if edited, excerpts from the final chapter of the great book of history, transmitted to us by those privy, in one way or another, to the machinations of mankind's and history's creators and controllers? Are they exhortations from the brothers and sisters of humanity who have, through the ages, walked very near to us, and wept bitter tears for our sorry predicament, our endemic ignorance and existential fragility?

The author J. R. R. Tolkien caused some confusion when he emphatically assured readers that his masterpiece "The Lord of the Rings" was NOT and allegory. It is not an allegory, and neither is the Book of History. There is very little that is fictional in either, except to those minds who have, as yet, not learned how to tell fact from fiction. The next ten years will encapsulate millennia of experience, for it is not that time is "speeding up" but that the hands of the inner clock of consciousness are slowing down. Something within us is applying the breaks, and we are each and all going to very soon know for sure whether we are heading for the shining summits of Olympus or the gloom of the precipice of Hades, and whether Sir Francis Bacon's utopian, hierarchical and high-tech "New Atlantis," which so many visionaries, inventors, tyrants and tycoons, have lived, labored and slaughtered to build, may fall into the oceans as did the old one, so many ages ago.
Michael Tsarion
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Atlantis

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:19 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: unbertontron

[QUOTE=sami999x;262754]The only evidence remaining that Atlantis existed is the phenomena that airplanes and ships face when going into the bermuda triangle. They always sink. Or could it simply be some unusual abnormality in Earth's magnetic core? I guess we'll never know.

For all we know, if America got sunk by a Super Katrina tomorrow, then 2000 years later, it'll be a myth too.[/QUOTE]

I have seen a theory that states its from the methane gas vents in the triangle, which could also account for the sinking of a continent. As far as other evidence, as stated prior, its all speculation when using the 5 main sense. However outside of this realm is where the juiciness begins. We just need the proverbial microscope of the Luminist to uncover what is to be of what was.
Also I have read The Emerald Tablets.. Theres some interesting stuff in there.
Heres a link to a website I found with some of the different theories developed from channelers.
Atlantis

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:40 am
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: Aurum

If anyone is still interested in Atlantis, a book that got me into the understanding of it all is called A Child's Story of Atlantis. It's very sweet.

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:57 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: MatthewK

This is the second pseudoscience post I've seen in the past 45 minutes. To discover the lost secrets of Atlantis, Piri Re'is, Mu, Lemuria, etc. read the following...

Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience

Flaws of Argumentation

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:08 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: AlTan

Although I'm not a believer in the detail of the expositions presented in this thread, I think we should be careful when pulling the "pseudoscience" card on a site such as this. It basically invalidates everything said not just here, but on all occult forums.

To a scientist pseudoscience, just doesn't mean something isn't scientific, but can still be real. It means, it's a figment of imagination, and properly belongs in children's fairy tails or discussions held in mental institutions (and not by the doctors).

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:21 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: MatthewK

[QUOTE=AlTan;349288]Although I'm not a believer in the detail of the expositions presented in this thread, I think we should be careful when pulling the "pseudoscience" card on a site such as this. It basically invalidates everything said not just here, but on all occult forums.
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Unless the magick you've done has yielded no results, or results that were observable only to yourself and met no outside validation, this isn't true at all. Calling upon pseudoscience only invalidates magick if the results were observable only by the person practising it (e.g., it was a delusion or straw man).

It's a requirement in many Orders / temples that the effects and results of a practitioner's conjurations or spells be observable to others. This is, in a sense, occult science... which is not pseudoscience by any stretch of the imagination.

Ridiculous theories such as those surrounding the Piri Re'is 1513 map have been debunked by science in recent years (remember, Hapgood's fanciful book was written in 1966... there's been a lot of Antarctic research since then that has uncovered some wonderful things, indeed, such as giant starfish, tons of new underwater plants, new breeds of squid, etc... but no evidence of any maritime culture or city buried beneath the ice which is hundreds of thousands of years old).

So no, evoking pseudoscience in an occult context is only dangerous if one has never been fortunate enough to have an outside source validate either the effects of a ritual... or be present during the ritual to ascertain that the circle/mandal/temple was attended by an outside "entity".

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:30 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: AlTan

You've obviously haven't argued with scientists to whom all magic, occultism and paranormal phenomenon are unproven hearsay or disproven by science. If this were not the case, the world would be different and mainstream scientists would be researching this stuff openly.

I won't argue about the Atlantis theories. I think there is some truth behind some of it at least, or the stories wouldn't exist at all. Every myth has some seed of truth in it. And I respect your opinion, but to this date, the only people to whom magic is proven are those who believe in it in the first place, as far as I know.

Science says that if something is true, it is true regardless of beliefs around it. A maintstream scientist would call a group working magic successfully a group of deluded fantasists at best. Anyway, this is all off-topic, and I just wanted to mention that those who do promote the pseudoscience label target anything "occult".

Atlantis

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:51 pm
by Occult Forum Archive
Original post: MatthewK

Argued with scientists? Not at all :D You could call me one of the few standing on the line between "occult" and "science" - pissing on that line, even :D - and making a sweeping generalization here (beating a dead horse in saying so) that magick is the forgotten sister of science.

Scientific method proves or disproves theories through observation and consistency (or lack thereof); magickal method harnesses observable but "otherwise uncategorizable" actions - ritual and results - and their effects in a similar manner. Will is energy expended towards achieving a desired goal. When the results of enacting our Will and attaining the desired results are observable to others, we have before us evidence of magick being the "lost sister of science" - but this evidence is only strongly in the magickian's favor when the experience is validated by an outside source.

As for the Atlantis thing I think Plato was using it as an allegorical or metaphorical device. I'm sorry if my replies are muddled compared to usual, as I'm usually much more clear and well-organized in what I write. Alas, I've taken far too many muscle relaxers this morning and it's catching up with me ;)

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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:31 pm
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Original post: Arckangel

From your past lifetime in Atlantis, and therefore being virtually 100% Atlantean, many contradictory emotions and actions are likely to be part of your experience, psychologically as well as physically. For instance, there will be periods when everything will flow very harmoniously, yet other times when absolutely nothing goes right. Being highly emotional and self-willed, you may often allow your feelings to run off with your better judgments, hence you require a well grounded center, especially in an ideal not on what others can do for you what you can do for them.

http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/si...ce_reading.htm


That reading was made for Elvis by A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment - Edgar Cayce) in the mid 60s. They definitely referred to Atlantis as a real thing... The reader did not know the written session was for Elvis Presley.


What happened to Atlantis?
Prior to the complete destruction of Atlantis, the true masters of that land knew the demise of the continent was impending. Desiring to preserve as much information about their culture, educational systems and philosophies as possible for future generations yet unborn, they began to traverse the globe in their â??christas.â?Â

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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:59 am
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Original post: MatthewK

Where are all of the nutjobs coming from? http://www.astunit.com/astrocrud/flaws.htm

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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:07 am
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Original post: Aurum

It'd be pretty funny if Plato was going in a roundabout fashion in a complicated way to make such a simple point and only one reason.

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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:29 pm
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Original post: AlTan
I'm sorry if my replies are muddled compared to usual, as I'm usually much more clear and well-organized in what I write. Alas, I've taken far too many muscle relaxers this morning and it's catching up with me.
Well, I didn't mean to sound as if I've got all the bases covered myself here either...:D

I just have bad memories from people with degrees telling me any occultism is pseudoscience or fantasy...take your pick.

As for Atlantis. As the first post said, there are so many of them that to me it seems more like ANY ancient flooded coastal civilization between the Middle East and the Americas.

The end of the last ice age witnessed A LOT of flooding as the ice melted. This occured in both hemispheres on the planet, and there was quite of bit of geologica activity as well. One earthquake 8000 years ago flooded the black sea, for example, and we all know Santorini in Greece.

Personally, I don't see why some pockets of humanity couldn't have had a relatively advanced civilization, on par with ancient Egypt, for example. And when people have boats, someone is bound to cross an ocean. We do know that Pacific islanders can navigate that body of water without modern instruments.

We also know that the knowledge lost from the library of Alexandria was practically equivalent to anything known in the 17th century if not even more advanced. Even the principle of the steam engine was known, as well as the principles of mechanical computing and wireless electrical communication (using primitive electrical cells and ancient theaters as reflector dishes).

I also believe that in ancient times, people may have experienced reality differently, in the sense, that they dreamed more vividly, and may have had more common dreams.

Atlantis with the flying machines and crystals may well have been a kind of collective astral plane phenomenon, maybe originally constructed by shamans and mages (which vedic tradition at least says they used to do), and the alleged extraterrestrial zones may have been astral plane oriented as well. Just my personal thoughts.

Even so, I doubt that every human society consisted of shambling savages in furs up to the historic period.

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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:23 pm
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Original post: IAO131

93,

I have never read more nonsense in one thread.

IAO131

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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:56 am
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Original post: LordArithon

I just want to add one thing to this entire Atlantis thing.

During Medieval times, over in India. They were writing down their mythology. Now they told of an old story, one that was supposedly ancient to them back then. It was about a king that had a flying vehicle called a Vimana. If you google Vimana you will get the whole story.

Now to sum up the story this vehicle was able to fly and it was able to shoot a silver thunderbolt. Now everything described about the effects of the silver thunderbolt spoke of nuclear power. Why?? Out of all the descriptions of it the thing that got me was this weapon made hair and finger nails fall off just like what nuclear radiation can do.

Now the place that this king was attacking was a city that was made of 3 circles or something like that. As far as I know Atlantis was described to have it's capital city that was made in 3 circles or something like that...am I kinda close here with that??

Anyway it's kind of amazing that the people of India during that time were talking about more advanced things. Now they also made schematics of this flying vehicle which was rather advanced, and it was supposedly powered by mercury and spiritual energy.

Let's also not forget that China a long time ago did a lot with mercury too...but that is just a side note to think about.

I suggest going through http://s8int.com and seeing what they have there.

Of course a lot can't be proven through regular science, but it might open your mind a bit.

I myself believe in the great flood, I also believe that humanity is much older than we think, I also believe the pyramids are old, and I sure believe Atlantis existed somewhere on this earth at some period of time.