Do you believe in magickal life extension?

[Venefica]

It is a common argument that if pepole did not age and die then we would get over populated, but think about it, that is assuming that we keep breeding in the same rate as we do now, that people's behavior and mind set would stay the same even if one had hundreds or thousands of years to live. However consider this, for women to have healthy children it is recommended that she get them before she is 35 years old, at least before 40. If there was no such limitations many would wait with children indefinitely. Also without aging there would not be the need to attain a sort of immortality through a line of descendants. Also if we look at nature, long lived species have fewer children than short lived ones. I think that if there was no more aging, then the rate of birth would go drastically down.

Also most nations in the West is not over populated. In most Western nations the average is a little over 2 children per women which is only slightly above sustainable rate, and while the population grows, it grows slowly. However in Africa the rate of birth is on average on over 6 children per woman, and if you look at the world at large, it is in Africa and other development countries that most of the over population takes place. However we also see that when pepole get education then the rate of birth go down, so hopefully eventually it will go down in the development countries as well.

I always get a bit annoyed when pepole say oh but your life on Earth was not meant to last forever. I usually say, how do you know? How do you know that it was not meant to and then a genetic fluke somewhere along the way during the development of life on Earth introduced aging? I think that my body, mind and soul is of equal measure and I would like to keep them together for as long as I can, forever preferably.

[Seth]

I understand your point. I think if you want to live forever, you should. I'm not saying I couldn't, I just wonder after maybe 500 years I might get bored. OR maybe not.

I agree that the birth rate would drop dramatically. Personally, I feel that ageing was not originally a natural human cycle. I'm sure there's a lot of scientific evidence to counter that point, probably, but if my understanding of reality is correct, that evidence means little more than nothing.

I do however wonder that your need to extend your life manifests from a place of fear, a fear of death specifically?

[Venefica]

I am thinking that there are so many things to learn in the world that I would not get bored for a very long time.

First of all it is healthy to fear death it is a part of every living thing as a part of our instinct for survival, and I have no desire to die. But my desire to live forever comes from two things, one is that there is far to many things to do and learn to just have 90 years plus minus, I would like to be able to use 300 years just to study the intricacies of one particularly interesting painting if I so choose, to be able to live fully without a deadline over my head. The other reason is my belief that the body, mind and soul together form an entity which are worth preserving, yes part of this entity survive death, but together it is a unique blend which will never be the same again. If you want to call that a fear of death, I can live with that. I however see it as preserving something unique and wonderful which will only be created exactly like that once.

[Seth]

You misunderstood, I was not labelling anything. I was just curious.

In essence, I view time as a part of freedom. The more time you have, the more freedom you have. I hate the feeling of being rushed and I am more of a person who would like to live in the moment, in the now instead of having to plan ahead. So yes, If I lived forever there would be no need to plan ahead.

But I guess I wont have to.

[Venefica]

Well plans is always useful, however with eternal life one is not limited.

But I guess I wont have to.

Good attitude.

[Arckangel]

Kabbalists do believe in immortality. I know that if one takes care of one's health, and performs magick headed towards protection and health, it would definitely extend their life span or prevent it from getting shorter.

I also read people are too death conscious, and it's one of the reasons why people die. I read people basically tell themselves they're gonna die and it sends a negative message to all cells of their body. Make of that what you will...

[Parvati]

Immortally is more of a curse than a blessing really, and if you look like a 30 yr old at 80+ years old then I would say go ahead but not when you look like the back end of a bus.

[frozen0k]

nice topic.
Immortality in physical body is something that many dream of, just because they're scared of death, lol.
My opinion is that death was just programmed onto our genes, and since everybody goes with the flow of life and believe they will die, then there we go, hitting the bucket. Thing is that the programming is made on a subconscious level so unless you become much more aware, you can't do much about it, even with all the good auto-suggestions.
From what i experienced lately, i realized 3 states of being. The so called normal state, the dream state and recently a new state of awareness when i felt much more alive, very light like the body was no more (even though i could see it), vibrating with energy, fully aware and yet not thinking. I just knew that i am there. The moment the thinking came back, the vibrating feeling grew weaker and weaker. In that awareness state there are no concepts, there is no fear, no death, just a deep peace and ease which i fully felt, without needing to think about it. So probably that is what happens after one dies, goes beyond form and thought form :p
So, if you can reach that state more often (like ... every moment of this earthly existence), probably then you will realize there's no actual death except the dissolving of the physical body and of the regular mind.
Between the normal state and that awareness state, i would always go for the second, even though my mind doesn't quite like the idea :p

[Seth]

Immortally is more of a curse than a blessing really, and if you look like a 30 yr old at 80+ years old then I would say go ahead but not when you look like the back end of a bus.

Ageing is just a slow death.

[sybil_wolf]

Hello,

May be not due to magic exactly, but rather spiritual, occult practices could make one immortal.

If you read the Bible, and Sitchin, the idea of immortality comes from the fact that in the past Man lived differently than today - and also 800 + years of life in Biblical times is almost immortal today

Yaga practice and meditation, ascetic life, could make you immortal in a way of falling into slumber for long periods of time, the spirit/soul lives the body, living it in hibernation for hundreds of years at a time, the spirit returns at will.

Occultlly speaking if the disciple is living according to the law and is developing along the path, and is following the initiations in order, his/her life is extended for longer periods of time, for with high spirits comes perfect health, although the disciple him/herself is prone to various common health problems, depending on the ray he/she is on at any particular incarnation and as a soul etc.

If the writings of Toth the Atlantian are take into account then, immortality of the body is very much possible, though daily meditation, in orientation to the N/S axis.

Merkaba teachings not only via Toth, but understanding of the light body as a whole, means,that at one point a person could, materialize and dematerialize his/her body to be able to move from one plane of existence to another, which automatically gives immortality.

The move light coming down to a soul, the further along the path it is, the younger the person looks, than to his/her age.

[chomikpl]

New member here,
Personally, I think that since all of us have chosen a particularly different life path we share a common or similarly common goal. Gaining immortality would only prolong our time experiencing this life and never enlightening ourselves to more spiritual planes. I would prefer to move on and constantly grow. Immortality would be like a curse.

[ilyasviel]

I certainly agree that magick can help in life extension since a lot
of magickal practices require extreme concentration and meditation.
meditation is agreed to be one of healthy life practices.

As for immortality, I believe no one can escape from death.
It is truly inevitable, furthermore people who has sought after it
have been marked as fools and ended up destroying oneself.
I have always believed that immortality can be achieved not by
physical means but by living in peoples hearts. Many Historical figures
are often talked about as if they are still alive today setting up
as good a example for society.

Anyway Immortality is a curse I am willing to accept if it is possible.

[daniel.ebdon]

the only reasons we die are because of our quality of life and our mental health! im sure using what you call magic and i call spiritualism cal prolong our lives greatly but iff our physical health is bad (old age) then we will find our minds become more deteriorated and then death follows unless youre body just ant cope with the way its been conditioned from birth e.g. heart attack or cancer wich i believe is the outcome of the enviroment of our world including our water systems our food intake and our quality of air these are the main reasons why we age i believe based on my research also wen i see an old person i simply see a dieing soul that hasnt maintained its body or simply doesnt have a choice maybe simply because they live in the city were the air is intoxiated by our fossil fuells and were the water in there tap contains high ammouns of floride and other toxins that arnt pure, even buying ure food from the supermarket it all ages you and you dont have a choice or say in the matteer!

dont get me wrong i believe spiritually creating a healthy mind creats a prolonged healthy body and thus a longer ife on earth but to say chanting spells increasees youre life i believe would be wrong! i think alson that building youre chi or ki or watever you assosiate with youre life force energy and making sure youre channels are kept clear and u excersize youre body regularly ensuring correct intake of organic food is the best and most effective way to live a long time although unfortunatly you would also need youre own pure air source and pure H2O Q then money comes into play as i believe it is the richest people in the world who seem very enlighetened and in the no about these things wow i could really rant of topic avout iluminates and how the whle greed and welath and controll reates our quality of life and shapes what we are able to do and achieve gah tbh i have to many things and too much to say to probably be making sense right now lol but its late and i reallly should sleep (sorry about the grammer)

peace x

[daniel.ebdon]

okay just because were old doesnt mean we will deteriorate lol i didnt mean that infat it can be quaite the opposite as u may find attonement near the end of ure life or onfact willfully pass on although usually our phisical and mental usually reflect on each other wich is were the logic has come from

[frozen0k]

Recently i often have this weird feeling that i'm dreaming. The more attention i give to my inner feelings, the more i get that dreaming like state. I wonder if is not only my perceptions creating all the scenarios i get myself into, just to have something entertaining. I once tried some salvia divinorum (a plant that alter the consciousness state) and found myself into a vortex pulling me out of this existence and bringing me to another state. It was like everything vanished from my mind, and it seemed like i was retreating out of hundreds of parallel existences and getting into a single sublime state. While in that state i knew that everything i experienced was but an illusion, but coming back ... slowly, the reality kicked back in. I was perfectly conscious about all of it and remember all that experience, even the slow drag back to the so called "real world". I can't mentally reproduce it, but i can feel it. So ... what is death after all? Just the loss of an illusion?
Anyway, i found on the web something about death meditation. Didn't try it until now, but i`m thinking about it. Is called: Death Meditation : Meeting death before it comes.
you can find it here: http://www.meditationiseasy.com/mCorner ... tation.htm
My personal belief: trust only those things for which you see results on yourself.

[Venefica]

If people never died perhaps, but remember we are talking about life extension or stopping aging, not immortality as in impervious to harm. Also there is the fact that in all races of this world long lived creatures reproduce more slowly. If we did not age there would be no need to rush to have children. Sure there would be accidental child births and so on, but allot of children are born because mothers can not wait any longer if she actually do desire to have offspring, and in many parts of the world it is necessary to have many children so that there will be someone there to take care of the parents when they get old. It is my belief that if human kind was unaging then the birth rate would drop like a stone.

Also remember that taking care of the old consumes allot of recourses. An unaging population would mean that people would stay productive and healthy their whole lives. Remember we use at least 29 years of our lives growing up and getting an education, then in the last 30 we get increasingly weak leaving rather few productive years. Many seam to think that if we stopped aging we would all just carry on like before, having babies like before and so on, that would not happen, aging and death are such a huge part of human life that if it was eliminated allot of what we take for common behavior today would drastically change.

I agree with the having a choice in ones life. I do not know if I would ever want to die, but I know that I would not want to die for thousands of years. I want that time to learn and develop myself. It is my life so I should get to choose how long I live it.

[frozen0k]

Thing is that we are very much restricted from reaching our true potential, thus we don't learn or develop as we desire. We usually sabotage ourselves and that's why even when we really want to achieve a new skill or do something else we find ourselves doing all kind of other things but those which initially intent. This "bad habit" comes from our unconscious part of mind and unless we're aware most of the time of our goals, we end up giving up or forgetting about them. Even if we are aware, self sabotaging thoughts will arise and we'll witness all kind of "good reasons" to delay or cancel our plans. Short lived distractions, creating all sort of problems, fear and other things alike will be our constant companions. I believe that in only a few years of constant focusing on our goals we can achieve more than in hundreds of years of "common living". I don't know exactly what restrain us from fully developing, but i don't think it's just the habit, because, when i was younger, for 12 years i had the habit to do my homework in time and learn all kind of new things and suddenly, in less than half of year, i completely changed that behavior, during the first 6 months of college. It requires much more struggle to develop or keep a creative / self developing pattern than acquiring a useless or destructive one ... and this seem very odd to me.
We have this self destructive way to think / act which i consider insane, since no sane being would do that to itself.
So probably our deaths have a lot to do with this self destruction pattern that is manifested within us.
I read many books about this and practiced more self helping things, they helped a lot ... and yet i still find myself trapped in "sweet forgetfulness" from time to time. One thing i noticed is that i think / remember / behave according to the moment to moment energetic states, is like there are totally different personalities for the different energetic states. Different roles played by the ego, our identification with the ego and the attachment to the pain ... just like in the movie Revolver. Hmmm, really fucked up, to find the intransient being behind all these roles.

[ArcaneSpells]

Magic can prolong life but not like 150 years or something like that. For example it is possible to be 60 and look like(both internally and externally) 40 at best but the aging process will still continue even though it'll be a bit slower.

[spazmagoog]

The pursuit of physical immortality seems completely absurd to me. The way I see it there is no death, only different states of being. My body is a disposable vessel, to be used and enjoyed to the fullest for several decades before I finally wear it out and discard it. When the flesh ceases to function, the spirit goes free. Why do so many people want to put that off for so long? I for one am quite looking forward to the experience.

[cactusjack543]

very well worded you seek approval to where you get none what never was like time machines protecting the past so as they will exist within the balance of the internet so as you want to be what was was never just an illussion your ways i actually admired at first go far ha prob isnt watchen

[spazmagoog]

^ I didn't understand a word of that.

[Dajai]

^ I didn't understand a word of that.

Because he is a known troll. I recognise the writing style.

Back on topic...

Put simply. Yes. By force of will, one can remain as long as the body and mind can communicate. Ultimately I believe this could be dependant on what the mind is willing to accept or believe.

[Ahrazura]

Dajai,
Nice to find you here.
I tend to think of life as what you perceive it to be. This then beggars the question, then can we make our after life be what we want by the ideals and standards we project for our future. to that end I began to delve into the Clan of Tubal Cain's practice known as 'The castle that spins without motion'
A brief explanation can be found in the book 'The Roebuck in the Thicket'
With that said, I have no doubt that the successful sorcerer can indeed paint the magickal vistas of his/her after mundane life continuance.

Again, good to see you so soon after I walked from that other site.

Ahrazura

[Dajai]

Dajai,
Nice to find you here.
I tend to think of life as what you perceive it to be. This then beggars the question, then can we make our after life be what we want by the ideals and standards we project for our future. to that end I began to delve into the Clan of Tubal Cain's practice known as 'The castle that spins without motion'
A brief explanation can be found in the book 'The Roebuck in the Thicket'
With that said, I have no doubt that the successful sorcerer can indeed paint the magickal vistas of his/her after mundane life continuance.

Again, good to see you so soon after I walked from that other site.

Ahrazura

Hey there!

Glad you found me. However, this place now seems a lot like a wasteland. So I will most likely find somewhere else.

Very busy in TRW at the moment.

[frozen0k]

why ask if you can make your after life the way you want ... when a better question is: "can i make my life the way i want?"
Answer first to that question and then you'll get the answer to the after life question as well.