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Once a white magition told me that it was actually found by some group of people,and that they got cursed by finding it.they suppossably died horrible ways.

Absolute Tosh,but hey any and all publicity is good ,right,lol?

not so long ago I was talking to a white mage(magickan from the bright side),and he told me otherwise-

"in order to obtain something from the spirits,you must give them something in return.nothing in this world is free.whether a favor in return,blood,sharing your body ect.the spirit world is like a gang in some ways.if you borrow money from a drug-deeler,and you pay him back,its not over....

Erm,perhaps you should stop with the talking to 'White ' magicians,the ones you've spoken with seem rather silly from where I 'm standing ?

The Simonicon was written by Peter Levenda an Occutltist and Nazi Esotericism expert,circa 1977 [?] He is logged as the copyright owner in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Levenda

The Fifty Names and the Tiamat calling etc. are all reworded/variations from the Enuma Elish,the Sumerian creation myth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Eli%C5%A1

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... aki12a.htm

The Cthulhu references I just left alone,personally,don't like Lovecraft as an author,he bores me.Just saying.He seemed scared of anything beyond human,it's like he saw a vision and it was great,pandimensional and awesome to behold,but he grabbed his own coat tails and ran all the way home screaming,cos it was too 'foreign' or 'strange' for him,lol.Just my own opinion,ymmv,of course.

@ brobdingnag-

Oh but i did!I tried barashakushu,the kindest of the fifty,from the necronomicon spellbook from simon!and you know what happend?

nothing. [neutral] (but this was probably the cause of misspronouncication).

and about only the human spirits wanting a body,according to the white mage,I have three angels inside me,sharing my body,two of them 6th grader darkside earthbound archangels of whom work with lucifer,and one 4th grader neutral worker angel whose indepentent.also,I am in a deep hole in dept with the spirits.what to know why,because of the something in return system.supposably this has all been going on since back in 2008,but honestly,I never rememder messing with wicca and spellbooks/book of magick in suck early age.

he told me this after doing a pendulum reading on me.

@nahemah-

well to my point of view,he seemed very positive with what he was informing me about.and after all,it was a pendulum reading,do you think it might of been nothign but a coinsidence. [unsure]

Im suprised that someone might of faked "simon".the white mage told me that his body was never found.that suppossably the gods must've punished him for puplicating the necronomicon to the "uninitiated",just like was the case with abdul azhazred.

brobdingnag wrote:To Asmus: I've heard that too. Tried it - works. If you've tried it and had no results - fair enough. As for systems - I care nothing for them.

Here's a quote about it's origin:

The Necronomicon is a fictional grimoire appearing in the stories by horror writer H. P. Lovecraft and his followers. It was first mentioned in Lovecraft's 1924 short story "The Hound", written in 1922, though its purported author, the "Mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred, had been quoted a year earlier in Lovecraft's "The Nameless City". Among other things, the work contains an account of the Old Ones, their history, and the means for summoning them.

...

Capitalizing on the notoriety of the fictional volume, real-life publishers have printed many books entitled Necronomicon since Lovecraft's death.

Not tried, but I don't really have an interest to. Me being an avid Lovecraft fan, couldn't possibly perform spells out of something i know isn't authentic/orriginal. Would completely fuck my psyche! [crymore] Still, the work itself looks pretty solid. Pretty evocational, magickally speaking the theory behind it is sound. Whatever works for you, i guess.

Im suprised that someone might of faked "simon".the white mage told me that his body was never found.that suppossably the gods must've punished him for puplicating the necronomicon to the "uninitiated",just like was the case with abdul azhazred.

@ blackdove,I really do recommend doing some research and reading of your own.Whoever this 'White mage' is,he's got you by the short and curlies,metaphorically speaking,lol. [crazy]

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chao ... /cmad.html

Some sound information on working with the Cthulhu mythos.

And more of the same:

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/cthulhu.php

Juice on the Annunaki: [7 Planets] and the Igigi [Zodiac signs]:

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chao ... ronom.html

blackdove wrote:@ brobdingnag-

Oh but i did!I tried barashakushu,the kindest of the fifty,from the necronomicon spellbook from simon!and you know what happend?

nothing. [neutral] (but this was probably the cause of misspronouncication).

and about only the human spirits wanting a body,according to the white mage,I have three angels inside me,sharing my body,two of them 6th grader darkside earthbound archangels of whom work with lucifer,and one 4th grader neutral worker angel whose indepentent.also,I am in a deep hole in dept with the spirits.what to know why,because of the something in return system.supposably this has all been going on since back in 2008,but honestly,I never rememder messing with wicca and spellbooks/book of magick in suck early age.

he told me this after doing a pendulum reading on me.

@nahemah-

well to my point of view,he seemed very positive with what he was informing me about.and after all,it was a pendulum reading,do you think it might of been nothign but a coinsidence. [unsure]

I guess you must go with what you feel works for you. However, I would dump the bullshit about Karmic debt to the spirits if you never even did any working. I mean some people really believe they're obliged to someone or something at all times - it's the basis of all religious dogma. Unfortunately, to someone who believes it (like the white mage), it is reality and he'll find it hard to think otherwise.

As for your lack of results, well, I don't know. It works for me - all the time, every time. 100% - correct pronunciation or not. If you think pronounciation is an issue look up a guide online - there is one somewhere.

Finally, don't let me or the white mage get you down: it's all your call. Do what thou wilt. For starters, consider meditation - not guided not focussed - just floating meditation. That, over a period of time (6 months to see results) will help you come to terms with any inner blockages you may have.

Asmus wrote:

brobdingnag wrote:To Asmus: I've heard that too. Tried it - works. If you've tried it and had no results - fair enough. As for systems - I care nothing for them.

Here's a quote about it's origin:

The Necronomicon is a fictional grimoire appearing in the stories by horror writer H. P. Lovecraft and his followers. It was first mentioned in Lovecraft's 1924 short story "The Hound", written in 1922, though its purported author, the "Mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred, had been quoted a year earlier in Lovecraft's "The Nameless City". Among other things, the work contains an account of the Old Ones, their history, and the means for summoning them.

...

Capitalizing on the notoriety of the fictional volume, real-life publishers have printed many books entitled Necronomicon since Lovecraft's death.

Not tried, but I don't really have an interest to. Me being an avid Lovecraft fan, couldn't possibly perform spells out of something i know isn't authentic/orriginal. Would completely fuck my psyche! [crymore] Still, the work itself looks pretty solid. Pretty evocational, magickally speaking the theory behind it is sound. Whatever works for you, i guess.

Like I said, you don't need to believe. You can walk in with near absolute doubt. That's how I did it - then again, as you like it. And, if you have some other system you're happy with it - stick to it. In the end, all systems differ only in style, approach not the core.

maybe you guys are right.do what thou wilt.maybe I should go with my own experience and point of views,not someone elses.this disscution really cheered me up. [yay]

blackdove wrote:maybe you guys are right.do what thou wilt.maybe I should go with my own experience and point of views,not someone elses.this disscution really cheered me up. [yay]

Absolutely. Btw, a little tip when you feel stuck or fearful or doubtful, what you should do constantly is just watch the thought-vibration-feeling combo. Ideally, set aside 45-60 minutes per day to meditate. Not guided, not focussed, just relaxed, aware and floating - let the thoughts flow and move as they like. Release resistance.
To see the benefits will take time (took me 6 months) but you will see them.

Asmus wrote:

blackdove wrote:Isnt the necronomicon a fictional grimoire witten by H.P Lovecraft?

Yes it is. I'm going to ASSUME that the book this man refers to is the "Simonomicon", a book written by a man named "simon" in the 1800's-1900's, I believe. The Grimoir isn't based on any... reputable magickal theorem, and doesn't offer a basis for it's claims (no research, much like the Goetia, but at least scholars take that one seriously and have analyzed it). I suppose it could still work for performing magick, however, but being an avid Lovecraft reader, I could never bring myself to do any rituals from a book based on the fictional book of a science-fiction author. Scientology, much?

A couple of the incantations from the Simon Necronomicon can be traced back to ancient Akkadian tablets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7dYZjd4 ... plpp_video

If you want to practice the rituals outlined in the Necronomicon exactly, then use candles. If you want to use parts of the Necronomicon and do it your own way, you can do that, too.

And even though it's pretty likely that the Necronomicon was made up, it does still work for some people who use it.

Occultess wrote:

Asmus wrote:

blackdove wrote:Isnt the necronomicon a fictional grimoire witten by H.P Lovecraft?

Yes it is. I'm going to ASSUME that the book this man refers to is the "Simonomicon", a book written by a man named "simon" in the 1800's-1900's, I believe. The Grimoir isn't based on any... reputable magickal theorem, and doesn't offer a basis for it's claims (no research, much like the Goetia, but at least scholars take that one seriously and have analyzed it). I suppose it could still work for performing magick, however, but being an avid Lovecraft reader, I could never bring myself to do any rituals from a book based on the fictional book of a science-fiction author. Scientology, much?

A couple of the incantations from the Simon Necronomicon can be traced back to ancient Akkadian tablets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7dYZjd4 ... plpp_video

I'm always curious why everything has to be benchmarked against the KOS or Crowley. The Sumerian mythos is real and most certainly worked for me.

The Sumerian mythos is real and most certainly worked for me.

I agree and I 've posted several sets of links through the topic,confirming this fact and others,lol.

But some folks in the Occult community it would seem,are determined to continue with false assumptions even after they are debunked.

Meh.

....I could never bring myself to do any rituals from a book based on the fictional book of a science-fiction author. Scientology, much?

This is a valid personal opinion,but the Scientology comment is a big non sequitur.I 've worked successfully with elements of the Simonicon and repeated those results I achieved more than once. And I despise Scientology deeply,for what it is and what it does.

I don't see any connection with Scientology other than the extremely tenous: yes,Dianetics is the model for Scientology,officially speaking,but we all know [or I hope most of us do,at least,lol] it's a money making cult with no spiritual validity,that exploits it's members ruthlessly.

The Simonicon works for some of us.That is the measure of it,for me. [thumbup]

This white magician is completely making this Necronomicon story up. None of what he said is based in anything, reality or myth, he's just a charltan.

brobdingnag wrote: In the end, all systems differ only in style, approach not the core.

Agree 100%. I may use tools now and then simply because they feel right and give me something "solid" that I can feel with my hands and making it easier to see in my head. It can be difficult to hold a host of "visible" things in ones head. It has taken me a shade over a month to learn an exercise from a paradigm I'm studying. I have to meditate while seeing a room in my head that has 4 walls. Each wall has a different color and they are yellow, red, blue and black. Behind each wall stands a guardian of the same color/s representing air, water, fire and earth. I also have to visualize 4 white orbs around me projecting energy into me creating a 5th orb that is a golden color. I also have to see stars above me. Last but not least, I have to hold a conversation either with my higher self or one or two of the guardians.

adawehi wrote:

brobdingnag wrote: In the end, all systems differ only in style, approach not the core.

Agree 100%. I may use tools now and then simply because they feel right and give me something "solid" that I can feel with my hands and making it easier to see in my head. It can be difficult to hold a host of "visible" things in ones head. It has taken me a shade over a month to learn an exercise from a paradigm I'm studying. I have to meditate while seeing a room in my head that has 4 walls. Each wall has a different color and they are yellow, red, blue and black. Behind each wall stands a guardian of the same color/s representing air, water, fire and earth. I also have to visualize 4 white orbs around me projecting energy into me creating a 5th orb that is a golden color. I also have to see stars above me. Last but not least, I have to hold a conversation either with my higher self or one or two of the guardians.

Pretty complex actually . I usually don't even try to visualise because I am past the stage where I think I am separate from one-ness at least during the casting.

It doesn't make a difference what I see in my head. It (thought/mental image) is rarely contradictory but the Nec does get results regardless. How exactly they know my intent despite conflicting thought puzzles me but may be they are intelligent beings rather than mindless computers as I had been led to believe by some pro-GD posting. Don't get me wrong-the Dawn is fine too and I get some good results with that especially from an internal perspective as with pure direct magic (no system - more like LOA stuff or generic sigil work) or even alternative/magickal Catholic ritual. I've started on some Nordic working but it's taking me time to get accustomed to it: being coloured it just seems a little out of place but I guess I'll be fine with time. I just find the Nec downright effective and it does know your intent even better than you do sometimes. It looks like things are not working out etc. but when you take clear look it is usually your intent very neatly done: you just didn't realise the "how" of it all at the time of casting. I mean with the Nec (strong material and physical influence bit hard-core if need be) + Catholic magick (awesome to soften things and solid results too but a little play-it-safe types of energy i.e. won't go for the jugular easily) + some elementary GD stuff (great cleansing feelings) + direct magick (amazing synchronicity and connections to the other side) I got out some nasty situations and gave out way better than the before the situation - across the board i.e. socially, professionally, financially, personally. But it did so some shattering stuff along the way but all useful for inner development.

Sorry, got carried away!! I think you can just do what you're doing but never bother about these conflicting thoughts because I think your intent will plough through somehow. I think people get more chained by the performance pressure of perfectionism (it helps you take it seriously and that can be a plus) to the point it's a stumbling block instead of an aid. Relax bro and realise that it works regardless of belief. That's a core criteria for me - belief independent effectiveness. Anything less is better off in the realm of NLP or psychology and you can spare yourself the ritual in such cases - why waste time and energy.

brobdingnag wrote:

blackdove wrote:BTW,I was wanting to perform the rituals,but it all seemed so complicated and dangerous that I decided to move to something a little easier.I have the hopes to one day perform the rituals,but that'll be when I have experience in other things.you know,rituals and grimoire experience.Its only best to be sure and go the safe way. [happy]

No need to worry as long as you work with the "The 50 Names of Marduk" in the Spellbook or walking the gates. I've never had any hassles whatsoever with them unless they try to push me to get to my goals: yup, I can be difficult for energies to work with [happy2]. It's the Ancient Ones (Chtulhu et al) that are supposed to be the "dark" side. Maybe that's why BlackDove had those issues. In any case, according to the Mythos there was distant past where the Ancient Ones & Elder Gods lived in peace and one of the 50 Names can help you access that state perhaps using that name first will help.
As for the complexity, it's no harder than any of the Ceremonial Magick stuff or the more obscure spells. Further, you do not necessarily need to meet all the requirements: improvise. It works just fine.
What I've enjoyed most is that it works regardless of my belief / negativity, lack of concentration, visualisation skill etc.
Best, Brob.

What you mean by complicated? It's not complicated at all!! All you need to do is to create the seal of one of the 50 spirits chosen, and to place it between the two white candles. Then you must concentrate and visualise your "urgent prayer" easy!!

I feel like an idiot. I was gonna by the necromonicon by Lovecraft but the summary was all like only immoral crimminals or extremely desperate lunatic would attempt what's within the pages...DAMN YOU AMAZON!!!!!