Limits of accumulating energy?

[Haqim]

Guys, you made this thread... WONDERFUL!
I just love it!

I don't even know where / what / to whom should I answer first.
And this is goood!

About the Truth...
Well, sometimes I do believe that there is only One Truth.
It seems logical, isn't it?

But I'm also a chaote, thus other times it seems that there are many "Truths", beliefs, methods, etc...
... which leads to "Nothing is true..."
Maybe the Truth is: "... everything is permitted".

P.S.: About your example: what if there is no mountain at all?
Or, at least: what if the peak is absolutely relative / subjective?

[Rin]

P.S.: About your example: what if there is no mountain at all?
Or, at least: what if the peak is absolutely relative / subjective?

I don't know, it's an interesting thought. Without launching into a dissertation length philosophical diatribe, I'll just say that most accounts from sources considered reliable suggest some kind of ultimate objective reality behind the subjective world of lies/illusions (Maya/Samsara/Lethe). But the only way to find out for good is to reach the peak ourselves

[Haqim]

But the only way to find out for good is to reach the peak ourselves

Quite right.

Well, it's time to talk about the main idea behind this topic.

My plan was / is to empower myself with raw life force, via a very simple method.
How?

First I have to explain the metaphysics of this method.

So KIA is the unity of will and perception.
Our mind sees them as separate things, but the truth is they are one.
KIA is, on the other hand, the life force of the Universe.
It's your very soul... it's "everything's" very soul.

Magicians use gnosis to empower their KIA.
No, it's incorrect to use the word "empower"... to "release" is better.
One has to achieve this no-mind state to let his / her inner power loose.

The Ouruboros symbol from alchemy gave me an idea - let's say that snake is KIA.
It bites its own tail, forming a circle.
It's like our KIA / mind interface: the One that acts as two.

So one has to understand (?) this paradox to take the next step to his / her own (KIA's) freedom.

The method is very simple - the magician draws pure life force from a symbolic "gateway".
(Remember: this very act is a paradox itself!
Lifeforce 'is'. It's consciousness, not some energy. It's "God", buried in you mind.)

The very act of absorbing this life force is basically pure self-perfecting; an upward spiral that gives KIA more and more freedom.
By accumulating this "energy", the magician let his / her own mind and body to develop various "improvements" through their core, KIA.

In theory, this method is very productive.
Followers of the psychological model can find it a good way to improve their life (in various ways).

Although I'm not using this at the moment (I'm experimtenting with another belief-system), but I found it very interesting.
I felt my mind and body energized, sometimes I couldn't even sleep.

The only cons were: a weird feeling of "overstimulation" and sometimes I feared that too much life force would alienate me from my environment (maybe I just overcomplicated things, because I don't have any evidence that this is true).

[Shinichi]

P.S.: About your example: what if there is no mountain at all?
Or, at least: what if the peak is absolutely relative / subjective?

The Mountain is objective, your view of it is relative, and how it makes you feel is subjective.

Your KIA exercise isn't a Life Force exercise at all, from the way you describe it. Life Force is Qi, not Shen. It sounds more like an exercise in developing and refining Consciousness, and to me it sounds very complicated and inefficient. But if it works for you...



~:Shin:~

[Haqim]

The Mountain is objective, your view of it is relative, and how it makes you feel is subjective.

Obviously.
You're right... from an objective point of view.

Your KIA exercise isn't a Life Force exercise at all, from the way you describe it. Life Force is Qi, not Shen.

Interesting.
It depends on your definition of life force.
The Carrollian chaos magic views "life force" as the Tao / Dao (and, in a way, all the Tree Treasures).

Your definition, however

It sounds more like an exercise in developing and refining Consciousness

is absolutely correct.

it sounds very complicated and inefficient. But if it works for you...

Complicated? Not at all.
To tell the truth, I find it almost too simple (I don't know which is worst, really).

Yeah, we'll see if it's efficient or not.
I'm an "occult scientist", after all! I always experiment.

[RoseRed]

Every time I see KIA - 'killed in action' is what comes to mind.

[Shinichi]

The Mountain is objective, your view of it is relative, and how it makes you feel is subjective.

Obviously.
You're right... from an objective point of view.

Reality is, at the end of the day, an objective thing. Point of View is an issue of perspective and is a matter of relativity, but the thing being perceived is itself its own thing, and our point of view is irrelevant to its existence. Just as someone else's point of view is irrelevant to yours. If your parents die, you still exist independent of them.

Your KIA exercise isn't a Life Force exercise at all, from the way you describe it. Life Force is Qi, not Shen.

Interesting.
It depends on your definition of life force.
The Carrollian chaos magic views "life force" as the Tao / Dao (and, in a way, all the Tree Treasures).

Chaos Magick can come up with some very strange views sometimes. The Dao is not a macrocosmic Life Force (though it does, in a way, possess all three treasures and everything else), but this just goes back to what Rin was saying about definitions. If it works for you, use it, but "Carrollian" views on this subject seem to be vastly different from multiple very old traditions.

it sounds very complicated and inefficient. But if it works for you...

Complicated? Not at all.
To tell the truth, I find it almost too simple (I don't know which is worst, really).

Yeah, we'll see if it's efficient or not.
I'm an "occult scientist", after all! I always experiment.

It's complicated for me and seems inefficient compare to other things I have done and do, which is why I said "if it works for you..."

I do things that involve more advanced applications of the Awareness exercises in my Fundamental Development. Things like merging my Awareness with a plant, and then expanding my Awareness from there to experience the consciousness of an entire garden and all the little lives inside it as a part of my own. Or, via Invocation, sharing my consciousness with a deity and letting his consciousness gently bring me up to his level of being.

Compared to those things, to me, what you described seems like an elaborate visualization and a complex contemplation. But there are lots of classical meditations that are elaborate and complex with me, too.



~:Shin:~

[Haqim]

Reality is, at the end of the day, an objective thing.

Oh, I see, here's the problem!
I didn't tell you that I usually work with subjective reality.
In short: there's only my point of view, I can't proof anything else.
For me, it makes a lot more sense (maybe we can discuss this later in another topic).

Chaos Magick can come up with some very strange views sometimes. The Dao is not a macrocosmic Life Force (though it does, in a way, possess all three treasures and everything else), but this just goes back to what Rin was saying about definitions. If it works for you, use it, but "Carrollian" views on this subject seem to be vastly different from multiple very old traditions.

As I said I've studied (and practiced) Daoism for long years.
It's just I don't mix it with this current experiment.

I recommend 'Liber Null' (the "Bible" of Chaos Magic) - you'll see that KIA is basically the Dao.

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things"

KIA is the basis of the Universe (which is dual) and the basis of your consciousness.
(Plus if you're working with subjective reality, like me, then the two are the same.)