magari wrote:You know there is a whole lot of people doing real work to fix the inequality in this world and its actually a situation thats been improving since the dawn of time.
People are making hard investments in innovative technologies to improve your lot in life.
True. I'm sure the Keshe Foundation with their plasma reactor are definitely trying at the moment. However not all these "hard investments" are completely good for humanity. Let me point out how Volkswagen simply faked tests to have themselves known as energy efficient. But, sure, they still make nice cars.
You could do some real work too if you wanted, but its so much easier to blame the illuminati and give up isnt it?
Whos really keeping you from progress? The system, the conspiracy theorist, or yourself?
Everyone is so quick to make excuses for their lack of effort, their fear of failure, or their own weakness.
Baseless, magari. You have no idea what I do and don't, so I suppose I should inform you that I do plenty. Nothing's keeping me from progress as an individual in the system and my successes are my proof. The system however is keeping humanity as a whole from progress. You need to understand what that means, and fast.
In this world you get to choose. Victim or Victor?
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I am cyberdemon.
You are obviously a victim and will lean on the support the system has provided you since birth. You know we didn't have to provide you with an education. Id say your privileged to be able to read and write.
Do you really think that being able to read and write is a privilege in the current world? No, it's long since it became a human right and an ability. Even in the poorest countries, children learn to read and write even at basic levels simply via exposure to things such as billboards and bank notes. If you think this is something that needs taught, you're wrong, and you underestimate human intelligence a lot. It only requires practice to master, but it doesn't require teaching any more. The world's literacy rate is at an all time high.
Excuse me while I enjoy the fruits of my own labor. No, you can't have any. Make a real contribution and get your own.
I don't want any nor do I need any. I have plenty of my own already, and I do my part of charity. You, on the other hand, sound like the people who don't think that bigger earners ought to pay bigger taxes. The trickle-down concept has never worked, and never will do more than to make the gap between the rich and the poor bigger. I'm so, so surprised. Where's your open mindedness? I'm sorry, but you've proven yourself to be absolutely closed up. You choose comfort, good for you. You're afraid of losing even a portion of your comforts even if it is to aid humanity's progress. What's the right word for this? Selfishness? Arrogance? Supremacy? All three of those are bad traits. You're no longer qualified to call yourself an occultist, never mind any other title you think you have. You are the very embodiment of the reasons why the European Union is barring refugees from entering Europe to escape a barren land and a war zone - to protect their own riches and call it "sustainability". That is not what humanity should be stooping down to. Does economic stability
really take precedence over
human lives? Reflect, magari. You're simply backing yourself into a corner for me, and that's rather sad.
Cygnus wrote:Well, that answers my query from earlier this week, it seems you are a proponent of this notion.
I don't mind if people want to deny all the advancements of knowledge of the last 500 or so years, but
yes it is easy to debunk it without recourse to NASA (though why people find that necessary is beyond me).
Using decent binocular or even a spotting scope, watch a ship sailing towards the horizon (this works better with the traditional "Tall Ships"). If the world was flat you'd see the vessel get smaller in proportion, but the world is not flat and what you see is that the hull disappears first while the top of the mast (or funnels) is still visible.
Like I said, I'm pushing the motion for the sake of debate and I'm enjoying doing so!
You see, this "advancement of knowledge" isn't regarded as true advancement at all. I won't deny all the advancements, though. The point still stands though, that what we have and what we are told about how they work are two different things. In the medical sector we've big pharma pulling the shots. At Wall Street, we have people gambling for life. As for NASA, the funding goes all into keeping up the hoax and making it so elaborate that people don't even know what they're really being made to do. That's the beauty of the conspiracy from the depths.
I've done the seaside experiment with a telescope. I've seen ships myself after they've "crossed over" the horizon and disappeared, floating over the horizon and appearing to be hovering in air. The problem is that this horizon itself is false - it is known, because it is a summation of all the waves at that point. Further ahead is the floating ship which is no mirage, but the ship itself. The image is distorted and that's as far as the refractive properties of the atmosphere goes. There's a video I watched recently that demonstrated exactly as I saw myself, I'll find it for you if you like.
I don't see why the occult path of spiritual development has to be beset with so many ludicrous ideas like flat-earth, ETs, Illuminati etc.
It's every bit as bad as the anti-evolution stance of typical Christians, but at least these guys have finally now albeit begrudgingly, accepted our current cosmological-science view. Check out John Lennox, Professor of Mathematics at Oxford University but an evangelizing Christian who has written, inter alia, "Seven Days that Divide the World" (2011) a supposed 'defence' of the Genesis myth in the context of modern science. I've read it. It's a pretty desperate twisting of definitions to make a square peg fit in a round hole.
Ludicrous? The idea of demons, possessions, astral projection, all these are just as ludicrous from a scientific point of view. Science itself has been corrupted to be a religion on its own, so of course, it will go against other religions. Zeteticism is far nicer these days: the science of making conclusions post-observation, instead of the usual theory making followed by looking for said theory in practice and bending results to meet the wanted conclusion. (Don't start on the theory/hypothesis argument, those are simply vocabulary issues. You know what I mean.)
I'm a trained scientist and I reject the concept that an occultist cannot have a reasonably typical scientific world view. The fact that this Greer chap is a medical doctor tells me he should stick to practising medicine. I'm a Doctor too (I have a PhD in what a layperson might call biochemistry, or more specifically the effects or reactive free-radical species on cellular components) but if I step beyond the bounds of logic and reason I'd expect to be ridiculed too.
Additionlly, if you reject NASA you're also going to have to reject Copernicus, Gallileo, Newton et al
Your point flies past me, sadly, since I'm in training to be a medical doctor myself. Again, not all science is part of the lie. This is also why I'm trying to push the notion. I regard Dr Greer to be an occultist as much as I consider myself one.
Here, on this forum at least, you cannot be ridiculed because we task ourselves to deal with what's beyond science, with logic, reason, and knowledge of perspectives.
Newton only gave
one explanation for the "law" of gravity. In truth, it is a phenomenon, and simply put, just one explanation isn't the way to go. The problem is that other explanations aren't even studied. We have models and theories and laws that fit each other, but we cannot use one as proof of the other. Therein lies the fallacy of the bubble of lies. I'm not saying that these ancient scientists were evil, they perhaps didn't even know what they were contributing to. The fact that the earth revolves around the sun is only an idea. From earth we see and feel the opposite. The idea that the opposite is true is novelty. It is amazing how "outlandish" ideas are always the best at explaining things, even if they may be absolutely wrong.
Oh... and to any flat-earth proponents who use mobile phones and sat-navs: just what do you think these communication satellites are revolving around if it isn't a sphere? If you reject this idea then you'll need to come up withacceptable new theories on gravity.
The Russians don't even
believe in satellites. At least I'm putting it forward that only some of them are real. Rockets flying up? An elaborate hoax paid for by the taxpayers for knowledge but instead they are given shows. The ionosphere of the atmosphere is adequate as a reflective medium for all land based communications and that is exactly what we only have.
The "global positioning system" does not work over the southern "hemisphere". You can test this out by watching a few flights on any internet flight tracker. On a sidenote, if you take flights in the southern hemisphere for example, you'll see plenty of connections but never a straight shot across the Atlantic, say. The funny part is that if you take these routes and plot them on a flat earth map they become nice straight lines - cost effective. You may bring up the fact that planes run out of fuel. Google it. The flying distance of of the standard 747 is 13,450km. The distance across the Atlantic is 2,575km.
This is the beauty of science, it's like a brick wall that has each new course of bricks attacked by a bunch of other bricklayers. If they pull it down we bin it, if it stands the test, we build the next layer on top, and so on, ad infinitum. Consequently the only parts that are ever shaky are the latest layer of knowledge currently being tested.
That's the beauty of a conspiracy built upon what's perpetuated as truth. Many of the bricks placed between the top and the bottom are false. Say, if the real bricks are made of clay, these are made of carbon infused styrofoam. Fancy, but fallacious.
