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Napoli wrote:

inMalkuth wrote:I suppose... I guess I am of the opinion that its not meant to support chaos, though. Its meant to bring order, and thereby meaning... but yes, !chaos! It emits, no?

Chaos Magic is a paradigm of the occult arts. It has nothing to do with bringing chaos or discord.

Napoli is absolutely correct here. You are reading the headline but not the article so to speak.

inMalkuth wrote:Sorry if its confusing to you, I will try to keep it more simple next time.

Thanks bub. Try to keep it sub 5 sentences and communicate your points clearly. You're giving me a headache.

well... in my defense, I wasn't the one who brought in all these other ideas. Seems pretty obvious what I was stating initially. Hey guys, I put a thread in the individual spirituality section. I was hoping you would be so kind as to voice your thoughts over there. Its just a few questions. Thanks.

I was just being a smartass because of the condescension in your last post directed at me. I can see you're very skeptical and cautious, but curious about magic. Like you want someone to prove to you that actual, practical magic work is worthwhile. I'm not going to try to defend magic to you. I would just tell you to practice and devote yourself to it, and find out first hand if you really want to know.

Yes it is true I don't put any of this into practice and have only looked at it from the outside. I feel that I have discovered what needed discovering through it though. I am just curious maybe what you have discovered to see if my notes match up. This is why I made the other post in the individual spirituality section.

I think I will leave it here. InMalkuth, I have advised you to do your research. The questions you are asking does have their answers but it is beyond the scope of this thread to answer it all. You seem to be too stubborn not do that and be spoon fed everything. Even when provided with answers you refuse to read them and come back with more questions, still showing you are unaware of what you are talking about.

FYI, I did not mention any extra topic here at all. Your OPs were both about the validity of both occult practices and spirituality. Anyway, good luck with finding what you want.

Well than you for what you have discussed here. I am sorry you feel that a discussion board isn't the place to discuss things. Also your frustrations at me are because you didn't understand me, not the other way around.

Alright, despite my better judgement, I'm going to throw my hat in. In the hopes that maybe if enough different people say it- the O.P. may actually consider it.

inMalkuth- if you are actually wanting to have philosophical discussion of any value you need to first sit down and organize your thoughts. I am not just referring to this one string either. I have attempted to decipher some of your other threads as well. You really are going in too many directions at once. I get that to you it is all going the same direction. But the art of communication means that you understand the reader can not (at least not usually) read your mind. Therefore it must be stated in a clear way. Its not that you can't write well. You clearly have this mass of thoughts rolling around that all network together to form a revelation that is meaningful to you. But if you wish to discuss with others- try taking one aspect at a time for discussion.

AND- While I am knew here, so I will not reference myself in this, but I have read enough of these respondents post to know they are intelligent people. The problem is NOT that you are of superior intellect and therefore they are unable to follow your ramblings. The problem is you are trying to discuss multiple deeply layered concepts simultaneously which just is not possible- especially in text formatted discussion.

I feel like you have an agenda here. I can't tell if your trying to proselytize or if you are hoping to gain some kind of following? Maybe I'm wrong.

I have adopted a voice of knowing because it seems to me the best way to present my ideas. Apparently most people find this to mean I am not to be moved by opinion, and most of the response I receive comes in retaliation against my presentation rather than a discussion on the conversation I am asking them to take part in. If I am a challenge I am sorry for posing myself as such but as magicians we must realize that combat of ideas is part of the trade.

I am actually a very considerate person who is essentially making myself a target. Not for criticism about my presentation (though I welcome it) but criticism about my observation. As it seems that no one cares to show me what they think or are able to say yea or nay, I assume that most of them dont know anything about much, and it frustrates me. All it seems is that people want to poke at my presentation. They forget that I am the one putting my ideas out for analysis. If I came into their thread I would be more focused on the heart of the idea first, and if I wanted to add something about presentation I would constructively do so. As always, I am left to my own self to ask these questions of and as such, I actually dont need to hear what anyone says anyway. Take it or leave it I guess.

From what I've seen the criticism has been as much about the content as it has about the presentation, but you're guarding yourself by telling yourself that the criticism has only been about presentation. Nobody has anything to add to your speculations because, as has been implied, they're the journal musings of a high school student who just discovered weed. If you haven't gotten it now then you're not going to, you'll just keep considering yourself a philosopher that nobody is capable of understanding. Nobody wants to talk to that guy, but good luck with that.

thats actually not far from the truth about me.

Im going to end this convo by saying

The secret is that its a secret
The truth is in the truth
and everything is exactly as it appears.

gnight

Haha, I knew it. Okay man, no hard feelings. I might give you a hard time but I wish you the best on your path.