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Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:55 am**

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Yetzirah : the sixth sefira surrounded by six holy spheres - the world of angels(the formative world).

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:48 pm**

Important note to the readers of this thread.

There are two highly divergent versions of the "Abramelin". The common "Mathers" translation is not only incomplete it appears to me to be corrupt. It begins fine, but then in book 2, instead of enagaging in Practical Kabbalah as I have learned it, it delves into demonolarty. The beginning of the 3rd book confirms that Belial is expected to do the bidding of the practionner. Belial is either the 3rd or 4th Hell, if I recall. It is both a demon and a place which should be well known and understood by those engaging with this subject matter. But the earlier approbations discourage working with anything that is evil. This is a red flag for those who are aware.

The German manuscripts are known by scholars to be the authority. In comparisson, the Mather's version appears to be a honey pot. Designed to trap those who are drawn to it for selfish motives. The German version includes 2 key points which indicate this beyond the divergent magical content.

1) The German version prohibits taking money for this craft and knowledge. The Mather's version seems to encourage it.
2) And this is most important: The German version reflects precisely what I posted earlier in the thread. One needs to know what they are writing. There is a lot more to this than putting letters in a specific position in a grid. The Mather's version skips this entirely. Please dear readers understand the implications of this.

If the one attempting these works for selfish motives and does not know what they are invoking/evoking, then they can very easily be calling the Kracken for its meal, which happens to be the practioner themself. The ignorant are potentially putting themselves on the menu, then ringing the dinner bell. The author seems to have intentionally omitted a vital warning to the target which would encourage them to avoid the snare and put away the book or ask for help.

There is also a massive gap in the initiation protocol when comparing the two versions. The German version includes atonement. The Mathers version does not, as far as I can tell. This is important. Lacking atonement, the practioner who has put themselves on the menu, then is calling the kracken, is lacking any and all protections for themself, and potentially others.

It's bad news. Caveat Emptor. This is common sense. If you don't know what you're saying, and you don't know what you're doing, and you don't understand how it's supposed to work, it's bad idea engaging in it. If you don't know how electricty works, climbing up the pole to hook up the the "main-line", because it's in an incomplete instruction manual, and it sounds like fun and adventure and will profit you somehow, is a bad bad plan.

Here is the the quote from the German, complete, translation.

Ziran wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:55 am
Spida wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:10 pm
It makes sense that you would draw it on the square the same way it's read.
Right, how is it being read AND understood, by the one who is making it. same question for the one who will be gazing at it. or possessing it?

When it is being crafted, is the maker's intellectual investment, like you described, including a mental directive: "reverse order, reverse the order, reverse the order..." while the letters are being written? There's a lot more to this than just putting the correct letter in the correct position in an array. That's just writing something.

And are the hebrew letters actually being used? or are english letters being used but written in reverse?

For those who have eyes and ears, this confirms I actually know what I'm talking about. And I only have your best interests in my heart and mind. When reading the quote from the book I posted, notice, non-Jews are not being prohibited from this content. And this makes sense. The Jewish people have been scattered and hidden for over a thousand years when this book was written. No one knows who is or is not of the Jewish ethnic background. My position is, everyone is considered equal. If they are claiming to be of a specific heritage, and they would like to be treated as such, so be it. I am not an ordained Rabbi. And making those kinds of distinctions is far far outside my personal moral code, which I take very seriously.

Sicnerely,

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:30 pm**

Ziran wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:48 pm

Important note to the readers of this thread.

There are two highly divergent versions of the "Abramelin". The common "Mathers" translation is not only incomplete it appears to me to be corrupt. It begins fine, but then in book 2, instead of enagaging in Practical Kabbalah as I have learned it, it delves into demonolarty. The beginning of the 3rd book confirms that Belial is expected to do the bidding of the practionner. Belial is either the 3rd or 4th Hell, if I recall. It is both a demon and a place which should be well known and understood by those engaging with this subject matter. But the earlier approbations discourage working with anything that is evil. This is a red flag for those who are aware.

The German manuscripts are known by scholars to be the authority. In comparisson, the Mather's version appears to be a honey pot. Designed to trap those who are drawn to it for selfish motives. The German version includes 2 key points which indicate this beyond the divergent magical content.

1) The German version prohibits taking money for this craft and knowledge. The Mather's version seems to encourage it.
2) And this is most important: The German version reflects precisely what I posted earlier in the thread. One needs to know what they are writing. There is a lot more to this than putting letters in a specific position in a grid. The Mather's version skips this entirely. Please dear readers understand the implications of this.

If the one attempting these works for selfish motives and does not know what they are invoking/evoking, then they can very easily be calling the Kracken for its meal, which happens to be the practioner themself. The ignorant are potentially putting themselves on the menu, then ringing the dinner bell. The author seems to have intentionally omitted a vital warning to the target which would encourage them to avoid the snare and put away the book or ask for help.

There is also a massive gap in the initiation protocol when comparing the two versions. The German version includes atonement. The Mathers version does not, as far as I can tell. This is important. Lacking atonement, the practioner who has put themselves on the menu, then is calling the kracken, is lacking any and all protections for themself, and potentially others.

It's bad news. Caveat Emptor. This is common sense. If you don't know what you're saying, and you don't know what you're doing, and you don't understand how it's supposed to work, it's bad idea engaging in it. If you don't know how electricty works, climbing up the pole to hook up the the "main-line", because it's in an incomplete instruction manual, and it sounds like fun and adventure and will profit you somehow, is a bad bad plan.

Here is the the quote from the German, complete, translation.

Screenshot_20231014_102854.jpg

Ziran wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:55 am
Spida wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:10 pm
It makes sense that you would draw it on the square the same way it's read.
Right, how is it being read AND understood, by the one who is making it. same question for the one who will be gazing at it. or possessing it?

When it is being crafted, is the maker's intellectual investment, like you described, including a mental directive: "reverse order, reverse the order, reverse the order..." while the letters are being written? There's a lot more to this than just putting the correct letter in the correct position in an array. That's just writing something.

And are the hebrew letters actually being used? or are english letters being used but written in reverse?

For those who have eyes and ears, this confirms I actually know what I'm talking about. And I only have your best interests in my heart and mind. When reading the quote from the book I posted, notice, non-Jews are not being prohibited from this content. And this makes sense. The Jewish people have been scattered and hidden for over a thousand years when this book was written. No one knows who is or is not of the Jewish ethnic background. My position is, everyone is considered equal. If they are claiming to be of a specific heritage, and they would like to be treated as such, so be it. I am not an ordained Rabbi. And making those kinds of distinctions is far far outside my personal moral code, which I take very seriously.

Sicnerely,

I think that the image you have posted related to the German quotation, relates a lot to something I would like to call spiritual dialects and regionalism.

Sometimes, I find it very evident that it works when writing and speaking in my local language.

After all, language is acquired through learning and experiences, which are acquired on an individual basis.

As for Belial, he is the 68th spirit of the Goetia.

The 4th if you wanted to mention it is Samigina Marquis of Hell.

Posted: **Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:45 pm**

BlackOrbit666 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:30 pm As for Belial, he is the 68th spirit of the Goetia.

The 4th if you wanted to mention it is Samigina Marquis of Hell.

"Marquis of Hell"

If the book begins with a strict prohibition against working with dark forces of any kind, then in Chapter 3 smuggles in working with a demon from hell, what does that tell you about the book?

If this same book omits a warning to the practioner to always-always know what they are working with that is included in the original, what does that tell you about the book?

Big picture, is it wise to make a talisman or amulet without knowing what it says? And would that even work at all?

Posted: **Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:30 pm**

Ziran wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:45 pm
BlackOrbit666 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:30 pm As for Belial, he is the 68th spirit of the Goetia.

The 4th if you wanted to mention it is Samigina Marquis of Hell.
"Marquis of Hell"

If the book begins with a strict prohibition against working with dark forces of any kind, then in Chapter 3 smuggles in working with a demon from hell, what does that tell you about the book?

If this same book omits a warning to the practioner to always-always know what they are working with that is included in the original, what does that tell you about the book?

Big picture, is it wise to make a talisman or amulet without knowing what it says? And would that even work at all?

Well, that book clearly tells you about the principles of working with Demons and that Faustian bargains are dangerous.

People should really know that working with Demonic energies is pretty dangerous, hence why I became a universalist and put much more accent on various types of good energy workings.

Although, working with Demons proves to be successful in some of my situations (heh, have a dark taste sometimes

) still, I prefer working up with various other beings such as Angels, the Gods etc.

Now, returning to working with Demons, well, the idea is that the original Ars Goetia clearly showed some warnings, but later copies always come up corrupted and don't have their information in them.

Amulets work in most of the cases and it has been a shamanic practice for years, which was later to be also adopted by Jewish, Palestinian and various other peoples.

The only thing is that even when wearing such amulets, you still have to be very careful as working with Demons, especially high ranking ones is more than dangerous. Some Demons possess enough strong will in order to break up a specific circle or ring, so it is best to always start with the lower ranking ones or at least try to show a lot of respect.

Amulets are very protective but can come with risk when using them such as if you don't use the adequate crystals, you can attract the Demon instead of banishing it. And as a tip: never try to use gold if you want to banish Paimon as Paimon's favorite metal is gold..

I would also add to be very careful when working with Astaroth as Astaroth, just like Mammon, is inventor of Alchemical concepts and they tolerate various metals.

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