Original post: Winnipeg1919
Evil and religious convention aside, it is still a stupid idea. Far too much risk of reinforcing nastie recessive genes, and producing numerous birth defects and genetic disease.
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Original post: tiger_shark
Incest is the best, put your brother to the test! lol
Incest is the best, put your brother to the test! lol
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Original post: RifRaf
[QUOTE=durki;348859]If a man lives with his mother on a secluded island with no humans around and if he fathers children through her, then mom-son incest in this case may not be evil.[/QUOTE]
If you are that horny, just do what nearly every other man on the planet Earth does and jack-off.
I was in prison for a year and I never witnessed two men doing anything, contrary to popular belief. If you do not have the willpower to ignore sex when it can not work without breaking your moral obligations, then you are a very weak person. On the other hand, if you have no morals, than do whatever you want.
[QUOTE=durki;348859]If a man lives with his mother on a secluded island with no humans around and if he fathers children through her, then mom-son incest in this case may not be evil.[/QUOTE]
If you are that horny, just do what nearly every other man on the planet Earth does and jack-off.
I was in prison for a year and I never witnessed two men doing anything, contrary to popular belief. If you do not have the willpower to ignore sex when it can not work without breaking your moral obligations, then you are a very weak person. On the other hand, if you have no morals, than do whatever you want.
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Original post: Carmin
ummm.. Durki? That princess that you spoke of was actually Catherine the Great. If you are trying to convice me of rampant incest growing exponentially as a threat to the world, pull something more recent. And get the facts straight.
As for me, I don't want these people reproducing. Keep your chlorine out of my gene pool.
[QUOTE=RifRaf;349015]If you are that horny, just do what nearly every other man on the planet Earth does and jack-off. [/QUOTE]
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Hooray masturbation!!
ummm.. Durki? That princess that you spoke of was actually Catherine the Great. If you are trying to convice me of rampant incest growing exponentially as a threat to the world, pull something more recent. And get the facts straight.
As for me, I don't want these people reproducing. Keep your chlorine out of my gene pool.
[QUOTE=RifRaf;349015]If you are that horny, just do what nearly every other man on the planet Earth does and jack-off. [/QUOTE]
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Original post: Kath_
incest is bad because combining gametes from 2 people who have a very high degree of genetic relation, increases the chance of pairing up 2 of the same recessive genetic flaw. You see... we all have hundreds of genetic flaws. things which are broken in our DNA, but which go unexpressed because they are recessive, and our dominant genes on the other chromosome set override them.... so if people with a high chance of carrying the same recessive genetic flaws mate, then the offspring stand a very high chance of having genetic 'problems', ranging from stillbirth, to retardation, to webbed whatever... a million possibilities, and mostly bad.
*that* is what is wrong with incest.
all this talk of good & evil, or 'perversion' bringing about mankind's downfall... is silliness. If anything is the downfall of mankind, its the self righteous.
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incest is bad because combining gametes from 2 people who have a very high degree of genetic relation, increases the chance of pairing up 2 of the same recessive genetic flaw. You see... we all have hundreds of genetic flaws. things which are broken in our DNA, but which go unexpressed because they are recessive, and our dominant genes on the other chromosome set override them.... so if people with a high chance of carrying the same recessive genetic flaws mate, then the offspring stand a very high chance of having genetic 'problems', ranging from stillbirth, to retardation, to webbed whatever... a million possibilities, and mostly bad.
*that* is what is wrong with incest.
all this talk of good & evil, or 'perversion' bringing about mankind's downfall... is silliness. If anything is the downfall of mankind, its the self righteous.
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Eve was created from Adam by Jehovah. So Eve is like daughter of Adam. After eating the forbidden fruit, Adam & Eve mated and produced children. Albert Einstein, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud and Jesus are some of their many descendents.
Eve was created from Adam by Jehovah. So Eve is like daughter of Adam. After eating the forbidden fruit, Adam & Eve mated and produced children. Albert Einstein, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud and Jesus are some of their many descendents.
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Original post: S33k3R
Dude...get to point and stop talking in riddles, your not that interesting to warrant the mental gymnastics required to figure out your angle.
As someone who lives and works with the Indian culture...I know that incest as well as homosexuality among the Indian community is rampant and that some family trees resemble bamboo sticks. So what?
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Dude...get to point and stop talking in riddles, your not that interesting to warrant the mental gymnastics required to figure out your angle.
As someone who lives and works with the Indian culture...I know that incest as well as homosexuality among the Indian community is rampant and that some family trees resemble bamboo sticks. So what?
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Original post: Aurum
I don't believe it to be natural. It may be interesting to say, in case anybody didn't know, I think in ancient times some people believed that they could keep incarnating into the family line or tribe by doing so.
I don't believe it to be natural. It may be interesting to say, in case anybody didn't know, I think in ancient times some people believed that they could keep incarnating into the family line or tribe by doing so.
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Original post: MatthewK
[QUOTE=durki;349077]Eve was created from Adam by Jehovah. So Eve is like daughter of Adam. After eating the forbidden fruit, Adam & Eve mated and produced children. Albert Einstein, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud and Jesus are some of their many descendents.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to add "I believe..." before that whole bit about Adam and Eve; you know, this kind of posting really leaves me intrigued for about 3 seconds as to your background, but I can't stay interested or rouse myself to concern for long because of the issues you address. Incest is a matter of preference, I suppose, and though I myself do not find it appealing, it's been well-addressed by others that history and other cultures are rife with conflicting data about it: some cultures support or endorse it, some are openly abhorrent of it, and some take it as a non-issue (strangely enough... or not?).
Do you post things like this for a psych course you're taking? It seems to me that you post on topics that, in order for them to garner a good response and generate positive interaction among all who take part, require a priori sharing in your beliefs/belief system, whatever it is. There is no room in your "philosophy" for any set of beliefs or theories apart from your own, you see them as canonical and universal - furthermore the experience of them is unquestionable and self-evident to you.
Well, I can't defend this position at all, and I'm here to throw a wrench into the works of your paper with the assertion that the subjectivity of experience must be taken into account, and the usefulness of the results of such a study are diminished when cast onto the screen of religion or morality.
Your constant posting about sex, homosexuality, orgies, immoral activities and purity or sanctity are indicative of some deep-seated warps in your perspective on the nature of experience (or the experience of nature, take your pick). I suggest you see a psychologist yourself and stop trying to be one.
[QUOTE=durki;349077]Eve was created from Adam by Jehovah. So Eve is like daughter of Adam. After eating the forbidden fruit, Adam & Eve mated and produced children. Albert Einstein, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud and Jesus are some of their many descendents.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to add "I believe..." before that whole bit about Adam and Eve; you know, this kind of posting really leaves me intrigued for about 3 seconds as to your background, but I can't stay interested or rouse myself to concern for long because of the issues you address. Incest is a matter of preference, I suppose, and though I myself do not find it appealing, it's been well-addressed by others that history and other cultures are rife with conflicting data about it: some cultures support or endorse it, some are openly abhorrent of it, and some take it as a non-issue (strangely enough... or not?).
Do you post things like this for a psych course you're taking? It seems to me that you post on topics that, in order for them to garner a good response and generate positive interaction among all who take part, require a priori sharing in your beliefs/belief system, whatever it is. There is no room in your "philosophy" for any set of beliefs or theories apart from your own, you see them as canonical and universal - furthermore the experience of them is unquestionable and self-evident to you.
Well, I can't defend this position at all, and I'm here to throw a wrench into the works of your paper with the assertion that the subjectivity of experience must be taken into account, and the usefulness of the results of such a study are diminished when cast onto the screen of religion or morality.
Your constant posting about sex, homosexuality, orgies, immoral activities and purity or sanctity are indicative of some deep-seated warps in your perspective on the nature of experience (or the experience of nature, take your pick). I suggest you see a psychologist yourself and stop trying to be one.
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Original post: silentone
I think (as with most sexual acts) that it is fine if done between consenting adults. After all, you can't help who you fall in love with, even if it is someone related to you by blood.
I think (as with most sexual acts) that it is fine if done between consenting adults. After all, you can't help who you fall in love with, even if it is someone related to you by blood.
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Original post: tiger_shark
[QUOTE=silentone;349249]I think (as with most sexual acts) that it is fine if done between consenting adults. After all, you can't help who you fall in love with, even if it is someone related to you by blood.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but as Kath mentioned because of the likelyhood of birth defects and genetic faults I think there should be some restrictions(at least on inter-family children). I think it is needed that incest is socially taboo.
[QUOTE=silentone;349249]I think (as with most sexual acts) that it is fine if done between consenting adults. After all, you can't help who you fall in love with, even if it is someone related to you by blood.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but as Kath mentioned because of the likelyhood of birth defects and genetic faults I think there should be some restrictions(at least on inter-family children). I think it is needed that incest is socially taboo.
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Original post: durki
I am not sure how far incest & alternate sex are bad. But one thing I am sure of is that hypocrisy, bluff, fraud, posing and parading that one is pure & okay and that others are impure and not okay is definitely bad.
I for one know for sure that I am bad and that the Indian sub-continent is a haven for paedophiles from the West.
I am not sure how far incest & alternate sex are bad. But one thing I am sure of is that hypocrisy, bluff, fraud, posing and parading that one is pure & okay and that others are impure and not okay is definitely bad.
I for one know for sure that I am bad and that the Indian sub-continent is a haven for paedophiles from the West.
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Original post: MatthewK
[QUOTE=durki;349426]I am not sure how far incest & alternate sex are bad. But one thing I am sure of is that hypocrisy, bluff, fraud, posing and parading that one is pure & okay and that others are impure and not okay is definitely bad.
I for one know for sure that I am bad and that the Indian sub-continent is a haven for paedophiles from the West.[/QUOTE]
That kindof puts a damper on my desire to one day vacation in India. Thanks alot.
[QUOTE=durki;349426]I am not sure how far incest & alternate sex are bad. But one thing I am sure of is that hypocrisy, bluff, fraud, posing and parading that one is pure & okay and that others are impure and not okay is definitely bad.
I for one know for sure that I am bad and that the Indian sub-continent is a haven for paedophiles from the West.[/QUOTE]
That kindof puts a damper on my desire to one day vacation in India. Thanks alot.
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Original post: Jenfucius
Carmen has already mention the third one (Catherine the Great). (Which btw I read somewhere was a rumour made by her enemies.)
Without riddles. What are the references to the first two?durki;301974 wrote: Consider the following 3 situations :-
(1) One father had affair with his daughter and a son was born to her. Father died and son after growing up had affair with his own mother.
(2) Kings of 2 states in India had beautiful wives & the children. But they started taking to handsome boys.
Carmen has already mention the third one (Catherine the Great). (Which btw I read somewhere was a rumour made by her enemies.)
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Original post: S33k3R
Why point out western pedophiles specifically? Arranged marriages in India often involve girls as young as 11...Jesus, its fucking LEGAL there.
You have no point whatsoever.
I for one know for sure that I am bad and that the Indian sub-continent is a haven for paedophiles from the West.
Why point out western pedophiles specifically? Arranged marriages in India often involve girls as young as 11...Jesus, its fucking LEGAL there.
You have no point whatsoever.
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Original post: IAO131
93,
In theory: there is nothing wrong.
In practice: Complications with society, let alone genetic defects.
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt. But that doesn't exempt you from the consequences.
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93,
In theory: there is nothing wrong.
In practice: Complications with society, let alone genetic defects.
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt. But that doesn't exempt you from the consequences.
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Maybe he is refering to this public myth in India that AIDS infected men can cure themselves of the disease by having sex with young virgin children?????S33k3R;349433 wrote:.... Arranged marriages in India often involve girls as young as 11...Jesus, its fucking LEGAL there.
You have no point whatsoever.
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Original post: S33k3R
That belief is common in both India and Africa, however its a bit more complex than that...
This from the Asian Tribune:
"Tradition and superstition are further reinforced by necessity. The benefit of child marriages for poor people is that it is cheaper for the family than adult marriages, since a child marriage does not need to be as prestigious and costly as an adult marriage. It is said in Hindi that "chhota chhora dahej kam mangta" ("the younger the groom, the smaller the dowry"). Rural poverty similarly puts pressure on families to transfer the economic cost of a daughter to another family as early as possible.
The practice is particularly rampant in the populous northern belt where child marriages are most deeply rooted: Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and West Bengal, with a combined population of 420 million, about 40 percent of all India. In Rajasthan alone, 56% of the women have been married before they were 15."
In fact I was wrong in my last post...some as young as 7 are married. Before anyone tells me that they aren't subject to sexual duties at that age, spare me.
It was passed into Law in 1929 to ban child marriages.
Sort of suspicions when the Local mayor attends the wedding and a policeman in the Groom, innit?
It must be understood that woman in India are as good as usless, it is quite common for a poor family to kill infant girls at birth. Boys are at least worth something.
Another charming practice is that of "Sati", when a womans husband dies, she is encouraged to throw herself onto her Husbands funeral pyre in an act of self immolation...the locals will nod and say that she was so stricken with grief that she wished to follow her beloved into the Afterlife etc etc.
The truth is, she will be shunned from society, never re-marry and is useful as tits on a bull.
Travel Advice: When in India, stick to the 5 star hotels in Goa...the weed is cheap, (order a "Bang-Lassie" if you are thirsty:evil:) the mushrooms are strong and the full moon beach parties rock.
That belief is common in both India and Africa, however its a bit more complex than that...
This from the Asian Tribune:
"Tradition and superstition are further reinforced by necessity. The benefit of child marriages for poor people is that it is cheaper for the family than adult marriages, since a child marriage does not need to be as prestigious and costly as an adult marriage. It is said in Hindi that "chhota chhora dahej kam mangta" ("the younger the groom, the smaller the dowry"). Rural poverty similarly puts pressure on families to transfer the economic cost of a daughter to another family as early as possible.
The practice is particularly rampant in the populous northern belt where child marriages are most deeply rooted: Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and West Bengal, with a combined population of 420 million, about 40 percent of all India. In Rajasthan alone, 56% of the women have been married before they were 15."
In fact I was wrong in my last post...some as young as 7 are married. Before anyone tells me that they aren't subject to sexual duties at that age, spare me.
It was passed into Law in 1929 to ban child marriages.
Sort of suspicions when the Local mayor attends the wedding and a policeman in the Groom, innit?
It must be understood that woman in India are as good as usless, it is quite common for a poor family to kill infant girls at birth. Boys are at least worth something.
Another charming practice is that of "Sati", when a womans husband dies, she is encouraged to throw herself onto her Husbands funeral pyre in an act of self immolation...the locals will nod and say that she was so stricken with grief that she wished to follow her beloved into the Afterlife etc etc.
The truth is, she will be shunned from society, never re-marry and is useful as tits on a bull.
Travel Advice: When in India, stick to the 5 star hotels in Goa...the weed is cheap, (order a "Bang-Lassie" if you are thirsty:evil:) the mushrooms are strong and the full moon beach parties rock.
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Original post: durki
Let me clarify on some of the points raised in the above posts so as to put the records straight :-
(1) Interactions & intercourses with psychologists is more for ego-satisfaction than for any genuine benefit and psychiatrists on their part generally end up spoiling the cases.
(2) I have known in India one man telling another when their wives are pregnant that if he gets male child and the other one a female child or vice-versa , then they would marry them each other.
(3) Five-star hotels cost up to 5000 dollars per day. And Goa has witnessed many rapes, murders and other crimes of late.
Why not stay in cheaper hotels and spend extra money on the under-privileged. You can also have fun with the willing waitors & waitresses with paltry sum in such lodging places.
Let me clarify on some of the points raised in the above posts so as to put the records straight :-
(1) Interactions & intercourses with psychologists is more for ego-satisfaction than for any genuine benefit and psychiatrists on their part generally end up spoiling the cases.
(2) I have known in India one man telling another when their wives are pregnant that if he gets male child and the other one a female child or vice-versa , then they would marry them each other.
(3) Five-star hotels cost up to 5000 dollars per day. And Goa has witnessed many rapes, murders and other crimes of late.
Why not stay in cheaper hotels and spend extra money on the under-privileged. You can also have fun with the willing waitors & waitresses with paltry sum in such lodging places.
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Original post: S33k3R
I'm not quite sure I follow...
1) Something about having intercourse with your psychologist for ego satisfaction...I don't recall mentioning that, but OK, I suppose if she's cute...sure why not? :eh:
2)Friends arranging for their offspring to marry is common yes, and in light of the culture, theres nothing wrong with that. 90% of marriages in India are arranged in any case. Thats not the issue I was was raising, its the 57 year old bearded fat guy that marries an 8 year old that disturbs me. Wheres the Clarification?
3) Thanks for the moral advice
... I should go "have fun" with poor waitresses for paltry sums of money in dingy lodgings.
Sounds like fun.
Thank God China is going to be the next superpower and not India.
I'm not quite sure I follow...
1) Something about having intercourse with your psychologist for ego satisfaction...I don't recall mentioning that, but OK, I suppose if she's cute...sure why not? :eh:
2)Friends arranging for their offspring to marry is common yes, and in light of the culture, theres nothing wrong with that. 90% of marriages in India are arranged in any case. Thats not the issue I was was raising, its the 57 year old bearded fat guy that marries an 8 year old that disturbs me. Wheres the Clarification?
3) Thanks for the moral advice
... I should go "have fun" with poor waitresses for paltry sums of money in dingy lodgings. Sounds like fun.
Thank God China is going to be the next superpower and not India.
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Original post: durki
Intercourse need not be sexual alone in nature. It could as well be engaging in a discussion, touching hand, making gestures, expressing through body language, showing emotions et cetera.S33k3R;350748 wrote: Something about having intercourse with your psychologist for ego satisfaction...
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In any event, I'm really struggling to see relevance here. You said:
I'm going to take a flying leap of faith here and assume that sarcasm isn't big in India...correct?...(and no, I didn't just jump off a building).Intercourse need not be sexual alone in nature. It could as well be engaging in a discussion, touching hand, making gestures, expressing through body language, showing emotions et cetera.
In any event, I'm really struggling to see relevance here. You said:
Let me clarify on some of the points raised in the above posts so as to put the records straight/QUOTE]
The post to which you were referring to was mine and I didn't say anything about either psychologists or psychiatrists...so its all a bit mystifying really. You didn't set any record straight, apart from mentioning that some parents plan their children's wedding, (true but irrelevant to the topic at hand), and that instead of staying at nice hotels in Goa, I should stay in cheap ones so as to easier molest their poor staff for "paltry money"?
you need help.
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Original post: PAA_707
I don't know if it has already been said. But those arranged marriages in India that are with 11 year olds, don't neccessarily "live" with their husbands that young. What normally happens is the girl will go live with the husbands family, spend time with his female relatives. Until she matures into a woman.
That is how it's suppose to be, but of course there are sicc fucks everywhere. I was reading about problems in that area with child prostitution. I saw pictures of little girls that looked 8-10 years old lined up on the wall in mini skirts, like some pros from TJ. It was a fuckin disgrace.
That's the one positive thing I can say about the I.R. countries in the Middle East compared to India. They would never allow some shit like that to happen in Iran, Afghanistan, etc. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's just a big of crime there as here, if not worse.
But then you got the problem with the I.R countries doing female "circumcision." But that's a whole other topic.
I don't know if it has already been said. But those arranged marriages in India that are with 11 year olds, don't neccessarily "live" with their husbands that young. What normally happens is the girl will go live with the husbands family, spend time with his female relatives. Until she matures into a woman.
That is how it's suppose to be, but of course there are sicc fucks everywhere. I was reading about problems in that area with child prostitution. I saw pictures of little girls that looked 8-10 years old lined up on the wall in mini skirts, like some pros from TJ. It was a fuckin disgrace.
That's the one positive thing I can say about the I.R. countries in the Middle East compared to India. They would never allow some shit like that to happen in Iran, Afghanistan, etc. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's just a big of crime there as here, if not worse.
But then you got the problem with the I.R countries doing female "circumcision." But that's a whole other topic.
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Original post: 1911
Sexual relations with your siblings and/or parents can reap serious rewards. If your sister, mother, aunt, niece, cousin etc. is hot and you have you have sexual relations (and ejaculate inside of them) you might produce an "extreme" banjo player! if you are gay then I guess you and your male cohorts can forcefully finger "googly" eyes onto a a fresh turd and call it a baby.
Otherwise, sex is just for fun.
Sexual relations with your siblings and/or parents can reap serious rewards. If your sister, mother, aunt, niece, cousin etc. is hot and you have you have sexual relations (and ejaculate inside of them) you might produce an "extreme" banjo player! if you are gay then I guess you and your male cohorts can forcefully finger "googly" eyes onto a a fresh turd and call it a baby.
Otherwise, sex is just for fun.
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I knew there was a reason ive been banging my sister like a ten cent drum! Thanks:eh:
I knew there was a reason ive been banging my sister like a ten cent drum! Thanks:eh: