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Original post: Skeptismo118

Phil Marsh isn't really the best source, but whatever floats your boat.

Original post: Centrix

If the sources are in accordance with science, then it really doesn't matter. Most people misunderstand evolution. http://www.talkorigins.org/ is a good source.

Original post: GeNoCyDe

[QUOTE=BloodStar Nebula]I'd prefer seeing both of you banned because according to my meter you're both equally annoying...[/QUOTE]
Maybe so,but I don't recall getting any warnings and I don't
preach or bash other's paths.

Now if you want to see me ANNOYING,the link is in my sig.just lurk,
I'm well behaved on other's forums,I'm mega Therion on mine. :lol:

Original post: adeadanubis

[QUOTE=GeNoCyDe]â?¦I don't preach or bash other's paths.[/QUOTE]
haha, sure you bash of the paths. But you do it in an fun, amusing way, lol

Original post: Hairetikos

On topic, I'm wary of any organization descended from the CoS. I sometimes get the impression that their founder was probably thinking, "If LaVey could pull it off, then so can I." Concerning the ToS in particular, I think some of their claims are downright ridiculous. No point in elaborating, since it's just my opinion and probably doesn't count for much. Well... there's my two cents.

Original post: GeNoCyDe

[QUOTE=adeadanubis]haha, sure you bash of the paths. But you do it in an fun, amusing way, lol[/QUOTE]
I don't do it here and I don't do it to anyone who
dosen't just BEG for it.LOL

Sorry,left topic again.

Has this young person found out all they need
on the ToS or even Set himself?

Original post: Zarathustra

[QUOTE=Osel]I am skeptical, as a general rule, of those who claim to have recieved divine word directly from their deity.[/QUOTE]

I second you on this point.

Original post: Zarathustra

[QUOTE=GeNoCyDe]
"Religion is the perfect excuse to think inside
SOMEONE ELSE'S box."[/QUOTE]

I second this point as well. Though I will say that it is a sign of great maturity when a person has deconstructed the lines that we commonly use to differntiate between the communal and the personal pursuit of truth. Different seasons call for different measures. To borrow a metaphor from the Tarot: at certain points we must wear the Hermit's cloak and at other times bow our knees before the Heirophant. All that matters is that we can bend the knee without dishonouring it.

Original post: Zarathustra

[QUOTE=limitedwhole]Dear Zarathustra,
I would encourage you to avoid Satanism in all its forms. Certainly Yahweh and Beezlebub are real although they go by many names. I have been tormented by Satan, and the victim of all sorts of illusions and deceptions. Please be warry and careful lest you fall into the abyss. Nietzsche was a thouroughly brilliant man and fell in. Our minds are nothing as compared to the intellilect of the supernatural powers. It was Nietzsche's pride that led to his downfall and my pride which led to my fall.

I write to you as a fellow philosopher in the regards to remind you that to be a friend of wisdom means to be a lover of God. Philosophers which expouse the advancement of man without giving thanks to the creator are vain in essence and influenced by Satan. Be warry too that while me are mere chaff in comparison to Satan, that Satan is mere chaff in comparison to the merciful and just God.

BE warry to that you repent of your sins so that sanctifying grace may be restored to you and that you may regain the friendship and love of God.

Remember, that Satan promises power but he strips the self of that power and suplants your true voice with his own, theirin coinferring the power upon himself. The German philosophers themselves are excellent examples. Nietzsche went insane because he was listening to the voices of demons and his was own true voice was all but obliterated. Wittgenstein struggled and nearly lost his voice altogether as well. God's only restrictioon on your voice is that you use it for teh furtherance of the kingdom of heaven. Be mindful.

By any regards I would encourage you to read Jonah before further considering any influence of SAtanism upon your mind.

Faithfully,
Brian[/QUOTE]

And to quote the bible that you seem to hold in such superstitious awe, "Perfect love casteth out fear." I would like to say that I appreciate your concerns, but I cannot help but hope that you come to understand how it is merely the shadow side of your Christian psyche, not some "Satan" figure that is accosting you. If what you say is true, I would recommend a temporary break from all things "occult" and seek some solid psychological council. And if this will give my opinion any virtue in your eyes, I am a former Christian who was very much involved in spiritual warfare and exorcism.

Original post: m1thr0s

And if this will give my opinion any virtue in your eyes, I am a former Christian who was very much involved in spiritual warfare and exorcism.

Aye...and a frightening battle it can be...we are all hard-wired for failure in ways we don't even know. Getting at the root of "unconscious ignorance" is not an easy task...many "devils" hiding in there and NONE of them the truth of Satan itself...in point of fact, it is the spirit of Satan that calls them on and takes them out, one miserable little lie at a time. They don't call him the Prince of Lies for nuthin...hehe...

Since this has been opened to formal philosophy, try this on for size:
IFF God is a construct what MUST Satan be? If you guessed a counter-construct, I'm guessing you have guessed correctly...if you can't even entertain the possibility, why not? Loyalty oath got you by the b*lls? So...is Fear dictating your options? Knowlege they say, is the enemy of Faith...so mote it be.

m1thr0s

Original post: Kain

[QUOTE=m1thr0s]Since this has been opened to formal philosophy, try this on for size:
IFF God is a construct what MUST Satan be? If you guessed a counter-construct, I'm guessing you have guessed correctly...if you can't even entertain the possibility, why not? Loyalty oath got you by the b*lls? So...is Fear dictating your options? Knowlege they say, is the enemy of Faith...so mote it be.[/QUOTE]This is actually one of the most brilliant points expressed around here for some time now...worthy for further digestion..hehe...great point m1thr0s...

Kain

Original post: Zarathustra

[QUOTE=Hairetikos;240990]On topic, I'm wary of any organization descended from the CoS. I sometimes get the impression that their founder was probably thinking, "If LaVey could pull it off, then so can I." Concerning the ToS in particular, I think some of their claims are downright ridiculous. No point in elaborating, since it's just my opinion and probably doesn't count for much. Well... there's my two cents.[/QUOTE]

Hairetekos, what do you feel LaVey got away with pulling off that Aquino would seek to emulate? Wouldn't it be simpler to accept Aquino's reasons for establishing the ToS rather than speculating about his intentions? For myself, I downloaded and read both his history of CoS and ToS and wasn't really left with the impression that he was trying to pull something off in a clandestine and shifty manner. As far as one can judge someone's character from their writing, he seems to be on the level and well intentioned.

What are the claims that the ToS makes that you feel are rediculous? Are you referring to Aquino's claim that "The Book of Coming Forth by Night" was "given to him by the Set deity? For myself, I haven't ruled out the possibility of such an experience although I know it raises many complicated philosophical problems.

Anyway, I am fucking tired and have to work early. Guten Nacht.

Original post: NingishziddasSecretary

Who cares? Rather, it is irrelevant what one human wrote or reasoned for their own little churches. We've got to get over this dogmatic crapfest soon or Satanism itself is going to be about as useful as a ball and chain.

Individuality, mastery of illusion and time, becoming the axis instead of the spokes on someone else's wheel...

That is Satanism. Even writing books is questionable for a true Satanist. It moves much too slowly for it to be very useful unless you truly have something to say worth remembering for over twelve hundred years.

As far as I know neither Lavey nor Aquino or any other author on the popular occult shelves right now fits that bill.

It's a waste of time to mull over it for too long, absorb, digest, switch, discard, move on. The Satanist is a rapid mover, never tarrying too long in the footsteps the masters of time and space leave in their rapid wake.

Original post: Stormwatch

[QUOTE=GeNoCyDe;238904]Click the link....you know you want to.


I know where your god is,I ate him,and shat out his remains.

Come to my forum........let us talk crusader.

Or are you afraid he won't protect you from the truth?[/QUOTE]


:rolleyes:

seriously : :rolleyes:

Original post: Azerate218

I dislike the Temple of Set (but I like them more than the Church of Satan). Their mistake is that they are trying to make Set into something accepted and harmless. They want to become a big religion. Satanism isn't for the masses. It's for the elite few that actually possess the will to break through the shackles of the cosmos and to become immortal.

Original post: Hanged_in_Glory

They suck. And they're powerless.

HiG

Original post: LadyHydralisk

Azerate218;284113 wrote:I dislike the Temple of Set (but I like them more than the Church of Satan). Their mistake is that they are trying to make Set into something accepted and harmless. They want to become a big religion. Satanism isn't for the masses. It's for the elite few that actually possess the will to break through the shackles of the cosmos and to become immortal.

ahahahah. true, true. sometimes it is fun to just laugh mischieviously though. come hell or high water. damn, I'm horny. where's Satan when you need him? Oh right...I'm supposed to be a Satan.

Original post: Centrix

I never knew the TOS wants to become a big religion. Where'd you come up with that? The Temple of Set is not a Satanic organization, by the way. So your criticism doesn't stand, Azerate. There are many intelligent people in that organization in my opinion. I just think their overall philosophy is flawed and their origins are dubious. They are one of the more intelligent occult organizations however.

Original post: LadyHydralisk

If they're not Satanic, why did Trapezoid hang out here? That's weird...

Original post: Centrix

He probably had different reasons. Some claim they are "Satanic" in a way, and some claim they have "evolved" past the Judeo-Christian imagery. It was officially claimed some time back by Don Webb, I believe, that the Temple of Set distanced itself away from Satanism and is a different religion entirely.

In essence, Michael Aquino held entirely different views than the Church of Satan and wanted to change the Church of Satan to his own vision. It didn't work, Anton Lavey grew tired of him and told him to cut the bullshit nicely, and he left in a hissy fit to create his own thing.

Their philosophy isn't that strong. There is hardly consensus between members reflecting on the philosophy. The best aspect in my opinion is their forms of communication and interaction between members.

I know of atleast a few senior members of the Church of Satan today who used to be members of the TOS for some years in the '80s or so. I contemplated that organization as well. I researched enough to know it wasn't my cup of tea afterall, although its aesthetics and the appearance of the philosophy on paper seemed interesting to pull me into seeing what it offers.

Original post: Azerate218

[QUOTE=Centrix;284174]I never knew the TOS wants to become a big religion. Where'd you come up with that? The Temple of Set is not a Satanic organization, by the way. So your criticism doesn't stand, Azerate. There are many intelligent people in that organization in my opinion. I just think their overall philosophy is flawed and their origins are dubious. They are one of the more intelligent occult organizations however.[/QUOTE]

I never denied that there were many intelligent people in the ToS. ToS is Satanic in my eyes because to me, Satan = Set. Also, here's a quote from their website: The Temple of Set, now the worldâ??s preeminent Satanic religious institution.

If they didn't want to become a big religion, then they wouldn't water down their philosophy into something more acceptable. Set is the god of fuckin evil! They deny that he is evil.

Original post: eradark

Satanism is for those who recognize in themselves that they are part of the essence; those who feel the dark current since the beginning. Unfortunately those individuals are rare. But I say the few the strong instead of many worthless converts satanism seems to attract. This is due to satanic bibles being available everywhere, sucking in all kinds of scum. Satanism and the dark arts have always and should be mysterious, forbidden and not for everyone. Hail to those who preserve it, painful death to the whores.

Original post: Scarlett_156

...painful death to the whores.

Hey... I sort of resent that...

Original post: Bone_Dancer

Does anyone remember a report some years ago that Aquino was a former government agent of some entity, like the CIA and that he initiated ToS as a experiment in mind control to see how gullible non-conformist mentalities were?

I remember hearing about that long ago, along with reading a rant from the founder of "Society of the Dark Lilly" slamming hell out of ToS and Aquino as frauds, etc.... And that's always stuck with me. Besides the fact anyone that claims an Egyptian god somehow inspires dogma, like unto other monotheist religions and claims it's black magic and left hand path, is rather amusing to me.

It's like the Christians only with horns and a trident wearing all black wardrobe's and screaming. "We will not conform to white lighter philosophies!" lol

Original post: LadyHydralisk

YEah I Agree.....

actually I am just staring at your avatar....can't remember what artist did that atm but I remember when he first unveiled it over at conceptart or gfx...something.

nicer than the vallejo one too, kind of like an opposite effect.

Anyways yeah fuck the Temple of Set...just another jackoff union