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Occult.. the "hidden knowledge". To what lengths they go to hide certain truths is marvelous, for once you reach a point of indoctrination the "common knowledge" is accepted as reality.

OP, you will have a hard time convincing anyone here. I have tried in past to present this case here, yet the people here are quite adamant on their own worldviews. For every argument posted, there has been a powerful rebuttal elsewhere on the internet. But hey, we're mad hatters, regardless of the hats being made of tin-foil. Every given man-made explanation of our existence is questioned and the indoctrinated will go lengths to play with their choice of words between "theory" and "hypothesis".

Remember, not all science is truth. Scientism is a terrible religion to believe in blindly.

I trust my own eyes and my intuition. I suggest you do the same and carry on with the knowledge you have come to grasp. Very, very few realize that their globe-model isn't the only one that works.

The case was presented and found to be as deeply flawed as it usually is. Members are free to present their viewpoints here, as long as they stay within the rules, of course and this discussion has been fruitful.

There is no validity to your criticism cyberdemon.

Although, it is common that when the hypothesis gets refuted and run out of arguments, even weak ones, many flat Earthers are in the habit of thinking it's fair game to claim persecution and 'other people's worldviews' to be at fault, rather than the reasonable scientific and empirically sound counter evidences that were brought to the discussion. Weak tantrum is weak.

Given that the flat Earth hypothesis is an idea based around flawed attempts at scientific reckoning, it is one that is best dealt with by evidencing from accurate, proven scientific and empirically evidenced theories, concerning and counteracting the same.

Other eyes do not observe as yours have and intuition is balanced not only by instinct, but by the ability to accept overwhelming amounts of credible evidence to support a theory that is also self evident. The theory is even provable to laypersons by simple backyard experimentation. A little understanding of basic mathematic principles also helps, though, admittedly, but having a responsible adult overseeing the experiment usually suffices if that is lacking.

Try the simple stick experiments, as explained earlier in the topic, even. [thumbup]

And finally, please regard:

Discussions held elsewhere, whether regarding the flat Earth hypothesis or some other subject and if they are online or not, are not the concern of this forum.

Nahemah, in reply to your comment,

In my humble opinion, according to your argument, the spherical earth would be just as much a hypothesis as the flat earth. There is no observable evidence to support it, only doctored photographs. Common sense the human eye, and even navigation seem to favor the flat earth "hypothesis".
And evolution most definitely has not been proven. Like "hypothesis" and "theory", "evolution" and "adaptation" are not interchangeable.
Selective breeding allows for thousands of different breeds, within species. All of the dogs on the planet today most likely are descendants of the wolf. But a species has never, and will never, evolve into another species. The theory (or perhaps, hypothesis) of Evolution can not possibly be proven, in any way. The fossil record vehemently denies it. If evolution were true, there should be millions of missing links in the fossil records. There should be missing links between missing links, and so on and so on. But there's not even one. So much for scientific proof.

Charles Darwin himself said "To suppose that the eye...could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree".

Forgive me for rambling, this has nothing to do with the topic.

equalavor wrote:I think you're, foremost, reading too literally into religious scripture. And *only Christian scripture at that.

Sure, the Earth is flat, in the sense that it's just one plane of existence, with an infinite number of layers plastered atop and below it. Otherwise, you're truly reaching into the depths for this argument. You said you weren't a beliver of the hypothesis yourself, but you prove otherwise.


The only way I coulld see this theory even remotely being feasible is if you completely remove the physical aspect of the enitre thing, and refer to all of your arguments as though they applied to the mental plane.

I recommend you take a look at some of the "real" literature shared by the members around here before you start coming to conclusions about anything in your life or others'.


By the by, No full photos of Earth? Uh, clouds? the fact that sattelites probably don't have that wide of a capture area? The fact that the earth is round? I can pull a ton of reasons right out of my butt as to why most of these arugments don't add up. I recommend you start reading and arguing with the books you read.

The book of Enoch would probably be considered Jewish. However, Enoch, and the Bible are definitely not my only source. As already stated, NASA has been proven to release fraudulent and doctored information to the masses. The moon landing, and the space programs of the world's nations, have been discovered to contain flaws. Bubbles coming out of an astronauts helmet? And you still trust them?

And satellites do not orbit in clouds. They are well above the clouds. If we have a rover on the moon, and countless satellites in orbit, we should be able to have at least one picture of the earth. Of course, hubble has an excuse for this: http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/fa ... cat=topten
I guess it would be rather difficult to snatch a picture of the earth when it is whizzing by at such incredible speeds.

I do apologize if any of my replies seem rude or irritable. My lack of smilies does not reflect my normally pleasant demeanor.

Smilies are optional, it's fine not to use them.

Yeshai maybe you mentioned this and I missed it, but what would be the benefit for people making up evolution and a round earth? Do you think it was a crafted conspiracy, or that the people were just ignorant when they came up with it?

chowderpope wrote:Yeshai maybe you mentioned this and I missed it, but what would be the benefit for people making up evolution and a round earth? Do you think it was a crafted conspiracy, or that the people were just ignorant when they came up with it?

Evolution, in my opinion, is a theory created to fill a desperate void left by Atheism. Evolution is riddled with error. Even Darwin acknowledged this. As I mentioned before, there is not one scrap of proof for the evolution of a species. And as for the big bang theory, it is even more ridiculous. We are told that all of the energy in the universe was condensed into a speck the size of the period at the end of this sentence. For no apparent reason, this speck exploded, creating the known universe. The same people that ridicule creationists for not being able to explain where God came from, cannot explain where the speck came from. Atheism does not have the capacity to explain the origin of the universe, the origin of time itself, or the origin of life. This can only be explained by an intelligent creator, who exists outside of time and matter. So I don't believe Evolution is a conspiracy. It's just a desperate, and rather poor attempt to justify denying the existence of a creator.

The spherical earth, in my opinion, is fuelled by conspiracy. Don't get me wrong, there are workers in NASA who are not involved in the conspiracy, who innocently believe in the spherical earth. Why would the "top dogs" of NASA, and the worlds space programs lie to the world about the shape of the earth? The spherical earth, spinning on it's axis, spinning around the sun, spinning around the milky way, spinning through the ever expanding universe, allows for the capacity needed to allow for the godless, yet "scientific" explanation of the universe. Pushing the creator farther and farther from society.

Needless to say, I was a devout creationist long before I ever entertained the idea of a flat earth.

Let us remind ourselves, that with all of our scientific knowledge, we still do not know exactly and for certain what stars are, and how far away they are from the earth. It is all based on speculation. Just like most of what we claim to know about space, and our place in the cosmos.