OccultForum.org

Original post: Lucian

Bone_Dancer;284326 wrote:Does anyone remember a report some years ago that Aquino was a former government agent of some entity, like the CIA and that he initiated ToS as a experiment in mind control to see how gullible non-conformist mentalities were?

I remember hearing about that long ago, along with reading a rant from the founder of "Society of the Dark Lilly" slamming hell out of ToS and Aquino as frauds, etc.... And that's always stuck with me. Besides the fact anyone that claims an Egyptian god somehow inspires dogma, like unto other monotheist religions and claims it's black magic and left hand path, is rather amusing to me.

It's like the Christians only with horns and a trident wearing all black wardrobe's and screaming. "We will not conform to white lighter philosophies!" lol

See? Never a dull moment.:p

I'm going to look up that article you mentioned. I've never read criticism from a non- LaVeyan, non-Christian point of view.

I'm not really tempted to join up with the ToS either. I've read books written by ToS members and I've come to the conclusion that there is more substance to the ToS than most LHP organizations. I haven't noticed a great deal of dogma. In fact it's kind of annoying because when I asked a ToS member "How does such and such fit into the LHP and initiation?" They always said something like, "You tell me. How does it fit into your initiation?" and then they brushed me off.:eh:

Not terribly impressed with their personalities thus far, but the knowledge is definitely there in my opinion.

Original post: Leviathan

I've found, in similar cases, such types aren't brushing you off so much as they're saying: Initiation is a completely subjective experience, dude.

While certain initiations are meant to achieve a particular purpose, or implementation...what they inspire exactly, is completely subjective, and for the experience of that individual alone are the benefits of initiation reaped.

Original post: Bone_Dancer

Lucian;285468 wrote:See? Never a dull moment.:p

I'm going to look up that article you mentioned. I've never read criticism from a non- LaVeyan, non-Christian point of view.

I'm not really tempted to join up with the ToS either. I've read books written by ToS members and I've come to the conclusion that there is more substance to the ToS than most LHP organizations. I haven't noticed a great deal of dogma. In fact it's kind of annoying because when I asked a ToS member "How does such and such fit into the LHP and initiation?" They always said something like, "You tell me. How does it fit into your initiation?" and then they brushed me off.:eh:

Not terribly impressed with their personalities thus far, but the knowledge is definitely there in my opinion.

I try never to be dull. It hurts to much when sharpened later.

If you find the article please do post a link here. I read it years ago but for all the keyword searching I have yet to find it. I'll look again and if I have success this time I'll post here.

I do know what you mean about the brushoff. Answering a question with a question is frustrating. Especially when the Setians I've met are very conceited or assured about their path and then when questioned about what they know of the journey, they are at a loss, it seems, for having the words to form an intelligent or cogent response. I think that says a lot in itself.

Original post: eradark

limitedwhore is banned. Excellent.

Original post: Bone_Dancer

Who exactly is known as a limitedwhore?

Original post: Darkwater

http://fraterhabilus.proboards61.com/in ... werofxeper

Great is the Might of Set,& Greater is he in us.

Original post: Darkwater

law 47

"Do Not Go Past The Mark You Aimed For, Learn When To Stop In Victory"



The moment of victory is often the moment of greatest peril. In the heat of victory, arrogance and overconfidence can push you past the goal you had aimed for, and by going too far, you make more enemies than you defeat. Do not allow success to go to your head. There is no substitute for strategy and careful planning. Set a goal, when you reach it stop.

Original post: Darkwater

Law 27

"Play On Peoples Need To Believe To Create A Cult-like Following"



People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand cause, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

Original post: Darkwater

Law 29

"Plan All The Way To The End"



The ending is everything. Plan all the way to it, taking into account all the possible consequences, obstacles, and twists of fortune that might reverse your hard work and give the glory to others. By planning to the end you will not be overwhelmed by circumstances and you will know when to stop. Gently guide fortune and help determine the future by thinking far ahead.

Original post: Darkwater

These Laws i posted in "Traditional Setian Methods" on the "Setian Heights of power board" are a product of a huge compendium from the author Robert Greene. Roberts book "48 Laws of Power" is an exceptional practice of ethical and moral being. I elaborated on these Laws in this forum, they have been broken down into one paragraph from many pages of description (500pgs) from in this awe-inspiring book. I hope you enjoy these readings.

Original post: Darkwater

Law 25

"Re-create Yourself"


Do not accept the roles that society foist on you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dramatic devices into your public gestures and actions--your power will be enhanced and your character will seem larger than life.

Original post: Darkwater

Law 21

"Play A Sucker To Catch A Sucker--Seem Dumber Than Your Mark"


No one likes feeling stupider than the next person. The trick, then, is to make your victims feel smart--and not just smart, but smarter than you are. Once convinced of this, they will never suspect that you may have ulterior motives

Original post: Bone_Dancer

Those are not laws that apply through ToS. Rather they are excerpted from "The 48 Laws of Power" , by Robert Greene. I do think composing one post to include those would have been sufficient. At the very least a link to a website where people could read all of the Laws for themselves would have been superior.
The 48 LoP

Original post: Darkwater

ty,saved me loads of hassle there.

Law 43

Work on the Hearts and Minds of Others

Coercion creates a reaction that will eventually work against you. You must seduce others into wanting to move in your direction. A person you have seduced becomes your loyal pawn. And the way to seduce others is to operate on their individual psychologies and weaknesses. Soften up the resistant by working on their emotions, playing on what they hold dear and what they fear. Ignore the hearts and minds of others and they will grow to hate you


law 43 reminds me of you.x

Original post: LadyHydralisk

I like Set. I don't like the Temple of Set. He's a good little brother though.

Original post: Bone_Dancer

LadyHydralisk;285620 wrote:I like Set. I don't like the Temple of Set. He's a good little brother though.

Funny, that's not how Horus see's it.

Original post: Ankh-Pentacle

Zarathustra;238299 wrote:Hello all. I am new to the forums and am interested in learning about the LHP insofar as it relates to the official Temple of Set. Are there any members of the ToS lurking on these forums who could share some of their experiences with me? Please do not direct me to their official web page or to Balanone's ToS info page as I am already familar with their contents. Thanks.

You could try getting in contact with the following people through there postal addresses or their laison person(s):



Ex Priest and Priestess in the Temple of Set, Nikolas and Zeena Schreck (even though the now run The Storm - they still practise the religion of Sethianism that is taught in the ToS)

• I know N & Z can be contacted directly through Sean, their laison person at schreckinfo@yahoo.co.uk

or



Michael Aquino with then-wife Lilith Sinclair (Twice High Priest of ToS now While Aquino remains an active member of the Temple of Set, he no longer holds any office within the organization)

I don't have a email address for the Aquinos.

Original post: Skeptismo118

I like the "then-wife" bit.

They're still married.

Also, if you want to go stealing pictures might as well use a decent one. The one the Tosser's New York boys keep on thier myspace page is a better choice.

Original post: Centrix

Why would you even give the advise to contact the Schrecks about the TOS when they have an obvious bias against it? If the individual asking for information is so lazy as to not be able to contact the executive body of the TOS directly and see for themselves through membership, don't bother with their question.

And the showing of the pictures is awkward in your post.

Original post: 1911

I'm not a fan of the TOS but if it ultimately serves the greater purpose (is a tool/stepping stone to bigger and better things for the individual to a degree) then so be it. I have the same feeling about the COS, I respect them and what they have done and try to do but I feel both have attempted to make what some call "it" an accepted, accessible and even "moral" idea and have made a buck off of it, I see the COS as nothing more than a pandering to white-light moralities under the guise of something different to offer the bored children something to do, but at least Lavey was honest in a roundabout way about this- that I can respect!

I think one of the best teachers of the true self is to voluntarily become homeless and live like that for however long it takes for you to feel satisfied that you have seen and learned what you can, it requires no dues, no fees, just you your mind and wherever you are. It's just one "ritual" but IMO a defining one to help cleanse one of the debilitating effects and subsequent music that birth-imposed realities have many moving their bodies to. I feel that the only way the true self can be learned and understood is through trial and error, it's not for everyone and it shouldn't be but as always, it's a constant learning process.

Original post: Skeptismo118

Centrix;287558 wrote:And the showing of the pictures is awkward in your post.

Pic-posts have been pretty much all this poster has been doing.

Much of it looks like it is cribbed from the "Zeena LaVey Fan Club" from Myspace, or similar.

Original post: blackadder

If you do not agree with M.Aquino's essay 'Black magic', there is not much point in joining. If your that way inclined it can be found on the net, if you know where to look;) Alternantly, S.Flowers 'Lords of the left hand path' covers TOS, also giving an overview of many other groups and individuals from the perspective of Aquino's take on the left hand path.

There are 'some' interesting people within TOS with something to teach, though there is a larger majority whom teach trash as truth, as part of the quest for the next grade:( - not good.

Group dynamics is pretty bad in my opinion, lots of obnoxious people, whom like to discuss themselves and/or how powerfull they are in the mundane world. Interesting, if you like people watching though.

Don't criticize or disrespect anyone of a higher grade, you are liable to get chucked out, whether you are in the wrong or not.

If you agree with Aquino's views and want to interact socially and magically within the dynamics join, though keep your eyes open and stay objective, it is easy to get sucked in.

If you agree with Aquino's views and do not like the darkside, don't join and just use the materials.

It is a cult of sorts, one only has to join and observe to see this. If you want to get on, it is not that difficult to pull the wool over the eyes of the many, you only have to stroke the right ego's and talk the lingo. If you want to leave it is not a problem, unless you criticize them publically, then they become very much like scientology.

That said, their dynamics do work, as TOS is the largest and longest standing overt left hand path organisation in the world. Therefore, it must have something going for it.

Blackadder

Original post: Centrix

Skeptismo118;287565 wrote:Pic-posts have been pretty much all this poster has been doing.

Much of it looks like it is cribbed from the "Zeena LaVey Fan Club" from Myspace, or similar.

He has an obsession with them obviously. The context of his post made little sense, and the information he posts are all plagiarized from different websites. I thought he was just giving a short history about them in the beginning.

Original post: Azerate218

[QUOTE=Skeptismo118;287565]Pic-posts have been pretty much all this poster has been doing.

Much of it looks like it is cribbed from the "Zeena LaVey Fan Club" from Myspace, or similar.[/QUOTE]

As Miss Cleo would say "Ooooohhhh my goodness!"

Original post: Obsidian

Some folks will give you the common denominators of their philosophy and then expand from there. This makes for easier comprehension in a short amount of time. The ToS does the opposite and starts off with more words than application causing the member to feel as though he/she must "live up" to ToS standards.

By the time the individual cuts through all the "complex" mystical language and has spent a few years as a member performing rituals, I would hope that he/she has realized that they could have done the same thing, without the need for a group or paying membership dues, by simply acquiring a few books on different forms of practical magic.

Basically, Aquino had made a mountain out of a molehill. This is not to say that Setian magic cannot work, it's just that I don't see the need to add so much dressing when it is obvious, at least to me, that it doesn't need to be that way. The ToS is made for those who subconsciously desire mind-clutter. That's not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but it sure as hell isn't my cup of tea. I like to keep things simple.

There are some very common themes that run throughout all of the magical texts I have read and it surprises me when I see people who have been involved with the occult for "so many years" and have not caught on to these fundamental principles.

So if you want all of the drama, bells, and whistles, the ToS may be for you. If you want a healthy helping of serious magical substance, read books that can be applied to real life situations and pay attention to how it all works.