Original post: HighJohntheConjuror
Varg seems like he knows his history in some way or another, but I'm afraid his "myself against the world" approach towards the definition of Paganism is completely pointless. No one is going to take a homicidal arsonist seriously, especially the people he seems to be appealing to. It seems as though he wants to educate people, but the only problem is that even European Paganism was constantly changing... not just chronologically, but also geologically. One god did one thing in village A and 10 miles away the same god was attributed to something entirely different. I don't disagree with all of what he said, and I even find some of his stuff to be rather enlightening, but Varg should work on his music instead of campaigning for his own personal Pagan ideations. The last thing Pagans under ANY definition of the word need is a Pagan fundamentalist. I'm not saying I want to be thought of as a dope smokin' hippie because of the faith I identify with, but there are stoners in every faith. Personally I dislike hippies for the most part, and I can identify with him on that issue. What I don't agree with is his violent opposition towards people who have not directly harmed him. I'm tolerant of other people's beliefs, but if their faith leads them to believe they must harm all who do not believe as they do, then I believe that person should be apprehended and reformed or destroyed. What I'm saying is that if your particular faith compels you to harm me, then you can count on becoming a martyr for your beliefs. Perhaps that's what happened with Varg, but I'm doubting that was the case.... Personal assumption that may be completely invalid. Maybe Varg should spend his time in jail reflecting on what the hell got him in there in the first place. Just a suggestion...
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[QUOTE=messiah of sin;259123]he's in prison for murder and arson. the murder was for killing a pussy that was trying to kill him. the arson was for burning churches, and i appluad that cause christianity is the enemy, they have been oppressing us, and i mean all occultists not just satanists, as long as they've
been around.[/quote]
Varg is perhaps one of the very few brave individuals within pagan metal scene who had the balls to stand up for his beliefs. He made a powerful statement with his actions and that was great. Imagine If every black metal fan did what he did, instead of smoking dope and jacking off to cradle of crap cd's.
[QUOTE=messiah of sin;259123]he's in prison for murder and arson. the murder was for killing a pussy that was trying to kill him. the arson was for burning churches, and i appluad that cause christianity is the enemy, they have been oppressing us, and i mean all occultists not just satanists, as long as they've
been around.[/quote]
Varg is perhaps one of the very few brave individuals within pagan metal scene who had the balls to stand up for his beliefs. He made a powerful statement with his actions and that was great. Imagine If every black metal fan did what he did, instead of smoking dope and jacking off to cradle of crap cd's.
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[QUOTE=eradark;300871]Varg is perhaps one of the very few brave individuals within pagan metal scene who had the balls to stand up for his beliefs. He made a powerful statement with his actions and that was great. Imagine If every black metal fan did what he did, instead of smoking dope and jacking off to cradle of crap cd's.[/QUOTE]
This comments absurdity speaks for itself. Your opinion is your own of course, but i feel our discussions in the past Eradark, have only shown that, your values are weighted towards national socialism, outright racism and restriction on freedom of belief. Would it be acceptable for me to come round your house and burn it down because you were a josser, and i dont share your views?No!Burning down places of worship shows a complete lack of education, an all brawn no brain way of trying to win an arguement, because the intelligence required to verbalise a decent arguement is lacking.
Varg is NOT a pagan, his views and actions do not reflect the most basic tenants of paganism. He is a bigot, a racist and based on his actions, a highly self centred un-educated man.
Oh and as for COF, yes they may be a tad comercial now, and Danni...well Danni is just Danni. But in any interviews you read of Mr.Filth's, he quite openly admits that the occult influence in Cradle's music doesnt reflect the belifes of the band members, he is not a satanist despite his use of satanic symbology, but atleast he is honest and knows what he is talking about, rather than a liar like Varg, who plasters Pagan around the place to create a name for himself, when his actions show a complete ignorance to what paganism is, and therefore creating a bad name for real pagans.
[QUOTE=eradark;300871]Varg is perhaps one of the very few brave individuals within pagan metal scene who had the balls to stand up for his beliefs. He made a powerful statement with his actions and that was great. Imagine If every black metal fan did what he did, instead of smoking dope and jacking off to cradle of crap cd's.[/QUOTE]
This comments absurdity speaks for itself. Your opinion is your own of course, but i feel our discussions in the past Eradark, have only shown that, your values are weighted towards national socialism, outright racism and restriction on freedom of belief. Would it be acceptable for me to come round your house and burn it down because you were a josser, and i dont share your views?No!Burning down places of worship shows a complete lack of education, an all brawn no brain way of trying to win an arguement, because the intelligence required to verbalise a decent arguement is lacking.
Varg is NOT a pagan, his views and actions do not reflect the most basic tenants of paganism. He is a bigot, a racist and based on his actions, a highly self centred un-educated man.
Oh and as for COF, yes they may be a tad comercial now, and Danni...well Danni is just Danni. But in any interviews you read of Mr.Filth's, he quite openly admits that the occult influence in Cradle's music doesnt reflect the belifes of the band members, he is not a satanist despite his use of satanic symbology, but atleast he is honest and knows what he is talking about, rather than a liar like Varg, who plasters Pagan around the place to create a name for himself, when his actions show a complete ignorance to what paganism is, and therefore creating a bad name for real pagans.
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Original post: Lethargy
From a "A Burzum Story: Part I - The Origin and Meaning" on http://www.burzum.org/Venefica;260966 wrote:Where do you have this information from? I do not mean to be offensive or to say it can not be so, but how do you know?
Peronally I have never listened to Burzum, it is not my type of music so I would not know. But why put a spell on your fans, I mean as an artist that is what put bread on your table, fans buying your music.
Varg Vikernes wrote:As people involved with magic already know, magic is all about imagination, symbolism, visualization and willpower. If You imagine a thing happening in Your head, You will make it happen - that is if Your willpower is strong enough, or if You possess enough "spiritual power". If an object symbolizes a certain power, it becomes that power. That is why our forefathers carved runes into rocks and pieces of wood, because the runes symbolized certain powers. That is why winter and summer solstice and the equinoxes are so important, because they symbolize special events, that are described in our mythology. That is why we originally began to wear jewellery, because the different metals or stones symbolized different powers in the universe.
Burzum was supposed to be such a symbol. Burzum was an attempt to create (or "recreate" if You like) an imaginary past, a world of fantasy - that in turn was based on our Pagan past. Burzum in itself was a spell. The songs were spells and the albums were arranged in a special way, to make the spells work. Burzum was not intended for live-shows, but instead it was supposed to be listened to in the evening, when the sunbeams couldn't vaporize the power of the magic, and when the listener was alone - preferably in his or her bed, going to sleep. The two first albums are made for the LP format, meaning each side as a spell, so they don't work on CD unless you program the CD-player to only play the tracks of one side of the LP at the time. The later albums were created for CD, so they don't work as well on LP. The first track was supposed to calm down or rather "prepare" the listener, and make him or her more "susceptible" to the magic, the next song or songs were supposed to exhaust the listener and put him or her in a trancelike state of mind, and last track should "calm down" the listener and carry him or her into the "world of fantasy" - when he or she fell asleep. That was the spell, the magic that would make the imaginary past, the world of fantasy, real (in the mind of the listener). If You take a look at the Burzum albums and how they are built up You will see what I mean. The last track of the "spell" (LP side or CD) is always a calm (often synthesizer) track. Whether this works or not is of course another question, but that was the idea anyhow.
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Original post: shadow flame
well, i don't like that. many people think occultists are delusional, and since burzum is becoming more and more "commercial" (more and more angry kids are drawn to it) people will read that, and it will reinforce their conclusions about sanity of occultists. i can already hear people saying: "so they just imagine something and believe it will take place? and they believe they have sort of "spiritual power". sounds pretty crazy to me"
besides, they didn't say what was spell programmed for :eh:
well, i don't like that. many people think occultists are delusional, and since burzum is becoming more and more "commercial" (more and more angry kids are drawn to it) people will read that, and it will reinforce their conclusions about sanity of occultists. i can already hear people saying: "so they just imagine something and believe it will take place? and they believe they have sort of "spiritual power". sounds pretty crazy to me"
besides, they didn't say what was spell programmed for :eh:
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Original post: eradark
Yes it would if you were a christian but of course you have no balls to do such thing regardless of who you are. Burning a few churches is a mild comparison to what the Christians did to pagans. Lack of education? No, you show lack of education. Get off your high horse and read history. I see Varg's action as symbolic. The churches were rebuilt right after but his actions did awaken the pagan spirit in thousands of people across the world. Action speaks louder than words buddy. Who am I to argue with, an armchair laveyan, pretentious satanist on the interent.
How is he Varg a liar? How do his actions show ignorance of paganism? How does an action of one man speak for the entire pagan community?
Frankly, comparing the two individuals is unfair. Varg is head and shoulders above some faggot screaming bullshit and selling cd's with condoms. Your black metal is as brainless as your occultism.
Let's get this straight, I have never advocated or sympathized with racism or national socialism. So what the fuck are you talking about? Go dig up any of my posts that states otherwise, hypocrite.hendo555666;301683 wrote:This comments absurdity speaks for itself. Your opinion is your own of course, but i feel our discussions in the past Eradark, have only shown that, your values are weighted towards national socialism, outright racism and restriction on freedom of belief.
Would it be acceptable for me to come round your house and burn it down because you were a josser, and i dont share your views?No!Burning down places of worship shows a complete lack of education, an all brawn no brain way of trying to win an arguement, because the intelligence required to verbalise a decent arguement is lacking.
Yes it would if you were a christian but of course you have no balls to do such thing regardless of who you are. Burning a few churches is a mild comparison to what the Christians did to pagans. Lack of education? No, you show lack of education. Get off your high horse and read history. I see Varg's action as symbolic. The churches were rebuilt right after but his actions did awaken the pagan spirit in thousands of people across the world. Action speaks louder than words buddy. Who am I to argue with, an armchair laveyan, pretentious satanist on the interent.
And that is coming from a nobody who calls everyone he disagrees with bigot and racist. Nice try jew.Varg is NOT a pagan, his views and actions do not reflect the most basic tenants of paganism. He is a bigot, a racist and based on his actions, a highly self centred un-educated man.
Tell me how one can be honest by promoting their music and work under satanistm, using the symbols, etc.. yet having completely different beliefs? That's not honesty, it's misleading and cashing in on a trend.Cradle's music doesnt reflect the belifes of the band members, he is not a satanist despite his use of satanic symbology, but atleast he is honest and knows what he is talking about rather than a liar like Varg, who plasters Pagan around the place to create a name for himself, when his actions show a complete ignorance to what paganism is, and therefore creating a bad name for real pagans.
How is he Varg a liar? How do his actions show ignorance of paganism? How does an action of one man speak for the entire pagan community?
Frankly, comparing the two individuals is unfair. Varg is head and shoulders above some faggot screaming bullshit and selling cd's with condoms. Your black metal is as brainless as your occultism.
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Original post: nogodsnomasters
Fuck yeah black metal.
I contributed a highly valuable comment to this discussion.
whoo burzum.
Fuck yeah black metal.
I contributed a highly valuable comment to this discussion.
whoo burzum.
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Original post: Odin
[QUOTE=nogodsnomasters;304831]Fuck yeah black metal.
I contributed a highly valuable comment to this discussion.
whoo burzum.[/QUOTE]
Seconded! :p
[QUOTE=nogodsnomasters;304831]Fuck yeah black metal.
I contributed a highly valuable comment to this discussion.
whoo burzum.[/QUOTE]
Seconded! :p
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Original post: shadow flame
eradark
ah yes, that's what we really need, bunch of black metal pagans running around torching churches. you know that this will only give rallying goal to christians, and then pagans that are innocent of that will get hurt because of religious intolerance. if varg and his like want to die bravely torching and death growling he can, but why drag other pagans with him?
eradark
ah yes, that's what we really need, bunch of black metal pagans running around torching churches. you know that this will only give rallying goal to christians, and then pagans that are innocent of that will get hurt because of religious intolerance. if varg and his like want to die bravely torching and death growling he can, but why drag other pagans with him?
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Original post: doh
Chill folks.
Chill folks.
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Original post: ulawsxil
I heard stories about this guy,makes good music.
Could somebody tell me the name of the band he was part of before he was jailed.
peace
I heard stories about this guy,makes good music.
Could somebody tell me the name of the band he was part of before he was jailed.
peace
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Original post: frater luciferi
mr vikernes was in a band called mayhem....which was ok but i think that darkthrone is/was way better.ulawsxil;307106 wrote:I heard stories about this guy,makes good music.
Could somebody tell me the name of the band he was part of before he was jailed.
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Original post: Odin
[QUOTE=ulawsxil;307106]I heard stories about this guy,makes good music.
Could somebody tell me the name of the band he was part of before he was jailed.
peace[/QUOTE]
He played bass on the first Mayhem album, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.
His main project was his black metal one-man band called Burzum.
Burzum still exists but he's not allowed guitars and the like in prison so the music is now weird ambient stuff. The first few albums were done before he went to jail, so check them out.
[QUOTE=ulawsxil;307106]I heard stories about this guy,makes good music.
Could somebody tell me the name of the band he was part of before he was jailed.
peace[/QUOTE]
He played bass on the first Mayhem album, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.
His main project was his black metal one-man band called Burzum.
Burzum still exists but he's not allowed guitars and the like in prison so the music is now weird ambient stuff. The first few albums were done before he went to jail, so check them out.
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
Why not? Could use the strings for a garrote?
he's not allowed guitars and the like in prison so the music is now weird ambient stuff. The first few albums were done before he went to jail, so check them out.
Why not? Could use the strings for a garrote?
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Original post: frater luciferi
thats funny...charles manson has three guitars in his cell. of course i guess that probably american prisons have a lot more tattooing going on then the norwegian ones if norway doesnt allow inmates to have guitars/strings.Anathema_Oracle;307513 wrote:Why not? Could use the strings for a garrote?
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Original post: hendo555666
Mr Eradark, your arguement says it all, i have no reason to even attempt a retort, your comments on the JOS thread will suffice to anyone interested in your personality, and your throwing of words, labeling me a Jew, says it all.
And yes i will get on my high horse and tell someone when i beleive what they are saying is religiously intolerant on this forum, because it doesnt need it, and it doesnt need racists making other people feel uneasy.
And another thing, i am NOT a satanist, and certainly not a Laveyan, glad i can clear that misconception up.
Mr Eradark, your arguement says it all, i have no reason to even attempt a retort, your comments on the JOS thread will suffice to anyone interested in your personality, and your throwing of words, labeling me a Jew, says it all.
And yes i will get on my high horse and tell someone when i beleive what they are saying is religiously intolerant on this forum, because it doesnt need it, and it doesnt need racists making other people feel uneasy.
And another thing, i am NOT a satanist, and certainly not a Laveyan, glad i can clear that misconception up.
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Original post: ulawsxil
Many thanks for the info people
Many thanks for the info people
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Original post: Odin
[QUOTE=frater luciferi;307674]thats funny...charles manson has three guitars in his cell. of course i guess that probably american prisons have a lot more tattooing going on then the norwegian ones if norway doesnt allow inmates to have guitars/strings.[/QUOTE]
Varg's in a really high security, strict prison now because when he got let out on parole they found him in a stolen car full of weapons. Nutter, eh?
[QUOTE=frater luciferi;307674]thats funny...charles manson has three guitars in his cell. of course i guess that probably american prisons have a lot more tattooing going on then the norwegian ones if norway doesnt allow inmates to have guitars/strings.[/QUOTE]
Varg's in a really high security, strict prison now because when he got let out on parole they found him in a stolen car full of weapons. Nutter, eh?
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Original post: eradark
It's funny that now you're not a satanist but just a few months ago you were so eagerly arguing over satanism to the point of flat out bashing other forms of satanism except Laveyan, just to steer up shit and take up other people's time. Posing as someone you're clearly not is an act of a hypocrite and a disguised troll.
Neither do I want to read anymore of your whining idiocy, why not do the forums a favor; shutup and get lost altogether.hendo555666;307768 wrote:Mr Eradark, your arguement says it all, i have no reason to even attempt a retort, your comments on the JOS thread will suffice to anyone interested in your personality, and your throwing of words, labeling me a Jew, says it all.
Get a donkey, jackass.And yes i will get on my high horse and tell someone when i beleive what they are saying is religiously intolerant on this forum, because it doesnt need it, and it doesnt need racists making other people feel uneasy.
And another thing, i am NOT a satanist, and certainly not a Laveyan, glad i can clear that misconception up.
It's funny that now you're not a satanist but just a few months ago you were so eagerly arguing over satanism to the point of flat out bashing other forms of satanism except Laveyan, just to steer up shit and take up other people's time. Posing as someone you're clearly not is an act of a hypocrite and a disguised troll.
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Original post: hendo555666
Ah, the old josser cant win an arguement with a rational intelligent layout, so he throws more insults. I think you will find the person who argued, nae, made a complete laughing stock off you, was satanic one, he was the laveyan. And yes, a few months back i was leaning towards satanism(although i would have said theistic not laveyan), but people mature and so do their belifes(well most people:D)
Satanists, thelemites, pagans etc. arent the only ones who use this site, there are christians, muslims and even your old favorites the jews, so what right do you have to attack them for their belifes.
Edit: Oh how i rubbed my hands in glee when i found this little statement from you herman....eh i mean eradark:
Just another occult forums retard resorting to insults and name calling because he can't manage to get his point across in a civil way. You're not worthy of my time, loser.
Ha!ha!Who's the hypocrite here!What an idiot, and attacking a mod too!!:D
Ah, the old josser cant win an arguement with a rational intelligent layout, so he throws more insults. I think you will find the person who argued, nae, made a complete laughing stock off you, was satanic one, he was the laveyan. And yes, a few months back i was leaning towards satanism(although i would have said theistic not laveyan), but people mature and so do their belifes(well most people:D)
Satanists, thelemites, pagans etc. arent the only ones who use this site, there are christians, muslims and even your old favorites the jews, so what right do you have to attack them for their belifes.
Edit: Oh how i rubbed my hands in glee when i found this little statement from you herman....eh i mean eradark:
Just another occult forums retard resorting to insults and name calling because he can't manage to get his point across in a civil way. You're not worthy of my time, loser.
Ha!ha!Who's the hypocrite here!What an idiot, and attacking a mod too!!:D
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Original post: doh
[QUOTE=eradark;308234]Get a donkey, jackass.
[/QUOTE]Now there's an interesting thought. Perhaps a new charity event. "Jackasses for Jackasses".
Regardless, eradark, if you cannot behave in a civilized fashion without resorting to name calling, you will need to find another haunt. I'm issuing you a warning. I believe it is your second. One more and you will be banned.
[QUOTE=eradark;308234]Get a donkey, jackass.
[/QUOTE]Now there's an interesting thought. Perhaps a new charity event. "Jackasses for Jackasses".
Regardless, eradark, if you cannot behave in a civilized fashion without resorting to name calling, you will need to find another haunt. I'm issuing you a warning. I believe it is your second. One more and you will be banned.
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Original post: LVXocculto
[QUOTE=Odin;308084]Varg's in a really high security, strict prison now because when he got let out on parole they found him in a stolen car full of weapons. Nutter, eh?[/QUOTE]
he did have guitars in jail until he tried to strangle a guard with a string. When he escaped he was caught with full cammo gear, guns, a GPS and more crazy shit trying to get across the border into sweden. Dude is whacked, but some of his music is ok. The racism....not so ok.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJuu-krcrY
[QUOTE=Odin;308084]Varg's in a really high security, strict prison now because when he got let out on parole they found him in a stolen car full of weapons. Nutter, eh?[/QUOTE]
he did have guitars in jail until he tried to strangle a guard with a string. When he escaped he was caught with full cammo gear, guns, a GPS and more crazy shit trying to get across the border into sweden. Dude is whacked, but some of his music is ok. The racism....not so ok.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJuu-krcrY
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Original post: Odin
[QUOTE=LVXocculto;308303]he did have guitars in jail until he tried to strangle a guard with a string. When he escaped he was caught with full cammo gear, guns, a GPS and more crazy shit trying to get across the border into sweden. Dude is whacked, but some of his music is ok. The racism....not so ok.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJuu-krcrY[/QUOTE]
Wow, I had no idea about him strangling a guard
Where'd you find that out?
He really does seem to have issues, makes you wonder if when he does get released he'll just end up doing something crazy and ending up right back in there again.
[QUOTE=LVXocculto;308303]he did have guitars in jail until he tried to strangle a guard with a string. When he escaped he was caught with full cammo gear, guns, a GPS and more crazy shit trying to get across the border into sweden. Dude is whacked, but some of his music is ok. The racism....not so ok.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJuu-krcrY[/QUOTE]
Wow, I had no idea about him strangling a guard
Where'd you find that out?He really does seem to have issues, makes you wonder if when he does get released he'll just end up doing something crazy and ending up right back in there again.
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Original post: Malamatiyya
[QUOTE=LVXocculto;308303]he did have guitars in jail until he tried to strangle a guard with a string.[/QUOTE]
He did not attempt to strangle any guards. If he had done that he would have been prosecuted for attempted murder. Whatever your source is that's completely bs.
[QUOTE=LVXocculto;308303]he did have guitars in jail until he tried to strangle a guard with a string.[/QUOTE]
He did not attempt to strangle any guards. If he had done that he would have been prosecuted for attempted murder. Whatever your source is that's completely bs.
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Original post: Odin
[QUOTE=Malamatiyya;308329]He did not attempt to strangle any guards. If he had done that he would have been prosecuted for attempted murder. Whatever your source is that's completely bs.[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought :p
By the way, anyone interested should watch this Norweigen documentary on the church arsons, murder, and how the media gave Varg his image and accidentally got him a following, Satan Rides the Media:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeEGsRs7CAI
You can find the other parts easy enough by clicking around.
[QUOTE=Malamatiyya;308329]He did not attempt to strangle any guards. If he had done that he would have been prosecuted for attempted murder. Whatever your source is that's completely bs.[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought :p
By the way, anyone interested should watch this Norweigen documentary on the church arsons, murder, and how the media gave Varg his image and accidentally got him a following, Satan Rides the Media:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeEGsRs7CAI
You can find the other parts easy enough by clicking around.