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Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Hi,

I'm interested in learning from members what exercises and dietary regimes they may or may not do and how this benefits them generally, and in spiritual as well as occult ways.

I've begun doing some exercise including a bit of yoga as well as cardio and weight training, but not at a proper gym yet!

So, come on, give the forum your fitness regime, tips and hints on how to get a healthier body and mind !

Original post: Naomi Chan

I do bellydancing and industrial mosh style dancing. Spiritually - well I know the god Lord Wai Kahan, the supreme ocean dragon loves it, it's his basic requirement for girlfriends.

Also I take herbal supplements (including coffee), have taken to chewing on grass and weeds in my yard recently and drink lots of water. I also do lots of tantric sexual activity and if that includes people I use fo-ti and don quai for my own style of pregnancy protection.

Sometimes I eat pastries and pizza too, im not real picky. I'd chew the face off of a health nut or a vegan before I'd look at them.

Magickally it just depends on the operation.

Original post: Diabolica

I love to stomp around to industrial music, too, so I probably do that for about 2-3 hours a week. I also walk/jog with my mom's dog 4-5 times a week, and I do some muscle strengthening exercises like lunges and squats every day. I'd love to be able to do situps or crunches but my lower back is messed up because of a car accident about 12 years ago. I'd also love to start doing some yoga, I think that I'd really enjoy it.

As for diet, I don't believe in not eating certain things, just eating things in moderation. I recently lost about 20 lbs. just by cutting out almost all soda and alcohol from my diet. I cook a few times a week, usually fairly healthy stuff like chicken and rice, and the rest of the time I eat TV dinners, lol. I also try to drink a lot of water, because I have kidney stones, and I've been making a real effort to eat more fruits and vegetables.

I feel a lot better overall since giving up my pizza/beer/soda lifestyle, so I'm sure that's having an impact on other areas of my life, like my occult studies. This is also the first time in my life that I've actually tried to do some physical activity on a regular basis - I've noticed that it has improved my meditation a lot.

Original post: Venefica

I do belly dancing, pilates and is going to start some material arts and perhaps some yoga. My diet is a normal diet but whit a little sugar and fat as possible. I have been on it for a month now due to me being grossly overweight. I was at the doctor to day for a follow up and I have lost weight so I am on my way down.

Original post: Skeptismo118

http://www.crossfit.com

http://www.drweil.com

and I like getting punched in the thoat.

Original post: Rin Daemoko

Hatha yoga almost every day.

I drink a lot of water, and by a lot I mean that most of my daily intake of fluid is in the form of water rather than coffee, juice, milk, et cetera. I just prefer the simplicity of it.

Original post: Arayus

My diet is anything that doesn't have wheat in it. I dropped forty pounds and sleep half as much as I used to. My energy level is way beyond anything I could have comprehended and I see things with much more clarity, but its the kind of diet that only works for 1-5 people out of 100.

The obvious effect of eliminating wheat is the exclusion of all processed foods, but the primary reason is to eliminate phyto-steroids and opiates (soy is bad about this too so I try to limit that significantly). But the wheat thing is a deal-breaker. Somewhere along the way my immune system decided it is an invader so a single molecule will leave me feeling like I caught the flu for a half week.

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Arayus;256654 wrote:My diet is anything that doesn't have wheat in it. I dropped forty pounds and sleep half as much as I used to. My energy level is way beyond anything I could have comprehended and I see things with much more clarity, but its the kind of diet that only works for 1-5 people out of 100.

The obvious effect of eliminating wheat is the exclusion of all processed foods, but the primary reason is to eliminate phyto-steroids and opiates (soy is bad about this too so I try to limit that significantly). But the wheat thing is a deal-breaker. Somewhere along the way my immune system decided it is an invader so a single molecule will leave me feeling like I caught the flu for a half week.

So not just processed white bread but all types of wheat based foods? Wow, that'd be hard, what about other grains etc? Is it to do with coeliac's disease (sp?).

What do you do for alternative carbohydrates?

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Rin Daemoko;256638 wrote:Hatha yoga almost every day.

I drink a lot of water, and by a lot I mean that most of my daily intake of fluid is in the form of water rather than coffee, juice, milk, et cetera. I just prefer the simplicity of it.

Serious question, how do you avoid and prevent injury doing Yoga? I can see myself doing myself a great injury if I'm not careful.

What did you feel like before you were on your water regime? I know I get weird effects from caffeine and sugar, but I like coffee with one sugar lol.

What do you do for calcium etc in your diet if you avoid milk. I try and drink a fair amount of green tea, though this has the caffeine content as well and I drink a hell of a lot of water too, but I'm concerned about how much is good for me as I dont want to damage my kidneys.

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Also anyone who is doing weight training, can you post some tips on the most effective strength and muscle building exercises coupled with what to eat with that exercise, when, how much etc, thanks!

Original post: BeautifulEvil

The only part of my body I exercise are my fingers (from typing you know). Otherwise, I'm virtually still for the entire day. I really would like to learn various martial art techniques, but unfortunately I don't have the motivation. This probably revolves around the lack of proper diet?

Diet you say? Absolutely none, I eat some of the worst food you can imagine. My staple consists of Mountain Dew, Dr. Pepper, McDonald's, Jack in The Box, Pizza Hut, and a poisonous amount of sweets.

Honestly, I'm not sure how I'm still alive?

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

BeautifulEvil;256679 wrote:The only part of my body I exercise are my fingers (from typing you know). Otherwise, I'm virtually still for the entire day. I really would like to learn various martial art techniques, but unfortunately I don't have the motivation. This probably revolves around the lack of proper diet?

Diet you say? Absolutely none, I eat some of the worst food you can imagine. My staple consists of Mountain Dew, Dr. Pepper, McDonald's, Jack in The Box, Pizza Hut, and a poisonous amount of sweets.

Honestly, I'm not sure how I'm still alive?

LOL! At least your body will be like "woooo sugar, arrr fat, hmmm presevative 101 I am not afraid of you, look how i destroy you heartily, you weak little processed foods!!

I used to eat so much (still do but not as great amount) of unhealthy stuff and smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and up until recently was drinking heavily 3-4 times a week and I think it was having a negative mental and physical effect. I never really put on weight which is good, but I'd like to be healthy and stronger.

I've noticed even a moderate increase in exercise, breathing and healthier foods has improved my clarity of thinking and even tempered my often anxious and moody mindset somewhat. Might be a placebo effect of doing something proactive, dunno?

Original post: BeautifulEvil

I used to eat so much (still do but not as great amount) of unhealthy stuff and smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and up until recently was drinking heavily 3-4 times a week and I think it was having a negative mental and physical effect. I never really put on weight which is good, but I'd like to be healthy and stronger.

Haha, it's funny you mention that because I weight like 110 pounds and I'm 5'11" (which classifies me as super skinny). I guess it's because I have a super high metabolism, either that or I'm some sort of alien that lives off sugar and fast food.

Who really knows eh, because I sure don't!

I've noticed even a moderate increase in exercise, breathing and healthier foods has improved my clarity of thinking and even tempered my often anxious and moody mindset somewhat. Might be a placebo effect of doing something proactive, dunno?

I plan on doing a two week fast of rice and water to cleanse my system of all the unhealthy yucky built up stuff and then starting a strict diet and exercise program. I wonder how I'll feel after all this? Maybe I'll spontaneously combust, or gain some super human abilities from proper diet and exercise.

Original post: lunukaos

I'm training for mixed martial arts, so I do submission grappling, muay thai kickboxing, powerlifting (not bodybuilding) plyometics, etc. I train two hours a day, 5-6 days a week.
On off days or vacations, I blacksmith, build bonfires, do SCA style combat.
As far as diet goes, I eat 350-450 calories per meal, 5-7 meals a day. Magically, I have developed a type of biosorcery that is my primary paradigm.

Original post: Arayus

Anathema_Oracle;256675 wrote:So not just processed white bread but all types of wheat based foods? Wow, that'd be hard, what about other grains etc? Is it to do with coeliac's disease (sp?).

What do you do for alternative carbohydrates?

Hard to say if its exactly Celiac since the doctors in the states are terrible at finding it. It seems to be since rye and barley affect me too. Whole grains in this situation would be even worse because it has more of the psychoactive chemicals and more chemical defenses against being consumed (Whole wheat includes seed/endosperm components) I think leaky gut is involved because I can get pretty "high" off wheat pretty quickly. The testosterone/estrogen kinda kill off the opium buzz and throw my body into confusion though, so its not exactly fun nor does it completely negate the associated pain...

Potatos, rice, milk sugar, green vegetables, these are all packed full of carbs and probably better than wheat anyway. But a LOT of people can't tolerate milk so I'm lucky in that regard. It is tough because wheat carbs are the readily available ones and the convenient ones. As far as I can tell in my research, the only value of wheat and soy to society is ease of cultivation. They're an attractive lure for vegetarians who need protein, but the protein is loaded with not-quite-human hormones and other dangerous chemicals. Then again, the meat supply is full of crud like that too nowadays.

I was not in a good way so I took the advice from my girlfriend's dream. I guess I was already open to the idea because of an intoxicated conversation I had with a fungus. Sort of a weird way to self-diagnose but hey, works for me.

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Arayus;256806 wrote:
I was not in a good way so I took the advice from my girlfriend's dream. I guess I was already open to the idea because of an intoxicated conversation I had with a fungus. Sort of a weird way to self-diagnose but hey, works for me.

Don't trust mushrooms they eat shit and are kept in the dark.

On a serious note, I never considered grains to have such adverse affects on people, I might experiment with cutting them back and see how that goes on my physical and mental state, thanks for the tip!

Original post: lunukaos

Strength Training ( Three day split)
Do five sets of five repetitions, increasing the weight each set. For example, if you can deadlift 300 lbs one time, do it like this:
set 1: 135 x 5
set 2: 185 x 5
set 3: 225 x 5
set 4: 255 x 5
Set 5: 275 x 5

This setup allows for maximum strength gains in a minimum time. I, for example, went from a 415 lbs deadlift to a 475 lbs deadlift in about 4 weeks.

Day one:
Deadlift 5 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Glu ... dlift.html

Good Mornings: 3 x5 http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Glu ... rning.html

Bent over Rows: 3 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Bac ... erRow.html

Day Two:
Push Press: 5 x 5
http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos/ohpress.wmv

Bench Press 3 x 5 http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Pec ... Press.html

Dips or pushups.

Day Three:
Squat: 5 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Qua ... Squat.html

Front or Zercher Squat : 3 x 5
http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos/frontsquat.mpg

anything else you want work (biceps, etc) that don't figure into increasing overall strength.

Original post: hendo555666

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Original post: Anathema_Oracle

lunukaos;256846 wrote:Strength Training ( Three day split)
Do five sets of five repetitions, increasing the weight each set. For example, if you can deadlift 300 lbs one time, do it like this:
set 1: 135 x 5
set 2: 185 x 5
set 3: 225 x 5
set 4: 255 x 5
Set 5: 275 x 5

This setup allows for maximum strength gains in a minimum time. I, for example, went from a 415 lbs deadlift to a 475 lbs deadlift in about 4 weeks.

Day one:
Deadlift 5 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Glu ... dlift.html

Good Mornings: 3 x5 http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Glu ... rning.html

Bent over Rows: 3 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Bac ... erRow.html

Day Two:
Push Press: 5 x 5
http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos/ohpress.wmv

Bench Press 3 x 5 http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Pec ... Press.html

Dips or pushups.

Day Three:
Squat: 5 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Qua ... Squat.html

Front or Zercher Squat : 3 x 5
http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos/frontsquat.mpg

anything else you want work (biceps, etc) that don't figure into increasing overall strength.

Thanks very much for the tips and advice I'll be utilizing them!

As for your examples of lifting 300pounds that would be like double my body weight so it'll be some time before im getting up to that type of weight!!!!

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

lunukaos;256846 wrote:Strength Training ( Three day split)
Do five sets of five repetitions, increasing the weight each set. For example, if you can deadlift 300 lbs one time, do it like this:
set 1: 135 x 5
set 2: 185 x 5
set 3: 225 x 5
set 4: 255 x 5
Set 5: 275 x 5

This setup allows for maximum strength gains in a minimum time. I, for example, went from a 415 lbs deadlift to a 475 lbs deadlift in about 4 weeks.

Day one:
Deadlift 5 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Glu ... dlift.html

Good Mornings: 3 x5 http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Glu ... rning.html

Bent over Rows: 3 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Bac ... erRow.html

Day Two:
Push Press: 5 x 5
http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos/ohpress.wmv

Bench Press 3 x 5 http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Pec ... Press.html

Dips or pushups.

Day Three:
Squat: 5 x 5
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Qua ... Squat.html

Front or Zercher Squat : 3 x 5
http://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos/frontsquat.mpg

anything else you want work (biceps, etc) that don't figure into increasing overall strength.

Thanks very much for the tips and advice I'll be utilizing them!

As for your examples of lifting 300pounds that would be like double my body weight so it'll be some time before im getting up to that type of weight!!!!

What would you recommend for diet after exercise of this type?

Original post: Dunhill

Over the course of a year my wife lost about 100 lbs. It wasn't so much a diet/exercise as a radical lifestyle change. She cut down severly on drinking (AA will to that to you), cut down on Diet Coke (very difficult but 2L a day is too much) and coffee (sleeping better and her colon thanks ehr), walked a mile or so 5 times a week with some light weights upon occasion and just not eating until stuffed. She also only weighed herself every two weeks so as not to be overly concerned.

[QUOTE=Anathema_Oracle]What do you do for calcium etc in your diet if you avoid milk. I try and drink a fair amount of green tea, though this has the caffeine content as well and I drink a hell of a lot of water too, but I'm concerned about how much is good for me as I dont want to damage my kidneys.[/QUOTE]

I have found green tea stimulants is much harsher that coffee/pop. I can drink 2L of Mountain Dew and be fine but 4 green teas (had ginseing in it as well which probably didn't help) and my head is buzzing. For a simple way of decaffeinating tea, let it steep for about 30 seconds, dump that out then resteep. This will remove about 90% or so of the caffeine in the tea.

Original post: Rin Daemoko

[QUOTE=Anathema_Oracle;256677]Serious question, how do you avoid and prevent injury doing Yoga? I can see myself doing myself a great injury if I'm not careful.[/QUOTE]
You just have to be attentive. If your body starts to go "ow, I don't like that" then you ease off. Yoga of the kind that I practice (I'm not sure about other forms) is never supposed to be painful, so if you feel pain then you should stop and do something else.

[QUOTE=Anathema_Oracle;256677]What did you feel like before you were on your water regime? I know I get weird effects from caffeine and sugar, but I like coffee with one sugar lol.[/QUOTE]
Like I was living in a low-budge B-movie that had no hope in hell of ever gathering a cult following. My head was, more or less, swimming all the time.

Now I haven't given up milk, coffee and sugar altogether, but now that I drink less of it and more water, the effect that coffee and sugar seem to have on me is that much more obvious (probably through contrast). I also still crave for a glass of milk ever now and then and I don't deny myself. I just find myself preferring water over other beverages for some reason.

I also get headaches less often, but I think that's just because I'm making a point to drink more water. xD

Original post: Arayus

Anathema_Oracle;256828 wrote:Don't trust mushrooms they eat shit and are kept in the dark.

LOL well no I didn't trust the messenger so I was sick for eight more years until my woman got the same message. And it actually wasn't a mushroom, it was ergot I was speaking to. Ironically, ergot is the mold that primarily feeds on rye, wheat, and barley and introduced itself as such.

On a serious note, I never considered grains to have such adverse affects on people, I might experiment with cutting them back and see how that goes on my physical and mental state, thanks for the tip!

They can and its very much like the effect grain-fed dairy can have on people. Actually, the caesin protein in milk is almost chemically identical to the gluten protein in wheat. These opiate and steroid-like peptides keep showing up in autistic children in alarming numbers, and many parents and even a few doctors report marked improvements when putting kids with autism spectrum on the gluten-free casein-free (or milk-free) diet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten-fre ... -free_diet.

But since agriculture took off way in the past, evolution has been working against those humans who are intolerant to agricultural staples. You end up with maybe 1-5% of the population who has some sort of negative reaction of some varying level to each of wheat, soy, corn, shellfish, or tomato family foods.

Milk is interesting because it breaks down on purely racial lines. Europeans are adapted to it 95% of the time, but Asians and Africans are not. The fossil record shows a sudden change in the lactase gene in Europeans. Here's some of it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6397001.stm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical ... wsid=25469

Wiki has a good chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance. Some people of European descent with milk intolerance are experiencing that as a side-effect of a primary food intolerance or another condition. see Causes of secondary lactose intolerance http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3429.htm

My best advice is to eat what your ancestors ate, as best you know. Its not really an option to avoid all the favored agricultural products, but you can at least stick to the ones you're adapted for.

Original post: lunukaos

Anathema_Oracle;256849 wrote:Thanks very much for the tips and advice I'll be utilizing them!

As for your examples of lifting 300pounds that would be like double my body weight so it'll be some time before im getting up to that type of weight!!!!

What would you recommend for diet after exercise of this type?

If you like Corned Beef and Hash, it is just about the perfect food to strength training. At 150ish bodyweight, you have a lot of options for food. I suggest the following: Eat meat or a slow digesting protein before your exercise with a complex carbohydrate. This will keep you energized throughout your workout (I recommend oatmeal or whole grain breads for the carbs, lean chicken or beef for the meat).
Post workout, you will want a fast absorbing protein (i.e, whey) and simple carbs to spike your insulin and drive the protein into the muscles. Also, drink water throughout, as this increases the body's natural anabolic (muscle building) state.

Something I can't emphasize enough: do not undercut your food intake during this phase of training. You'll be working your largest muscle groups, and they will burn calories like crazy. If you start feeling fatigued, increase your caloric intake appropriately.

Original post: lunukaos

Muscle Building (hypertrophy)

Muscle building occurs in the 8-15 rep range. As before, ramp up to the weight. This time, however, you'll be doing more sets. A typical set up would look like this:
Bench Press at a one rep max of 200 lbs:
95 x 8
115 x 8
135 x 8
155 x 8, 3 sets. (this is referred to as the 3 x 8 set)

Day one:
Deadlift: 3 x 8
Bent over row (underhand grip to hit biceps as well): 3 x 8
Dumbell Back Flys: 4 x 10-12 reps

Day two:
Bench Press: 3 x 8
Neutral grip incline dumbell press: 4 x 10-12
isometric pushups: 30-45 seconds each position (top of pushup range, middle, and barely off the floor. Work up to these)

Day three:
Squats: 3 x 8
dumbell lunges: 3 x 8
Front or zercher squats: 4 x 10-12.

As far as nutrition goes, follow the same advice as before. Sleep is very important in muscle building. Get 8-10 a day if possible during this phase of training. The movements I've suggested are simple ones that do not require anything more than a weightlifting bench, a barbell, two dumbells, and weights. Many of the movements hit more than one muscle, which is why you don't see 600 different exercises.

The Zercher squat, for example, hits the arms, forearms, back, abs, quads, and calves. Now you could, if you have three hours a day, work all of those individually one machines, or you can do a few compound movements and hit them all in one shot. The deadlift hits the back, legs, arms, abs, etc.