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Original post: 777II

In the past there were inqirie's on the Novem Posrtis's validity and existence. I am a rare book and antiquitie's collector of anything occult, esoteric, exoteric science's, etc. I have various prestigious contact's and have been led to two individual's claiming ownership of the Novem Portis and BOTH copies were FAKE! Nicely pieced together to resemble older books of the 1600's but fakes non the less! Both had tell-tell signf various degree's of modern day materials and forgerie's!
I have posted elsewhere on meeting a older man this November who claim's to own one as well as other various work's from the past and all I can do is wait!
The author Aristide Torchia on the other hand did exist and is real and his works are that of basically a book binder, type setter, etc. and he penned alot of poetry and NO, nothing of a evil nature exist in his work's or any referrence what so ever pertaining to the book entitled "De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis"! The word is out on the market for this so-called rareity. I and two other's have amassed a sum of $172,000.00 +- a couple G's for the viewing and the privelage for us to make a hand written copy of one, if it does exist? Spread the word! We dont want to buy it, just see it and copy it's content's! Thank you for reading this thread!


-777

Original post: Gremlin

You did quite a research there. Can you direct me to some of the documents showing Torchia's existence? I know a guy who said that the entire story must be fake. He said that supposed Torchia's date and place of death looks like someone took the date and place of Giordano Brunos burning and changed it a bit.

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=777II]In the past there were inqirie's on the Novem Posrtis's validity and existence. I am a rare book and antiquitie's collector of anything occult, esoteric, exoteric science's, etc. I have various prestigious contact's and have been led to two individual's claiming ownership of the Novem Portis and BOTH copies were FAKE! Nicely pieced together to resemble older books of the 1600's but fakes non the less! Both had tell-tell signf various degree's of modern day materials and forgerie's!
I have posted elsewhere on meeting a older man this November who claim's to own one as well as other various work's from the past and all I can do is wait!
The author Aristide Torchia on the other hand did exist and is real and his works are that of basically a book binder, type setter, etc. and he penned alot of poetry and NO, nothing of a evil nature exist in his work's or any referrence what so ever pertaining to the book entitled "De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis"! The word is out on the market for this so-called rareity. I and two other's have amassed a sum of $172,000.00 +- a couple G's for the viewing and the privelage for us to make a hand written copy of one, if it does exist? Spread the word! We dont want to buy it, just see it and copy it's content's! Thank you for reading this thread!


-777[/QUOTE]
I am always intrigued by 777's rare book adventures. Thanks.
I think it is going to be difficult to always find readable original vintage texts on the occult. (Many ancient Occultists were Scientists and Proto-scientists)
That said, did You copy the forgeries? Because the best way to hide something is in plain view or to make it appear to be a fake. (I have a friend who is an art collector and keeps his own private collections, and among his works are painting master peices that have been painted recently but made to look like the the one's hanging in Museums) My point is his paintings are not the original's but they are excellent forgeries, down to the pigments, style, and brush strokes that contain all the information that the original possesses, thus the data/imagery is the same as the original.
So I wonder if this would cross over to manuscripts?
But also understand, about the energy of originals.
Good Luck, and Thanks again.

Original post: 777II

Yes, the best way to protect a rare item is to prove it was never done! I have had the privelage to examine some odditie's such as "he crown of the kingdom", "Rashith Ha Galgulim, (Revolution of soul's)" "The Picatrix", "The book's of Kiu-te" "Enchiridon Du Pape Leon" and many other's. I am also searching out the book's/MS'S of "Le Grand Albert" and it's little brother "Le Petit Albert".
I have come across alot of MS'S from as far back as 1070. My finding's are leading to a screwed up idea of the truth behind alot of thing's and bring's new question's to the table such as 1). How long has the Catholic church been performing black masse's? 2). What's the real reason behind the Crusade's and the theft's from Israel and sorrounding area's? 3). How much of antiquity did the Catholic church destroy to create a foundation for their church to stand as the only one TRUE church in the world-(in their eye's anyhow and any one stpid enough to follow their lie's)? Notice the word CATHOLIC alot? You would be surprised how many time's I have seen refference's to Pope's in older Grimoire's, especially Leonis III and the Pope's who reigned before him during Dr.John Dee's investigation's. Dr.Dee was reporting to Queen Elizabeth,I and King Jame's ,(co-dveloper of the 1611 bible), and they were reportng to none other than the Pope and other bishop's! Hmmmmm???
Two good book's by eonis, III are 1). Enchiridon DuPape Leon. 2) Enchiridion Recueil D' Oraison's amirables par sa saintette le Pape Leon III pentacles protecteurs sceaux mystiques et figures mysteriiuses. Both full of Qabalah diagram's and talisman's and I dare to wonder where they came from??? Who did/wrote/created,Etc. them originally???
But yes, even the fake's I will copy when given the chance, alway's good to refference back to them just in case. You never know? Masterful art piece's indeed of the one copy of the "De umbrarum Regni novem portis". This book is not the only work which legend involve's the work of Satan being involved. "De Septum Secundeis" By Johannes Thithemus. It is reported that in 1453 at the Mettropolis of Alman that printing came to use with the help of a "GIFT?" from Saturn??????? The printing press! Strange heh?
I will post more info nd rsearch on this site 8-6-04 on Dr.Dee and some other's. Take care.



Respectively, -777

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=777II]Yes, the best way to protect a rare item is to prove it was never done! I have had the privelage to examine some odditie's such as "he crown of the kingdom", "Rashith Ha Galgulim, (Revolution of soul's)" "The Picatrix", "The book's of Kiu-te" "Enchiridon Du Pape Leon" and many other's. I am also searching out the book's/MS'S of "Le Grand Albert" and it's little brother "Le Petit Albert".
I have come across alot of MS'S from as far back as 1070. My finding's are leading to a screwed up idea of the truth behind alot of thing's and bring's new question's to the table such as 1). How long has the Catholic church been performing black masse's? 2). What's the real reason behind the Crusade's and the theft's from Israel and sorrounding area's? 3). How much of antiquity did the Catholic church destroy to create a foundation for their church to stand as the only one TRUE church in the world-(in their eye's anyhow and any one stpid enough to follow their lie's)? Notice the word CATHOLIC alot? You would be surprised how many time's I have seen refference's to Pope's in older Grimoire's, especially Leonis III and the Pope's who reigned before him during Dr.John Dee's investigation's. Dr.Dee was reporting to Queen Elizabeth,I and King Jame's ,(co-dveloper of the 1611 bible), and they were reportng to none other than the Pope and other bishop's! Hmmmmm???
Two good book's by eonis, III are 1). Enchiridon DuPape Leon. 2) Enchiridion Recueil D' Oraison's amirables par sa saintette le Pape Leon III pentacles protecteurs sceaux mystiques et figures mysteriiuses. Both full of Qabalah diagram's and talisman's and I dare to wonder where they came from??? Who did/wrote/created,Etc. them originally???
But yes, even the fake's I will copy when given the chance, alway's good to refference back to them just in case. You never know? Masterful art piece's indeed of the one copy of the "De umbrarum Regni novem portis". This book is not the only work which legend involve's the work of Satan being involved. "De Septum Secundeis" By Johannes Thithemus. It is reported that in 1453 at the Mettropolis of Alman that printing came to use with the help of a "GIFT?" from Saturn??????? The printing press! Strange heh?
I will post more info nd rsearch on this site 8-6-04 on Dr.Dee and some other's. Take care.



Respectively, -777[/QUOTE]
Always a pleasure 777 to hear from you. You know I am putting this thread on a CD tonight, LOL. I firmly believe there is a mix up between Satius and Saturn. I think Satius was an object between mars and Jupiter that blew. Doctor Tom Van Flandern presents great insights into this. He claims the big red spot on Jupiter is part of another planet that blew up which is now still floating in Jupiters Atmosphere because it exhibits properties of a solid body.
Then the Rings of Saturn are between 3 and 100 million years old, another words they could also be debris from the break up event, those rings will disappear in about 50 million years. The event is calculated at 3.2 million years ago, that is the cosmic ray age of 99% of all meteors, another words prior to 3.2 million years those rocks were all shielded and part of a large object, moon or planet? When Sat blew, Jupiter reigned and cronus grew ears(rings) to become Sat's Urn, Saturn? Ashes/resting place of Sat. It is after Sat is no more that Mars and Saturn come into our senses.

It is now claimed that Endubdsar Texts/writings are actually the autobiography of the biblical Lucifer? I don't buy that, but I read it, excellent work once I removed the translators colored lense from the information. Have You found any other good English translations of Bruno's works, besides the letter? When I read the Vatican report on his torture, bruno was able to use his torture schedule to send an SOS through over 400 years of time, when I finally realized what Bruno was doing, it took time for me to recover.

This Martianus Capella is the original but occulted Heliocentrist that influenced Copernicus.
"Satyricon," or "De Nuptiis Philologiae et Mercurii et de septem, by Martianus Capella.

I posted links to Alexander Curtis's Bacchus on the ceramony thread so it can mined for ancient, texts and authors.
One pope Honorius even wrote a book on SchwarzenMagick, Liber Juratus, I read it years ago.
Thanks
SatsUrn

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=SatsUrn]Always a pleasure 777 to hear from you. You know I am putting this thread on a CD tonight, LOL. I firmly believe there is a mix up between Satius and Saturn. I think Satius was an object between mars and Jupiter that blew. Doctor Tom Van Flandern presents great insights into this. He claims the big red spot on Jupiter is part of another planet that blew up which is now still floating in Jupiters Atmosphere because it exhibits properties of a solid body.
Then the Rings of Saturn are between 3 and 100 million years old, another words they could also be debris from the break up event, those rings will disappear in about 50 million years. The event is calculated at 3.2 million years ago, that is the cosmic ray age of 99% of all meteors, another words prior to 3.2 million years those rocks were all shielded and part of a large object, moon or planet? When Sat blew, Jupiter reigned and cronus grew ears(rings) to become Sat's Urn, Saturn? Ashes/resting place of Sat. It is after Sat is no more that Mars and Saturn come into our senses.

It is now claimed that Endubdsar Texts/writings are actually the autobiography of the biblical Lucifer? I don't buy that, but I read it, excellent work once I removed the translators colored lense from the information. Have You found any other good English translations of Bruno's works, besides the letter? When I read the Vatican report on his torture, bruno was able to use his torture schedule to send an SOS through over 400 years of time, when I finally realized what Bruno was doing, it took time for me to recover.

This Martianus Capella is the original but occulted Heliocentrist that influenced Copernicus.
"Satyricon," or "De Nuptiis Philologiae et Mercurii et de septem, by Martianus Capella.

I posted links to Alexander Curtis's Bacchus on the ceramony thread so it can mined for ancient, texts and authors.
One pope Honorius even wrote a book on SchwarzenMagick, Liber Juratus, I read it years ago.
Thanks
SatsUrn[/QUOTE]It was too tired late night so I am finishing this now.

From everything I know I firmly believe that there is a great confusion with Saturn or Satan. The Hebrews whose enemies were called Satan, why? And the Christians who have influenced many of what people understand as Satan today did a lot of fudging. Even in the old testament Satan is not an evil, just a friend of their deia who is a character of interaction for the deia's torment of Job. Satan does not torture Job, he is just the character that, that Deia uses for the story line, Deia does all the torturing, Satan observes. Their Deia is none other than the Roman Jupiter/Enlil, whom even the Romans built the greatest temple to as being the God of Gods. (on earth as it is in heaven) But before Jupiter reigned they claim it was Saturn/Cronus which I firmly believe was not really Saturn at all but Satius or Satan. The Etruscans had two names for solar deities, Catha and Ucil/Usil, Catha was the bright Sun of Daylight, and Ucil light of another source, and not the moon or Venus, I believe Sat/Satius. When Sat was no more in the heavens the earth froze and death reigned, odd beginnings for Jupiter? But Sat was in a battle, as viewed from the earth, and not Jupiter but Mars came out of the fight still there but very red or bloody. Satius is the Deity of Plenty, Pleasure, and Prosperity. These attributes are transmitted to Saturn, why? This year if anyone bothered to look up, Mars was celebrating the victory, I doubt we shall ever see Mars as bright as that for at least another 60,000 years, maybe longer.

Satius still has festival throughout the world but it is occulted to Saturnalia or to the Christians it is Christmas, it is the festival of winter solstice. The Romans hated Saturnalia because they had to free their slaves for seven days and in the most ancient rites, masters had to become slaves for those seven days and slaves became masters. I found this an odd rite and can understand why the Romans disliked it so much. But it reveals more of Satius's nature, Today the Holiday/Christmas bonus is the honoring of Satius/Satan. I think the animosity between the ancient Jews and the Romans was over the Satius festival? And the Diana organization whom they both really hated. I had to add that in here or I would get fried on this website, but it is true the in the city of Rome they hated Diana, Satius, and felt threatened by Venus. Those Romans and their old time religion, just like the Catholic church today! Thus the Romans and their Catholic Church are more than likely responsilbe for all the confusion of Saturn and Satius. Once Christianity took over they had to hide Satius in Saturn and like the Romans before them, took it upon themselves to burn books, MS's, and People. And the Winter Solstice/Saturnalia festivals also reveals a lot about Satius/Satan's astral properties.
I am going to wait for your next installment here to help inspire me to write a little about Satius persona here on earth in the flesh.
Thanks again

Original post: Ludi

Satan does not torture Job, he is just the character that, that Deia uses for the story line, Deia does all the torturing, Satan observes.

Pardon me, but I can find no scriptural basis for this opinion in the Book of Job.

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Ludi]Pardon me, but I can find no scriptural basis for this opinion in the Book of Job.[/QUOTE]
Thank You Ludi and I believe you, but you will have to get a Catholic, Greek, or Jewish book at least from before 1952. Take no offense but almost all modern Christian Bibles are complete fantasies substituting the idea of Gal-zu "Great Knower" as God of all. We are discussing Satan's Book on this thread.

Original post: Ludi

Sorry about being OT, this is just confusing me. Could you give a citation? I'd really appreciate it.


Book of Job:

A Hebrew - English Bible according to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition

"7 So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot even unto his crown. "

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm


The Douay translation, c 1609

2:7 "So Satan went forth from the presence Of the Lord, and struck Job with a very grievous ulcer, from the sole of the foot even to the top of his head"

http://www.catholicdoors.com/bible/


"So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown."

King James version

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Ludi]Sorry about being OT, this is just confusing me. Could you give a citation? I'd really appreciate it.


Book of Job:

A Hebrew - English Bible according to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition

"7 So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot even unto his crown. "

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm


The Douay translation, c 1609

2:7 "So Satan went forth from the presence Of the Lord, and struck Job with a very grievous ulcer, from the sole of the foot even to the top of his head"

http://www.catholicdoors.com/bible/


"So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown."

King James version[/QUOTE]
Your free to believe whatever you want Ludi. As a rule I will never quote online bible nonsense. but even these corrupted verses here your presenting makes that so called god look like a powerless wimp. Who is suppose to be all powerful? Satan or God? Think about it? The fraudlent online bibles make no sense, that is a dead give away to their fraudlent nature. And does the Bible ever reveal Satan's real name?

Original post: Ludi

Satsurn, I quote Bible translations readily available on and offline. If you expect me to go to a university library and look these passages up in hardcopy editions, I'm afraid I don't have the opportunity to do that any time soon.

I asked you for a citation backing up your claim. Why won't you give me one?

You seem to be approaching this from a rather extreme religious position.

In the passages cited, Satan is an angel of God, God's agent in testing Job. That is Satan's function in Hebrew mythology.

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Ludi]Satsurn, I quote Bible translations readily available on and offline. If you expect me to go to a university library and look these passages up in hardcopy editions, I'm afraid I don't have the opportunity to do that any time soon.

I asked you for a citation backing up your claim. Why won't you give me one?

You seem to be approaching this from a rather extreme religious position.

In the passages cited, Satan is an angel of God, God's agent in testing Job. That is Satan's function in Hebrew mythology.[/QUOTE]

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:ZWQdb9fazQoJ:www.bookrags.com/notes/bot/TOP1.htm+God+Tortures+Job&hl=en&start=1


Job

Contracts 12: The book of Job is one of the most troubling books in the bible. Job has honored his covenant with God to the furthest extent but because of Satan's challenge God tortures him. God destroyed all of Sodom and Gomorrah but saved Lot because he was righteous. The treatment of Job disrupts the divine balance of the covenant. Although men have broken the covenant on multiple occasions, this is the first time God breaks it completely. The Book of Job addresses the question "why do bad things happen to good people?" with only a spiritual answer.

Isaiah

Original post: Ludi

Can you please give me a scriptural citation, as I asked for?

If you look at the King James Bible, referred to in that article, it plainly says:

"So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown."

Job 2:7

This is from a hardcopy Bible, the King James version.

Do you own a King James Bible?

If you do, take a look at it, please.

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Ludi]Can you please give me a scriptural citation, as I asked for?

If you look at the King James Bible, referred to in that article, it plainly says:

"So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown."

Job 2:7

This is from a hardcopy Bible, the King James version.

Do you own a King James Bible?

If you do, take a look at it, please.[/QUOTE]
King James, Are You Serious? King James is pure Bullcrapo. I really feel sorry for ya man. Have you ever read anything by Lucifer just to counter balance your bias?

Original post: Ludi

I feel sorry for you as well.

You cite an article which discusses the King James Bible to support your point, and then you say the King James Bible isn't a credible source.

Your scholarship is pathetic.

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Ludi]I feel sorry for you as well.

You cite an article which discusses the King James Bible to support your point, and then you say the King James Bible isn't a credible source.

Your scholarship is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
That is all I wanted you to see! My Point Made!

Original post: Ludi

You made no point whatsoever.

Now I must simply laugh at you!

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=Ludi]You made no point whatsoever.

Now I must simply laugh at you!

[/QUOTE]
Laughter is good, enjoy! But in all respect here to the original poster we should start a thread of doing a job on Job or something to that effect and I would be glad to go back and forth for a while.
But what we are doing on this thread may be construed as harassment to the original poster? So I am not going to harass the poster here, And ask the OF to remove these off topic posts about the bible. This thread is about Novis Portem and perhaps I too am guilty of going way off topic, unless it was your intention to harass me and the original poster? start a thread!

Original post: cpmg_101

How would you be able recognize which one is true and which one is fake?

cpmg_101

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=cpmg_101]How would you be able recognize which one is true and which one is fake?

cpmg_101[/QUOTE]
One would need to see the book and check it out. The way I understand this is that it is a book written originally by Marduk/Raa and it is really not a book for the general public but only for his offspring from his marriage to Sarpanit. But and here is where some of the confusion comes in, and is that Ningishzidda/Thoth may have also written a similar text on Novem Portis? A quick read of the Emeral Tablets anyone can tell that Ningishzidda also traveled the Novem Portis and he was a prolific writer.

Original post: SatsUrn

[QUOTE=777II]In the past there were inqirie's on the Novem Posrtis's validity and existence. I am a rare book and antiquitie's collector of anything occult, esoteric, exoteric science's, etc. I have various prestigious contact's and have been led to two individual's claiming ownership of the Novem Portis and BOTH copies were FAKE! Nicely pieced together to resemble older books of the 1600's but fakes non the less! Both had tell-tell signf various degree's of modern day materials and forgerie's!
I have posted elsewhere on meeting a older man this November who claim's to own one as well as other various work's from the past and all I can do is wait!
The author Aristide Torchia on the other hand did exist and is real and his works are that of basically a book binder, type setter, etc. and he penned alot of poetry and NO, nothing of a evil nature exist in his work's or any referrence what so ever pertaining to the book entitled "De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis"! The word is out on the market for this so-called rareity. I and two other's have amassed a sum of $172,000.00 +- a couple G's for the viewing and the privelage for us to make a hand written copy of one, if it does exist? Spread the word! We dont want to buy it, just see it and copy it's content's! Thank you for reading this thread!


-777

Hi 777, please send me a PM and I will give you my Web address. This site here is degrading to the point of an a0l chat room, I borrowed that last statement but it is fitting. I am very interested in these ancient works. I have worked on the Etruscan Alphabet and have translated almost every letter sound character. I am interested in the Perurgian Fire Rite of Recreation, (of the world) I have part of the rite and ceremony.
I would post my email here but there are just too many hostiles.
Until then
SatsUrn

Original post: cpmg_101

SatsUrn
Can you post the link on the forum so everyone can see it?

cpmg_101