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Original post: MaeveQ

How do you think spirits percieve us? Do they see us physically or do they use their own kind of third eye/astral senses?

Original post: endor957

hmmm, i find that question interesting and well, does it matter if the spirits are animal, human or other?
I would say that they would percieve us as us and not use any third eye or whatever technique or inherited gift because they are dead (not alive) and to me that means that they are at where these gifts/ powers come from.
I think it's funny what Chris Rock said in Dogma about the dead doing nothing but watching people who are alive.
but however they really see us, i believe that they are out there watching us all the time.

Original post: MaeveQ

What about angels, demons and that sort of other entities?

Original post: LadyHydralisk

I once asked a demon how he perceived us and he replied "As beings of pure light" the imagery sent along was rather striking, to me, at least.

Original post: fatbastard

Ah, must have been the preliminary divine-light pump-up thing prior to the evocation
Or a simple ego-stroke. Or simply a truth of that particular moment.

Original post: pAmphAge

[QUOTE=MaeveQ]How do you think spirits percieve us? Do they see us physically or do they use their own kind of third eye/astral senses?[/QUOTE]Ok, here is how it works for me with Goetics and Qabalistic Angels:

They see me as my discarnate SPIRITUAL SELF, as well as my current incarnated form ALL AT ONCE. (Note: you can only have experiences like this if you've crossed the Abyss, otherwise you are still blind to your own Godhead). Their perception of time TRANSCENDS ours in the sense that they don't see time as linear, experiencing one moment at a time, rather they see it as a long, circular (even spherical, you might say) current, with you impermeable at its center. This is how they exist, after all--timeless, nearly immortal.

In normal everday consciousness, we "lowly" magicians see time as linear and live it moment by moment...which is great for chess games, sports, and romances, as it allows us to savor each moment...like an addict waiting for the end of a mystery novel. The spirits do not have that particular experience or joy, neither do even the highest Archangels. This is why a true Magician is very much equal to if not GREATER than any god--because we stand at the concourse of the 4 roads (i.e. Elements) upon the material plane, yet firmly anchored to our Neschamah. From here we can create virtually anything in *manifested* concrete form, that is to say here on Gaia, Nuith's little sister.

pAmphAge

Original post: Kaymon

See this is where I come into disagreement.

Demons - see us as being pathetic, we are really nothing to them just a game that they can play to escape the place where they dwell. It all works on trade and experience if you cant offer to them what they want then they will go and get it from someone else..
We are tiny compared to them..

Kaymon

Original post: kalki

We are percieved as indulgers of pleasures of the flesh. Imagine you are devoid of avertion or attraction, that you exist without the need for sustenance. Thus, you do not eat nor feel the interaction of body in all its forms. So...now you yearn for that feeling. You in this state then meet some gothy teenager who has stumbled upon a conjuring trick...and what do you tell him? In your desire to feel the comforts of flesh? basically anything he wants to hear.
We, are percieved from the spiritual world as residing in a desire for all things material, which are finite and therefore insignificant. In our finite span we do not know this as we regard this finite world as the be all and end all of our perception. Therefore. Spirits look upon us with pity. Except those that yearn for the pleasures of the flesh...who are easily summoned with an an pound of sulphur and an ounce of ego. Who look upon us with envy....and in true Uriah Heep style bow to our every whim.

Original post: spiritoflove

Hiya,

Spirits perceive us as a mass of swirling energy a cloud of vibrations. They do not see the physical that we are for from their perspective they see our auric and higher selves...'

Cleanse your energy with reiki or other methods and you open yourself to the higher spiritual vibrations of spirit, in other words the mediumistic powers become more evident...'

In Light

SOL

Original post: malachius

Who can truly say???

Can we know the mind of the Tiger the bumble bee or even another human being?
even our own perception and mind are not fully known to us.how then can we know the mind and perception of the spirits/demons & angels?

all we can truly say is that they usually act in a certain fashion and can be enlisted under certain conditions to achieve desired ends - this is enough for me to know

i am certain of one thing, most if not all spirits etc... are habitual liars nothing they impart can be trusted and they will use you for their own ends if at all possible - still they are quite usefull - if I were to take a guess they most likely see us in the same manner
quite correctly I might add

Original post: LadyHydralisk

Ah, must have been the preliminary divine-light pump-up thing prior to the evocation

No the question was worded not magician specific, as this concept does not exist in ritual, for me, at least, but rather generalizing the dualistic human soul, and how they appear to demons at their vibrational rate.

Original post: fatbastard

Er..so ...er..if non-magicians are viewed as beeings of pure light by daemons, then how magicians are viewed? O_o

and to get rude , er..spiritoflove, wasnt that you who
asked in the beginner's forum about what sort of magick method is
the easiest and the fastest?
I`m not condemning your for beeing a beginner or anything, but
generally answers in threads like this ,that are not based on experience, but on wishfull intellectual speculation are useless to say the least. Have you actually evoked a spirit and asked it that question?
And even if you did not, which is fine altogether, you could at least begin your post with a 'I think' or something relevant to that. It will save you for much trouble later on, in the forums and in yourself. The amount of conceptual garbage that we hold in our minds from speculation that eventually gets rooted deeply is huge. Just because we were repeating that to ourselves and did not bother to actually test-bed it.