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How many Satanist/Luciferians have had the courage to create their own Grimoire, thus transcending the usual writings available to the true seeker? If so, how has this helped you to further your own personal development?
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Hmmm...I have never embarked on such a task, but I can't say that I have never thought about it. I am however, working on a homegrown system of magic, mainly to see if I can make it work. I have found myself unable to entirely identify with one single system out there, thus most of my magic is on the fly. I do make use of techniques from various systems and I have my favorites, like mantra and sigilization...but pulling them both together into a unique system is my goal.
When I think about it, my son collects Yu-Gi-Oh cards, and some of the characters with this collection would make for an interesting base for a grimoire.
Here's a peak at them, for those who haven't heard of it.
http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/deck.asp
Hmmm...I have never embarked on such a task, but I can't say that I have never thought about it. I am however, working on a homegrown system of magic, mainly to see if I can make it work. I have found myself unable to entirely identify with one single system out there, thus most of my magic is on the fly. I do make use of techniques from various systems and I have my favorites, like mantra and sigilization...but pulling them both together into a unique system is my goal.
When I think about it, my son collects Yu-Gi-Oh cards, and some of the characters with this collection would make for an interesting base for a grimoire.
Here's a peak at them, for those who haven't heard of it.
http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/deck.asp
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Original post: ReapeR
[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]How many Satanist/Luciferians have had the courage to create their own Grimoire, thus transcending the usual writings available to the true seeker? If so, how has this helped you to further your own personal development?[/QUOTE]
Not yet, but I plan to do it in some 10-20 years....
[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]How many Satanist/Luciferians have had the courage to create their own Grimoire, thus transcending the usual writings available to the true seeker? If so, how has this helped you to further your own personal development?[/QUOTE]
Not yet, but I plan to do it in some 10-20 years....
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Geez..if you recorded all your activities and observations for the next 10 or 20 years, you would already have a huge book full of knowledge.
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Geez..if you recorded all your activities and observations for the next 10 or 20 years, you would already have a huge book full of knowledge.
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Original post: SatsUrn
[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]How many Satanist/Luciferians have had the courage to create their own Grimoire, thus transcending the usual writings available to the true seeker? If so, how has this helped you to further your own personal development?[/QUOTE]
AE
Wow! If I could ever get out of the habit of destroying my written data
perhaps that could be done? But even when I try to keep specialized information
it almost always disappears. I have re-written one particular file at least forty to fifty times and I still do not have it in complete form anywhere and I am always needing it too. Perhaps it is not meant to be? perhaps Luciferian is dynamically
fluid and not allowed to be set in stone? I do know equations/formulai and systems of transcending/using energies is not dependant upon fixed ideas of what is. Only that the formulas themselves independant of numericals or words are valid. Interesting idea though.
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[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]How many Satanist/Luciferians have had the courage to create their own Grimoire, thus transcending the usual writings available to the true seeker? If so, how has this helped you to further your own personal development?[/QUOTE]
AE
Wow! If I could ever get out of the habit of destroying my written data
perhaps that could be done? But even when I try to keep specialized information
it almost always disappears. I have re-written one particular file at least forty to fifty times and I still do not have it in complete form anywhere and I am always needing it too. Perhaps it is not meant to be? perhaps Luciferian is dynamically
fluid and not allowed to be set in stone? I do know equations/formulai and systems of transcending/using energies is not dependant upon fixed ideas of what is. Only that the formulas themselves independant of numericals or words are valid. Interesting idea though.
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As far as things taking a long time to settle into any kind of stable structure - this is proportional to the standards you set. Naturally if you set a very high standards you will experience a much higher degree of internal shifting as you constantly adjust your focus to take in all the relevant bits and pieces. I developed a trigrammal field theory that took nearly 20 years to settle down and even now I find areas where it needs rework but the bottom line is that it comprises a degree of authenticity not to be found in conventional systems and I am content to struggle on with that which I instinctively know to be sound and true and not requiring "belief" on any level really.
People have to do what's right for them to do, obviously. Individuality is an innate thing so it needn't be stressed necessarily in the form one follows since it will be there anyway. But if one finds oneself constantly feeling like it's all wrong somehow, well, it may be that it IS wrong for you and in such a case the explanation may lie in the fact that you already have a powerful vision of things welling up within you. Something you were either born with or else acquired along the way somehow...or both. In that case, you will never be free from this until you own up to that fact and take up the difficult task of constructing the universe anew. Afterall, it's not like it's the first time this has had to be done or anything...Nature reinvents itself constantly as does science, as do the arts and so on. It's no different with things magickal save only that things magickal incorporate everything else and more...
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Yeah...I have done this and I happen to think it's the best way to approach anything of a magickal nature whenever possible. It may NOT always be possible in all situations - I'm not exactly sure. There has to be something stirring within that requires that kind of specialized attention and I don't know what makes this so for some and not so much for others. I only know that in my own case, as I looked into the various methods and systems I found lying about, there was always something missing, something skewed and incomplete - gaping holes in all these various logics and such. So for me, charting a new course ultimately became inevitable. There's a huge price to pay for this. Many will think you an egotist and others will just think you crazy. Some will say you take things too seriously and others will say you have missed the point altogether. So many art critics and so few actual artists.How many Satanist/Luciferians have had the courage to create their own Grimoire, thus transcending the usual writings available to the true seeker? If so, how has this helped you to further your own personal development?
As far as things taking a long time to settle into any kind of stable structure - this is proportional to the standards you set. Naturally if you set a very high standards you will experience a much higher degree of internal shifting as you constantly adjust your focus to take in all the relevant bits and pieces. I developed a trigrammal field theory that took nearly 20 years to settle down and even now I find areas where it needs rework but the bottom line is that it comprises a degree of authenticity not to be found in conventional systems and I am content to struggle on with that which I instinctively know to be sound and true and not requiring "belief" on any level really.
People have to do what's right for them to do, obviously. Individuality is an innate thing so it needn't be stressed necessarily in the form one follows since it will be there anyway. But if one finds oneself constantly feeling like it's all wrong somehow, well, it may be that it IS wrong for you and in such a case the explanation may lie in the fact that you already have a powerful vision of things welling up within you. Something you were either born with or else acquired along the way somehow...or both. In that case, you will never be free from this until you own up to that fact and take up the difficult task of constructing the universe anew. Afterall, it's not like it's the first time this has had to be done or anything...Nature reinvents itself constantly as does science, as do the arts and so on. It's no different with things magickal save only that things magickal incorporate everything else and more...
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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis
Please keep the comments coming folks! We're getting some good material here! I started this thread in hopes of expanding the usually accepted limitations which make up the philosophy and beliefs of Satanism/Luciferism. Personally I adhere to the technique m1thr0s has mentioned above; that is I tend to be swayed by an innate impluse which wells from within. On very rare occasions I am moved by something someone else has spoken or written, and incorporate it into my own personal belief paradigm. (Believe it or not, many of you have assisted in the later).
So please, by all means feel free to express yourselves! You never know who you'll be helping out! :twisted:
Please keep the comments coming folks! We're getting some good material here! I started this thread in hopes of expanding the usually accepted limitations which make up the philosophy and beliefs of Satanism/Luciferism. Personally I adhere to the technique m1thr0s has mentioned above; that is I tend to be swayed by an innate impluse which wells from within. On very rare occasions I am moved by something someone else has spoken or written, and incorporate it into my own personal belief paradigm. (Believe it or not, many of you have assisted in the later).
So please, by all means feel free to express yourselves! You never know who you'll be helping out! :twisted:-
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[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]Please keep the comments coming folks! We're getting some good material here! I started this thread in hopes of expanding the usually accepted limitations which make up the philosophy and beliefs of Satanism/Luciferism. Personally I adhere to the technique m1thr0s has mentioned above; that is I tend to be swayed by an innate impluse which wells from within. On very rare occasions I am moved by something someone else has spoken or written, and incorporate it into my own personal belief paradigm. (Believe it or not, many of you have assisted in the later). So please, by all means feel free to express yourselves! You never know who you'll be helping out! :twisted:[/QUOTE]
AE
Question? Would You want me to give scientific nomenclature and theories
where/why/how dark energies exist and how occultist scientists harness/can use these dark forces? I really do not want to being going off topic and be singled out for spelling/off topic or too complex to understand material that may or may not relate to the topic? Sleeping on it, I may have actually written a dark grimore which I do possess, but just never thought of that type of data
as it is in it's form of occult and scientific nature would be welcome in this forum? I am not a believer, I am a knower. I have known about Lucifer since I was seven as the greatest Hero of this world. Lucifer has taken me in the mixing and dancing of the giant serpents ceremony, (difficult for most but I was very not bothered, I just went with it). I completely understand why Bruno could not lie or recant, the knowledge gained by understanding the true nature of Lucifer has no equal. all I wanted to say and ask?
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[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]Please keep the comments coming folks! We're getting some good material here! I started this thread in hopes of expanding the usually accepted limitations which make up the philosophy and beliefs of Satanism/Luciferism. Personally I adhere to the technique m1thr0s has mentioned above; that is I tend to be swayed by an innate impluse which wells from within. On very rare occasions I am moved by something someone else has spoken or written, and incorporate it into my own personal belief paradigm. (Believe it or not, many of you have assisted in the later).
So please, by all means feel free to express yourselves! You never know who you'll be helping out! :twisted:[/QUOTE] AE
Question? Would You want me to give scientific nomenclature and theories
where/why/how dark energies exist and how occultist scientists harness/can use these dark forces? I really do not want to being going off topic and be singled out for spelling/off topic or too complex to understand material that may or may not relate to the topic? Sleeping on it, I may have actually written a dark grimore which I do possess, but just never thought of that type of data
as it is in it's form of occult and scientific nature would be welcome in this forum? I am not a believer, I am a knower. I have known about Lucifer since I was seven as the greatest Hero of this world. Lucifer has taken me in the mixing and dancing of the giant serpents ceremony, (difficult for most but I was very not bothered, I just went with it). I completely understand why Bruno could not lie or recant, the knowledge gained by understanding the true nature of Lucifer has no equal. all I wanted to say and ask?
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[QUOTE=SatsUrn]AE
Question? Would You want me to give scientific nomenclature and theories
where/why/how dark energies exist and how occultist scientists harness/can use these dark forces? I really do not want to being going off topic and be singled out for spelling/off topic or too complex to understand material that may or may not relate to the topic? Sleeping on it, I may have actually written a dark grimore which I do possess, but just never thought of that type of data
as it is in it's form of occult and scientific nature would be welcome in this forum? I am not a believer, I am a knower. I have known about Lucifer since I was seven as the greatest Hero of this world. Lucifer has taken me in the mixing and dancing of the giant serpents ceremony, (difficult for most but I was very not bothered, I just went with it). I completely understand why Bruno could not lie or recant, the knowledge gained by understanding the true nature of Lucifer has no equal. all I wanted to say and ask?
Sats[/QUOTE]I don't see why we can't discuss (every) concept pertaining to the Light/Dark essence we call Lucifer/Satan = Angel of Light - Angel of Darkness. In ancient days we called (our) attempts to contact this force Magick; today we give these same Operations/Ceremonies a name, and this name is Occult Science/Avantgarde Science, etc. another words (labels) to describe things/events which man uses in an attempt to understand the unseen forces which work upon and influence the Cosmos around him. I personally feel science, mythology, psychology, mathematics, biology, etc. etc. make up the Great Grimoire of humanity. So as I've stated above, please feel free to share any insights (you) feel may help your fellow Satanist/Luciferians out. Who knows........... By this process (we) may make the most powerful Grimoire mankind has ever seen.......... You just never know! :twisted:
[QUOTE=SatsUrn]AE
Question? Would You want me to give scientific nomenclature and theories
where/why/how dark energies exist and how occultist scientists harness/can use these dark forces? I really do not want to being going off topic and be singled out for spelling/off topic or too complex to understand material that may or may not relate to the topic? Sleeping on it, I may have actually written a dark grimore which I do possess, but just never thought of that type of data
as it is in it's form of occult and scientific nature would be welcome in this forum? I am not a believer, I am a knower. I have known about Lucifer since I was seven as the greatest Hero of this world. Lucifer has taken me in the mixing and dancing of the giant serpents ceremony, (difficult for most but I was very not bothered, I just went with it). I completely understand why Bruno could not lie or recant, the knowledge gained by understanding the true nature of Lucifer has no equal. all I wanted to say and ask?
Sats[/QUOTE]I don't see why we can't discuss (every) concept pertaining to the Light/Dark essence we call Lucifer/Satan = Angel of Light - Angel of Darkness. In ancient days we called (our) attempts to contact this force Magick; today we give these same Operations/Ceremonies a name, and this name is Occult Science/Avantgarde Science, etc. another words (labels) to describe things/events which man uses in an attempt to understand the unseen forces which work upon and influence the Cosmos around him. I personally feel science, mythology, psychology, mathematics, biology, etc. etc. make up the Great Grimoire of humanity. So as I've stated above, please feel free to share any insights (you) feel may help your fellow Satanist/Luciferians out. Who knows........... By this process (we) may make the most powerful Grimoire mankind has ever seen.......... You just never know! :twisted:
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Original post: m1thr0s
On topic - off topic...whose ass are we kissing here and why? The fact of the matter is that in this distinguished company we are ALWAYS "on topic". If we meander a bit...welll...how the hell about that...just like any actual intelligent conversation...
I do very much agree that our time has taken a powerful turn towards the language of some new and ancient science...though we have to be careful I think not to confuse greater and lesser science here...creative science vs accounting I suppose...the age old struggle is still very much with us. It's a curious sort of game of chess or something set in motion here. Not everyone who contributes to the emergence of the LHP is always succinctly aware of what they are doing and this is a fascinating dynamic in itself. Some participate purely in spirit alone without consciously acknowledging any other aspect to things. That's probably one of the reasons I can't take labels too seriously.
Love your new pic by the way Aja...is that a recent piece? Quite stark...very thoughtful...raw and urgent I think...angel of death perhaps? self-portrait maybe?
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On topic - off topic...whose ass are we kissing here and why? The fact of the matter is that in this distinguished company we are ALWAYS "on topic". If we meander a bit...welll...how the hell about that...just like any actual intelligent conversation...
I do very much agree that our time has taken a powerful turn towards the language of some new and ancient science...though we have to be careful I think not to confuse greater and lesser science here...creative science vs accounting I suppose...the age old struggle is still very much with us. It's a curious sort of game of chess or something set in motion here. Not everyone who contributes to the emergence of the LHP is always succinctly aware of what they are doing and this is a fascinating dynamic in itself. Some participate purely in spirit alone without consciously acknowledging any other aspect to things. That's probably one of the reasons I can't take labels too seriously.
Love your new pic by the way Aja...is that a recent piece? Quite stark...very thoughtful...raw and urgent I think...angel of death perhaps? self-portrait maybe?
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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis
Thank you m1thr0s............... Thought I'd spice up the season!!! Hee!! Hee!!! And I do agree, the field of science is taking mankind to places only dreamed of decades ago. Mayhaps Mary Shelley's Frankinstein isn't to far off in the future; or something more mind-numbing to think upon! Who knows!!! And I do agree, the process is like a good game of chess............. You're either a good player; or you're not! I think that's what seperates the truly knowledgeable from the dross. And yes........ I'm talking Creative science vs. accounting. As stated by m1thr0s, there is a difference! :twisted:
Thank you m1thr0s............... Thought I'd spice up the season!!! Hee!! Hee!!! And I do agree, the field of science is taking mankind to places only dreamed of decades ago. Mayhaps Mary Shelley's Frankinstein isn't to far off in the future; or something more mind-numbing to think upon! Who knows!!! And I do agree, the process is like a good game of chess............. You're either a good player; or you're not! I think that's what seperates the truly knowledgeable from the dross. And yes........ I'm talking Creative science vs. accounting. As stated by m1thr0s, there is a difference! :twisted:
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M1thr0s I agree on satanism forum there should be more freedom to discuss various subjects and moderators indeed have greaters danger to "over-moderate" right on this section but don't forget in the end you "kiss ass" of those who run this forum and made rules (not me)
That's the least you can do to respect those folks who enable us to talk over great distances and debate on different matters don't you agree?
M1thr0s I agree on satanism forum there should be more freedom to discuss various subjects and moderators indeed have greaters danger to "over-moderate" right on this section but don't forget in the end you "kiss ass" of those who run this forum and made rules (not me)
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[QUOTE=Spes]M1thr0s I agree on satanism forum there should be more freedom to discuss various subjects and moderators indeed have greaters danger to "over-moderate" right on this section but don't forget in the end you "kiss ass" of those who run this forum and made rules (not me) That's the least you can do to respect those folks who enable us to talk over great distances and debate on different matters don't you agree?[/QUOTE]
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When in this galaxy does any Satanist or Luciferian Kiss Ass? Luciferianism is all about equality. I am forbidden by Lucifer himself not to bow to any kings, queens, theologians, or gods, including him. Who the freaking ant mound does anyone here think they are? Greater than Lucifer? I think NOT! I tried giving an indepth reply here two hours ago but was disconnected and lost the page.
I get the feeling that there is a great fear with suppression to limit occultists from realiazing that there is real science behind all these energies and forces seen as Magick and that the scientific data is being suppressed? It is late and I may not be reading this correctly since I am tired out. but I want to see if this will go up?
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[QUOTE=Spes]M1thr0s I agree on satanism forum there should be more freedom to discuss various subjects and moderators indeed have greaters danger to "over-moderate" right on this section but don't forget in the end you "kiss ass" of those who run this forum and made rules (not me)
That's the least you can do to respect those folks who enable us to talk over great distances and debate on different matters don't you agree?[/QUOTE] AE
When in this galaxy does any Satanist or Luciferian Kiss Ass? Luciferianism is all about equality. I am forbidden by Lucifer himself not to bow to any kings, queens, theologians, or gods, including him. Who the freaking ant mound does anyone here think they are? Greater than Lucifer? I think NOT! I tried giving an indepth reply here two hours ago but was disconnected and lost the page.
I get the feeling that there is a great fear with suppression to limit occultists from realiazing that there is real science behind all these energies and forces seen as Magick and that the scientific data is being suppressed? It is late and I may not be reading this correctly since I am tired out. but I want to see if this will go up?
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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis
Science is modern-day Magick........ Simple as that. Science has come up with ways to extend lives, from a very young age........... To the very old. We must remember, less than a 100 years ago, if (we) lived to be 50 (we) were a rarity. We now have Genetic research which has proved (we) can create man......... Where it will lead us, who knows! We've reached out far into the Stars; where man only dreamed to go 200 hundred years ago........ "What does our future contain?" Really........... What does it contain??? :|
Science is modern-day Magick........ Simple as that. Science has come up with ways to extend lives, from a very young age........... To the very old. We must remember, less than a 100 years ago, if (we) lived to be 50 (we) were a rarity. We now have Genetic research which has proved (we) can create man......... Where it will lead us, who knows! We've reached out far into the Stars; where man only dreamed to go 200 hundred years ago........ "What does our future contain?" Really........... What does it contain??? :|
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Original post: Spes
It seems late indeed if you don't get sarcasm. If you have any complaints on administration feel free to PM them. NOW GET BACK ON TOPICAE
When in this galaxy does any Satanist or Luciferian Kiss Ass? Luciferianism is all about equality. I am forbidden by Lucifer himself not to bow to any kings, queens, theologians, or gods, including him. Who the freaking ant mound does anyone here think they are? Greater than Lucifer? I think NOT! I tried giving an indepth reply here two hours ago but was disconnected and lost the page.
I get the feeling that there is a great fear with suppression to limit occultists from realiazing that there is real science behind all these energies and forces seen as Magick and that the scientific data is being suppressed? It is late and I may not be reading this correctly since I am tired out. but I want to see if this will go up?
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I am sick of this labeling me a troll, off topic, not following rules, even when i ask the thread starter, that does not even hold water.
I am sick of this labeling me a troll, off topic, not following rules, even when i ask the thread starter, that does not even hold water.
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I think that what Spes meant was something that M1thr0s knows only too well - that Eric does, in the final analysis, run these boards. Yeah, Satanists and Luciferians do not bow to anyone but only fools refuse to ever compromise... diplomacy is sometimes a very Satanic force indeed. So, you can follow the rules of what is one of the more liberal occult message boards or you can try to find one that will allow you even more freedom of speech. Good luck.
That said, although I see m1thr0s' point about everything being on topic can we please get back to something approximating a discussion about writing your own grimoires?
I think that what Spes meant was something that M1thr0s knows only too well - that Eric does, in the final analysis, run these boards. Yeah, Satanists and Luciferians do not bow to anyone but only fools refuse to ever compromise... diplomacy is sometimes a very Satanic force indeed. So, you can follow the rules of what is one of the more liberal occult message boards or you can try to find one that will allow you even more freedom of speech. Good luck.
That said, although I see m1thr0s' point about everything being on topic can we please get back to something approximating a discussion about writing your own grimoires?
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As for that discussion, I'll start it up again:
Personally, I see little point in re-inventing the wheel. Wasting time is not Satanic so if someone else has written something perfectly viable I see no reason to repeat it in my own words like some primary school kid learning to use the English language.
However, if you have something new to say then it is unsatanic to keep it to yourself out of fear and I would almost certainly say it. Some, however, might consider it more Satanic to keep the information to themselves as an advantage they have over others. Frankly, it is a matter of personal interpretation.
I probably will get around to writing my own grimoire... once I feel I have a sufficient amount of new things to say.
As for that discussion, I'll start it up again:
Personally, I see little point in re-inventing the wheel. Wasting time is not Satanic so if someone else has written something perfectly viable I see no reason to repeat it in my own words like some primary school kid learning to use the English language.
However, if you have something new to say then it is unsatanic to keep it to yourself out of fear and I would almost certainly say it. Some, however, might consider it more Satanic to keep the information to themselves as an advantage they have over others. Frankly, it is a matter of personal interpretation.
I probably will get around to writing my own grimoire... once I feel I have a sufficient amount of new things to say.
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I've thought about starting my own grimoire/magical diary, which would include daily workings and the thoughts arising from these, and also from the interaction with others. I've thought about including some drawings, anything worth while mentioning. I've noticed that the introspection you get from trying to see your own works, ideas & practices as objectively as possible (being honest to yourself) is a great way to develop yourself, and for this purpose the diary could be very helpful tool indeed.
Also, just as someone stated a few replies ago, many serious in-depth discussions played out here in the web can be seen as some kind of a collective grimoire open for everyone interested.
I've thought about starting my own grimoire/magical diary, which would include daily workings and the thoughts arising from these, and also from the interaction with others. I've thought about including some drawings, anything worth while mentioning. I've noticed that the introspection you get from trying to see your own works, ideas & practices as objectively as possible (being honest to yourself) is a great way to develop yourself, and for this purpose the diary could be very helpful tool indeed.
Also, just as someone stated a few replies ago, many serious in-depth discussions played out here in the web can be seen as some kind of a collective grimoire open for everyone interested.
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Original post: m1thr0s
thanks LR ... I wasn't trying to make a federal case of anything. I have seen a lot of apologizing of people for their various ideas of late and it's beginning to give me the creeps, that's all...
as for reinventing the wheel - I totally agree that there's no point trying to fix something if it isn't already broken in some way but a lot of times things really do need improvements and people are often afraid to make those improvements thinking they will somehow be overstepping their boundaries in doing so. It is this particular "fear" that I very much object to. But there is a balance that has to be struck as well. It's important to fully understand a thing before proceeding to make improvements upon it or you run the risk of simply creating a distortion that may have no particular relevance to anyone at all - oneself included.
But ultimately we really do have to "reinvent the wheel" whenever the road conditions have changed enough to warrant a newer and better wheel. It's a judgment call to be sure. One can only determine for oneself through personal study and experience if ones wheel needs any particular reinventing. If it does, then it can also be a tremendous waste of time NOT attending to this.
For the most part, I have only ever really found traditional systems to amount to the barest of all possible guidelines that absolutely have to be personalized to be strong and vital.
m1thr0s
thanks LR ... I wasn't trying to make a federal case of anything. I have seen a lot of apologizing of people for their various ideas of late and it's beginning to give me the creeps, that's all...
as for reinventing the wheel - I totally agree that there's no point trying to fix something if it isn't already broken in some way but a lot of times things really do need improvements and people are often afraid to make those improvements thinking they will somehow be overstepping their boundaries in doing so. It is this particular "fear" that I very much object to. But there is a balance that has to be struck as well. It's important to fully understand a thing before proceeding to make improvements upon it or you run the risk of simply creating a distortion that may have no particular relevance to anyone at all - oneself included.
But ultimately we really do have to "reinvent the wheel" whenever the road conditions have changed enough to warrant a newer and better wheel. It's a judgment call to be sure. One can only determine for oneself through personal study and experience if ones wheel needs any particular reinventing. If it does, then it can also be a tremendous waste of time NOT attending to this.
For the most part, I have only ever really found traditional systems to amount to the barest of all possible guidelines that absolutely have to be personalized to be strong and vital.
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Original post: GotNoSoul2Sell
I've yet to find a system which truely captures my imagintion, something I feel I can commit to. So I take what I need from every source and move on. Learning to adapt is a prerequisite for any true follower of the left hand path. You gotta be pretty f*ckin creative to (Guess thats why they call it an art). Im reading Modern Magick at the moment by Donald Michael Kraig, not because I intend to practice any of that stuff, but because im still rather new to the occult and I understand the importance of having solid foundations to build upon. Im sat reading it, thinking to myself, as a Traditional Satanist how does any of this stuff apply to me, wouldn't it be cool if there was a satanic/sinister magick version, then I wouldn't have to waste all this precious time. And thats where creating my own grimoire comes into it. I got a lot of learning to do yet though before I even consider such a task, but I feel its something one must do. Not just to furthur my own development, but maybe other peoples to.
I've yet to find a system which truely captures my imagintion, something I feel I can commit to. So I take what I need from every source and move on. Learning to adapt is a prerequisite for any true follower of the left hand path. You gotta be pretty f*ckin creative to (Guess thats why they call it an art). Im reading Modern Magick at the moment by Donald Michael Kraig, not because I intend to practice any of that stuff, but because im still rather new to the occult and I understand the importance of having solid foundations to build upon. Im sat reading it, thinking to myself, as a Traditional Satanist how does any of this stuff apply to me, wouldn't it be cool if there was a satanic/sinister magick version, then I wouldn't have to waste all this precious time. And thats where creating my own grimoire comes into it. I got a lot of learning to do yet though before I even consider such a task, but I feel its something one must do. Not just to furthur my own development, but maybe other peoples to.
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Original post: ReapeR
Offcourse that there is such thing!wouldn't it be cool if there was a satanic/sinister magick version, then I wouldn't have to waste all this precious time
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Original post: GotNoSoul2Sell
Yeah. im still looking for it
Yeah. im still looking for it
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Original post: Väkisinkastettu
[QUOTE=Lord Ruthven]
Personally, I see little point in re-inventing the wheel. Wasting time is not Satanic so if someone else has written something perfectly viable I see no reason to repeat it in my own words like some primary school kid learning to use the English language.
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Not re-inventing the wheel is a good idea but I think it doesn't apply here. The occult scene, just like the everyday life, has always been dominated by christians and christian concepts, that's why it's really no surprise that the literature on magic, especially black, and on satanism has nearly always been written from christian point of view. Let's take A.E. Waite and his book of black magic for as an example.
Therefore there's still a lot of room for real satanic grimoires and other books on the subject. And as an answer to the original message I can say that I have done some writing for our order's internal use. Perhaps I'll publish them as a book when I retire, who knows.
[QUOTE=Lord Ruthven]
Personally, I see little point in re-inventing the wheel. Wasting time is not Satanic so if someone else has written something perfectly viable I see no reason to repeat it in my own words like some primary school kid learning to use the English language.
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Not re-inventing the wheel is a good idea but I think it doesn't apply here. The occult scene, just like the everyday life, has always been dominated by christians and christian concepts, that's why it's really no surprise that the literature on magic, especially black, and on satanism has nearly always been written from christian point of view. Let's take A.E. Waite and his book of black magic for as an example.
Therefore there's still a lot of room for real satanic grimoires and other books on the subject. And as an answer to the original message I can say that I have done some writing for our order's internal use. Perhaps I'll publish them as a book when I retire, who knows.
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For the record................. When I spoke of an personal Grimoire; I was speaking in the context of an individualized personal journey into life experience. I don't see how this is re-inventing the wheel since it is a (personal) endeavor we're speaking of here. Who knows, mayhaps I'm wrong. All written material is simply a guide-line, a starting-point; hopefully this (point) can be agreed upon by all in this thread. I hope to have as many (points) of view presented for the benifit of all Satanist/Luciferians. Like basic construction of the Grimoire, it's content, mythological data, mayhaps mystical exercises, etc. Anything - one feels should go into a Grimoire proper. *On a side-note: I am growing concerned with the indirect & subtle threats I've witnessed in several threads by various individuals who have certain responsiblities to the Forum. Why? Is this to be the norm from here on out? I truly hope not. I have always enjoyed the freedom this Forum has provide it's members.......... Let not this freedom be tarnished in any fashion........ Please. Reputo vestrum mortalitas meus amicus. this simple meditation has always kept me somewhat on the humble side. Hopefully it will help others who feel they're above their fellow man.
For the record................. When I spoke of an personal Grimoire; I was speaking in the context of an individualized personal journey into life experience. I don't see how this is re-inventing the wheel since it is a (personal) endeavor we're speaking of here. Who knows, mayhaps I'm wrong. All written material is simply a guide-line, a starting-point; hopefully this (point) can be agreed upon by all in this thread. I hope to have as many (points) of view presented for the benifit of all Satanist/Luciferians. Like basic construction of the Grimoire, it's content, mythological data, mayhaps mystical exercises, etc. Anything - one feels should go into a Grimoire proper. *On a side-note: I am growing concerned with the indirect & subtle threats I've witnessed in several threads by various individuals who have certain responsiblities to the Forum. Why? Is this to be the norm from here on out? I truly hope not. I have always enjoyed the freedom this Forum has provide it's members.......... Let not this freedom be tarnished in any fashion........ Please. Reputo vestrum mortalitas meus amicus. this simple meditation has always kept me somewhat on the humble side. Hopefully it will help others who feel they're above their fellow man.