Original post: DeathDealer
I want to envoke Satan. I've done it once before, but I don't remember how, and I want to do it again. Anyone know how I can? Write me back. Thanks a lot!
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Original post: Qryztufre
You remind me of those kids in Spawnthat were in the cemetery and thought they evoked Satan, but it really was just that fat clown and the goofy Spawn Character...
If you would like to Evoke anything you really should take the advice given in the other thread and read up on the subject a bit more. Try checking out the Sticky posts in the Ceremonial Magic forum. Look in the Library offered there. The book Summoning Spirits may be a HUGE help to you...but from what I hear it's rather incomplete & and older version of the book to boot.
You really should learn how to swim before jumping into the deep end of the occult. You will get yourself killed or worse if you don't slow down.
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You remind me of those kids in Spawnthat were in the cemetery and thought they evoked Satan, but it really was just that fat clown and the goofy Spawn Character...
If you would like to Evoke anything you really should take the advice given in the other thread and read up on the subject a bit more. Try checking out the Sticky posts in the Ceremonial Magic forum. Look in the Library offered there. The book Summoning Spirits may be a HUGE help to you...but from what I hear it's rather incomplete & and older version of the book to boot.
You really should learn how to swim before jumping into the deep end of the occult. You will get yourself killed or worse if you don't slow down.
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Original post: Aether Manas
::scratches chin:: ya know, when you only read the bold text in Qryztufre's reply, you get "read the Ceremonial Magic Library" Now, if you weren't telling 'em that already, it'd be a neat (albeit simple) little hidden message.
Seriously, though ... what exactly do you intend to do? I'm very curious.
::scratches chin:: ya know, when you only read the bold text in Qryztufre's reply, you get "read the Ceremonial Magic Library" Now, if you weren't telling 'em that already, it'd be a neat (albeit simple) little hidden message.
Seriously, though ... what exactly do you intend to do? I'm very curious.
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Original post: Spes
Why would Master appear to young apprentice in search of vengeance? That's the question you should ask yourself.
Envoking ... ::strokes his beard:: Now that's something I don't believe is possible for you. There are other ways to get signs though... if you are worthy.
Why would Master appear to young apprentice in search of vengeance? That's the question you should ask yourself.
Envoking ... ::strokes his beard:: Now that's something I don't believe is possible for you. There are other ways to get signs though... if you are worthy.
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Original post: SatsUrn
It has been nice!
It has been nice!
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Original post: Venus666
The idea of summoning satan as a non coporeal entity would be foolish.
But to invoke him within- within your heart and mind- you are asking to bring his essence into your being...dude
The idea of summoning satan as a non coporeal entity would be foolish.
But to invoke him within- within your heart and mind- you are asking to bring his essence into your being...dude
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Original post: Spes
Venus I'm afraid it's dudette.
Venus I'm afraid it's dudette.
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Original post: Väkisinkastettu
[QUOTE=Qryztufre]
If you would like to Evoke anything you really should take the advice given in the other thread and read up on the subject a bit more. Try checking out the Sticky posts in the Ceremonial Magic forum. Look in the Library offered there. The book Summoning Spirits may be a HUGE help to you...but from what I hear it's rather incomplete & and older version of the book to boot.
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Could you tell me why the names of the dead yhvh should be used in the envoking of Satan?
The rituals of ceremonial magick are written by christians, to christians who wish to try to command and rule spirits in the name of their christian god.
I simply don't understand why anyone would like to do that. I mean really, using the same christian rituals and methods with demons or with the Infernal Lord is pretty much the best way to show that you are a human being who is not worthy of hearing even one word of His eternal wisdom.
[QUOTE=Qryztufre]
If you would like to Evoke anything you really should take the advice given in the other thread and read up on the subject a bit more. Try checking out the Sticky posts in the Ceremonial Magic forum. Look in the Library offered there. The book Summoning Spirits may be a HUGE help to you...but from what I hear it's rather incomplete & and older version of the book to boot.
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Could you tell me why the names of the dead yhvh should be used in the envoking of Satan?
The rituals of ceremonial magick are written by christians, to christians who wish to try to command and rule spirits in the name of their christian god.
I simply don't understand why anyone would like to do that. I mean really, using the same christian rituals and methods with demons or with the Infernal Lord is pretty much the best way to show that you are a human being who is not worthy of hearing even one word of His eternal wisdom.
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Original post: m1thr0s
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With only rare exceptions I have to agree with this point of view. If you want to invoke/evoke Satan, try going outside the box - like, way out...In the case of YHVH it IS possible to invoke/evoke using this formula but the method is so complex as to render it incomprehensible to the vast majority of even seasoned practitioners so it's not worth going there in this immediate thread (YHVH is not really a person so that's your clue if you want one). Summonsing Satan just to test your magickal prowess may not be such a great idea but it's your call. It might be better if you were to arrange some legitimate business with him/her first and then proceed from there...I mean really, using the same christian rituals and methods with demons or with the Infernal Lord is pretty much the best way to show that you are a human being who is not worthy of hearing even one word of His eternal wisdom.
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Why I want to di it? Cause I've really been interested in it, and I guess, I just want to do something evil. Personally, I don't think anything bad will happen to me. That's why I want to see and find out. I want to sell my soul to Satan, and I want him to do something for me in return...make me more powerful. Can anyone tell me how I can do this... Any phrases, OR spells that you can give me?
Why I want to di it? Cause I've really been interested in it, and I guess, I just want to do something evil. Personally, I don't think anything bad will happen to me. That's why I want to see and find out. I want to sell my soul to Satan, and I want him to do something for me in return...make me more powerful. Can anyone tell me how I can do this... Any phrases, OR spells that you can give me?
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Original post: Qryztufre
[QUOTE=DeathDealer]Why I want to di it? Cause I've really been interested in it, and I guess, I just want to do something evil. Personally, I don't think anything bad will happen to me. That's why I want to see and find out. I want to sell my soul to Satan, and I want him to do something for me in return...make me more powerful. Can anyone tell me how I can do this... Any phrases, OR spells that you can give me?[/QUOTE]
Evil? You think we are evil? Sorry friend, not most of us. If you are doing this as "something" to do, then you should expect to be mentally eaten alive, and I'm 99% serious!
Summoning the top-notch entities on a whim is NEVER a good idea. Putting your soul in their hands is WORSE! As for not thinking anything bad will happen, that is up to you...but giving them your soul is likely not gunna guarantee that. Chances are he won't accept anyway. If you are doing this on a whim, if he want's your soul he'll take it then & there. Your power will be your witty epitaph.
And chances are it will have to be a spell, simple phrases will likely NOT work. You need to be at least semi-knowledgeable of magic in general, and likely at least certain aspects of CM in most cases. Though, there are ways...but I do not think you are serious enough to carry them out as they need TRUE emotion, devotion & faith.
Good luck you will certainly need it!
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[QUOTE=DeathDealer]Why I want to di it? Cause I've really been interested in it, and I guess, I just want to do something evil. Personally, I don't think anything bad will happen to me. That's why I want to see and find out. I want to sell my soul to Satan, and I want him to do something for me in return...make me more powerful. Can anyone tell me how I can do this... Any phrases, OR spells that you can give me?[/QUOTE]
Evil? You think we are evil? Sorry friend, not most of us. If you are doing this as "something" to do, then you should expect to be mentally eaten alive, and I'm 99% serious!
Summoning the top-notch entities on a whim is NEVER a good idea. Putting your soul in their hands is WORSE! As for not thinking anything bad will happen, that is up to you...but giving them your soul is likely not gunna guarantee that. Chances are he won't accept anyway. If you are doing this on a whim, if he want's your soul he'll take it then & there. Your power will be your witty epitaph.
And chances are it will have to be a spell, simple phrases will likely NOT work. You need to be at least semi-knowledgeable of magic in general, and likely at least certain aspects of CM in most cases. Though, there are ways...but I do not think you are serious enough to carry them out as they need TRUE emotion, devotion & faith.
Good luck you will certainly need it!
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Original post: Lucid
[QUOTE=DeathDealer]I just want to do something evil.[/QUOTE]
Vote for Bush :twisted:
Seriously though, you should probably begin with something simpler. I'm not sure whether you meant invoke or evoke, but trying either with one of the most powerful deities/spirits/thoughtforms, on your first go at it, is not good. You'll probably get no results at all, or way more than you hoped for.
[QUOTE=DeathDealer]I just want to do something evil.[/QUOTE]
Vote for Bush :twisted:
Seriously though, you should probably begin with something simpler. I'm not sure whether you meant invoke or evoke, but trying either with one of the most powerful deities/spirits/thoughtforms, on your first go at it, is not good. You'll probably get no results at all, or way more than you hoped for.
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Original post: m1thr0s
Why should Satan pay for a soul he's gonna get for free anyway? Ask not what your Satan can do for you, ask what you can do for your Satan...hehe...
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Why should Satan pay for a soul he's gonna get for free anyway? Ask not what your Satan can do for you, ask what you can do for your Satan...hehe...
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Original post: Spes
Hey you heard the lady - she wants to do something evil! Fair 'nuff. But ... evil is very subjective. What is evil for you might be merely amusing for me. What you find natural might be evil to me.
I suggest DeathDealer you read also discussion on "How to sell your soul to Satan":
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=7499
To get answers to your questions.
Hey you heard the lady - she wants to do something evil! Fair 'nuff. But ... evil is very subjective. What is evil for you might be merely amusing for me. What you find natural might be evil to me.
I suggest DeathDealer you read also discussion on "How to sell your soul to Satan":
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=7499
To get answers to your questions.
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Original post: Interstellis
:lol:
I'll just quote one of my favorite lines from the movie The Ninth Gate, when Balkan crashes the Satanic Evocation ceremony:
"Mumbo-jumbo-mumbo-jumbo-mumbo-jumbo...
You really think the Prince of Darkness would deign to manifest himself to the likes of you? He never has and he never will - never! "
Satan doesn't much care for sellouts, IMO. If your whole intent is to evoke just to see if you can, and sell yourself out just to see if it's real, you're likely going to be the butt of a good joke. If you have a sincere interest in satan(ism), your best bet is to think for yourself and do some investigating of your own, because so much of this is highly subjective...I know if I had to pick commrades to align myself with, I sure as hell would want some thinkers, not drones that need to be spoonfed.
but hey...let experience be your best teacher...
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I'll just quote one of my favorite lines from the movie The Ninth Gate, when Balkan crashes the Satanic Evocation ceremony:
"Mumbo-jumbo-mumbo-jumbo-mumbo-jumbo...
You really think the Prince of Darkness would deign to manifest himself to the likes of you? He never has and he never will - never! "
Satan doesn't much care for sellouts, IMO. If your whole intent is to evoke just to see if you can, and sell yourself out just to see if it's real, you're likely going to be the butt of a good joke. If you have a sincere interest in satan(ism), your best bet is to think for yourself and do some investigating of your own, because so much of this is highly subjective...I know if I had to pick commrades to align myself with, I sure as hell would want some thinkers, not drones that need to be spoonfed.
but hey...let experience be your best teacher...
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Original post: Venus666
Ok, Ok...I did something like that when I was 13... I did a black mass that was blasphemous, with black and red candles..I was on an emotional high, willing to be a satanist. So I took some parchment, and offered my service to satanisim. I did not offer my soul....for me this was the crossing, the crossing into the other side
Now that Im older and wiser, I can see the benefit of what I have done. I choose to be a (theistic) deistic Satanist, because I can see that the true "satan" is an ergregore, and is not entirely evil, but simply misunderstood.
By living in the satanic way, many things became available to me. I started studying magick.
Doors opened. But only because I was willing to make the sacrifice of time and effort to learn all that I can about this path. Im talkin 13 yrs of study of the metaphysical and the LHP ..and Im still not where I want to be at this stage.
Summoning satan will not make you a satanist. Just like going to church will not make you a christian.. If a pact or a deal is the motivation- try and get an idea of what satanisim is beforehand, so that you are not left with a bad experience..
Being able to summon satan is not a pre-requisite to satanisim in general, unless you are interested in summoning as a study. Might want to look into demonolgy/demonolatry
Ok, Ok...I did something like that when I was 13... I did a black mass that was blasphemous, with black and red candles..I was on an emotional high, willing to be a satanist. So I took some parchment, and offered my service to satanisim. I did not offer my soul....for me this was the crossing, the crossing into the other side
Now that Im older and wiser, I can see the benefit of what I have done. I choose to be a (theistic) deistic Satanist, because I can see that the true "satan" is an ergregore, and is not entirely evil, but simply misunderstood.
By living in the satanic way, many things became available to me. I started studying magick.
Doors opened. But only because I was willing to make the sacrifice of time and effort to learn all that I can about this path. Im talkin 13 yrs of study of the metaphysical and the LHP ..and Im still not where I want to be at this stage.
Summoning satan will not make you a satanist. Just like going to church will not make you a christian.. If a pact or a deal is the motivation- try and get an idea of what satanisim is beforehand, so that you are not left with a bad experience..
Being able to summon satan is not a pre-requisite to satanisim in general, unless you are interested in summoning as a study. Might want to look into demonolgy/demonolatry
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Original post: Syrokal
Wouldent a ritual to summon the big daddy of hell itself, sort of...stick in your mind? can you remember any of it or is it just the chants or words you cant seem to remember.?I've done it once before, but I don't remember how
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Original post: Kerethial
So far there are only two grimoires containing evocation of Satan/Lucifer.One is Grimorium Verum of which I am not fond of because of the christian evocations.The other is The Book Of Hell dating from 11th century an entirely satanic grimoire.Sometimes he appears on certain rituals of his own will.
So far there are only two grimoires containing evocation of Satan/Lucifer.One is Grimorium Verum of which I am not fond of because of the christian evocations.The other is The Book Of Hell dating from 11th century an entirely satanic grimoire.Sometimes he appears on certain rituals of his own will.
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[QUOTE=Kerethial]So far there are only two grimoires containing evocation of Satan/Lucifer.One is Grimorium Verum of which I am not fond of because of the christian evocations.The other is The Book Of Hell dating from 11th century an entirely satanic grimoire.Sometimes he appears on certain rituals of his own will.[/QUOTE]
What about the Grand Grimoire?? It also deals with pacts and evocations of Lucifuge, Lucifer and so on.... And it is also written in the dark ages so it also has christian concepts of evocations....
[QUOTE=Kerethial]So far there are only two grimoires containing evocation of Satan/Lucifer.One is Grimorium Verum of which I am not fond of because of the christian evocations.The other is The Book Of Hell dating from 11th century an entirely satanic grimoire.Sometimes he appears on certain rituals of his own will.[/QUOTE]
What about the Grand Grimoire?? It also deals with pacts and evocations of Lucifuge, Lucifer and so on.... And it is also written in the dark ages so it also has christian concepts of evocations....
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Original post: DeathDealer
No, I don't really remember. I've been doing witchcraft since October 13, 1998, and I just had the anniversary yesterday. That's why I wanted to do something evil. I've done it before, but then had an excorsism, believe it or not. The priest saw the demons with his own eyes, and there's still 2 left over that didn't get executed. I just want to let people know I'm evil without actually saying anything.
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I just want them to SENSE it when I'm near...
No, I don't really remember. I've been doing witchcraft since October 13, 1998, and I just had the anniversary yesterday. That's why I wanted to do something evil. I've done it before, but then had an excorsism, believe it or not. The priest saw the demons with his own eyes, and there's still 2 left over that didn't get executed. I just want to let people know I'm evil without actually saying anything.
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I just want them to SENSE it when I'm near...
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Original post: doh
Pardon my "lack of faith", but you haven't seen evil yet if you can't call it on a whim.
And, by the way, Satan, Lucifer, The Bringer of Light, whatever you wish to call him is not evil by any standards other than Christian. He is, and always has been, dual, just like every thing else. It's how you use it. You want to go around sacrificing babies and being all spooky, fine, but leave us out of it. And you don't "execute" entities. Not by mortal or "death" means.
Pardon my "lack of faith", but you haven't seen evil yet if you can't call it on a whim.
And, by the way, Satan, Lucifer, The Bringer of Light, whatever you wish to call him is not evil by any standards other than Christian. He is, and always has been, dual, just like every thing else. It's how you use it. You want to go around sacrificing babies and being all spooky, fine, but leave us out of it. And you don't "execute" entities. Not by mortal or "death" means.
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Original post: Spes
Well it's hard to say for real is Satan dual but we have to live with our limited knowledge for now.
But DeathDealer, I must say you woun't find much of support or advice here, on level you wish perhaps, to do evil as majority understands it (eg. cursing, sacrificing and other 'black arts') as you could read already.
If you want to gain power start with seeking more knowledge. Only way to power is through understanding what power really is about.
Well it's hard to say for real is Satan dual but we have to live with our limited knowledge for now.
But DeathDealer, I must say you woun't find much of support or advice here, on level you wish perhaps, to do evil as majority understands it (eg. cursing, sacrificing and other 'black arts') as you could read already.
If you want to gain power start with seeking more knowledge. Only way to power is through understanding what power really is about.
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Original post: Venus666
wear a really big inverted pentagram..lolI'm evil without actually saying anything.
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I just want them to SENSE it when I'm near...
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Original post: GotNoSoul2Sell
Or you could carve an inverted cross into your forehead with a rusty razor blade. And I mean real deep, so you scrape the bone
Or you could carve an inverted cross into your forehead with a rusty razor blade. And I mean real deep, so you scrape the bone
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[QUOTE=GotNoSoul2Sell]Or you could carve an inverted cross into your forehead with a rusty razor blade. And I mean real deep, so you scrape the bone[/QUOTE]
Bone etching could be WAY COOL! If done professionally
Bone etching could be WAY COOL! If done professionally that is...just think, a tiny scareless hole with a tiny machine that could etch the bone. Then you could have people feel your forehead. ANYTHING could be cool, less noticeable then a tattoo, not as gaudy as large earrings, a real conversation piece (you could tell people you were born that way).
You could get them all over your head, on your forearms, your shins, and maybe a few other places if you are skinny enough. Though, I suppose like tattooing you could never change etched bone (then again I'm not sure if your bones heal after something like that) so you'll likely have whatever you get for life. Screw being EVIL, I just think it's cool. Whether or not you are a Satanist or just a fluffy pagan, it's a possible art that likely no one has done (well maybe it's been done, but I'd bet it was done by scaring the recipient).
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[QUOTE=GotNoSoul2Sell]Or you could carve an inverted cross into your forehead with a rusty razor blade. And I mean real deep, so you scrape the bone[/QUOTE]
Bone etching could be WAY COOL! If done professionally
Bone etching could be WAY COOL! If done professionally that is...just think, a tiny scareless hole with a tiny machine that could etch the bone. Then you could have people feel your forehead. ANYTHING could be cool, less noticeable then a tattoo, not as gaudy as large earrings, a real conversation piece (you could tell people you were born that way).
You could get them all over your head, on your forearms, your shins, and maybe a few other places if you are skinny enough. Though, I suppose like tattooing you could never change etched bone (then again I'm not sure if your bones heal after something like that) so you'll likely have whatever you get for life. Screw being EVIL, I just think it's cool. Whether or not you are a Satanist or just a fluffy pagan, it's a possible art that likely no one has done (well maybe it's been done, but I'd bet it was done by scaring the recipient).
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