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Original post: EarthChild

Are they same?

Original post: Sheosyrath

It can be argued either way.

Original post: NingishziddasSecretary

A satan, sure.

Original post: Drakonach

Set was the redheaded stepchild of Ra!!... and i mean that, he was literally depicted as a redhead...He was pissed off at his brother, because his brother Osiris stole his wife.. Osiris slept with both Isis and Nephys (who Nephys was Set wife). So of course I would be pissed off too and prolly beat or kill my brother as well for stealing my woman.
Set was the god of Khaos, storms, and the desert.

Satan was the bastard son of YHVH, that liked to ACCUSE YHVH of being a bad daddy for creating man and then leaving him to his own devices. I would be a little upset too if my daddy decided that after he had another kid that he didn't want anything to do with him.
Satan means Accuser of God in Hebrew.

They were both troublemakers, they both whined alot, and well they both had their reasons for becoming the adversary.

:evil:

Original post: NingishziddasSecretary

Yes. I am not heavily impressed by either one.

Original post: EarthChild

I apologize for my somewhat vague question. I was doing some research,and came about different theories about certain pantheon gods and how some are associated with Satanism.. For example, some satanists believe that Thot is a deity of Hell.. what do you make of this? Does it rely on the God's nature?

Original post: Drakonach

I think it honestly has to do more with what the individual sees in the said deities.. What one person sees as an divine aspect..another might see as an aspect of the infernal..

Its all in the experience of the individual..

Original post: Tevnon

Some people see deities as more of a collection of energy than as an entity. In that viewpoint Set and Satan are close to the same set of energy.
It would be like taking a ball of play-dough and saying "this is Set".
Pinch off a small portion of the playdough (containing Set's Egyptian energy and mythology) and add a little pinch of Judeo-Christian energy and the ball of playdough is now Satan.
Make sence?
Then again not everyone sees deities/devils as collections of energy.

Original post: Helmut II

I doubt it. There's no solid correlation historically and in a pop culture sense, it would be pretty convenient if Satan was a ginger. But hey, if you want to believe such, why not? :p None of us can truthfully be sure because the deity-historical-crossover argument is an old and boring one.

Original post: Gala

Tevnon's answer makes a lot of sense. However, I've always seen Set and Satan as similar in symbolism, but not the same in aspect. Satan has always been hailed in Christianity as the adversary, the constant opposition, even Satanism tends to see him as the adversary. However Set was not necessarily the 'bad one'. In Egyptian myth he stands on the front of Ra's sun barge to fight off Apep/Apophis as the barge sets, he is an integral part of Ra's survival whereas Satan, in Christianity at least, has never claimed such a position. Also, several kings dedicated their reigns as pharoah to this particular god, he was a god, not necessarily the evil aspect of society.

Original post: imskin

whether or not satanists worship both is somewhat irrelevant. There are many Gods that can be said to be equivalent to one and other from separate pantheons. The Greek and Roman pantheons are very, very close. Their God's tend to have one to one correspondences (as far as what they hold dominion over). However, that said, while Zeus and Jupiter hold the same "territory", held the same social importance in their respective societies, and were worshiped in much the same ways, they are still DIFFERENT Gods.

So, if Zeus is not Jupiter, then Set is certainly not Satan. On the other hand, they do have some good similarities. They both fill an adversarial role in the mythologies and provide context for humanity's present battles, as far as the religions in question define them. (ie the war between Osiris and Set, or God and Satan, continues we must........blah blah blah). But the differences between Satan and Set are big enough that you should research the individual entity itself carefully before working with it and not assume absolute correspondence. For instance, in the Christian system, Satan is not even a full God, but merely God's avenging or testing angel. In this manner, he would be more akin to Saturn. Either way though, I wouldn't imagine that working with him would be quite present, though, in point of fact, I never have myself, but it could be quite worthwhile. Remember that growth sometimes requires pain.

Original post: Centrix

These deities are from different cultures and would not be the same. That theory, the idea that Set became Satan by corruption of the name is a Setian belief and not valid from any known reliable sources.

I wonder, are there any Setians around this board any more? I remember there were a few, and Eric Kauschen used to visit but no longer does. Anyway, I was just curious.

Original post: Blackbird

some people believe religions coincide. others, that each religion has their own unique set of gods, all or most of whom are believed to exist. still others, believe in merely one set of gods. as for what's true, who's to say? if satan from christianity was to match up with a god from egyptian belief, it could be set.

Original post: LVXocculto

Watch Zeitgeist the Movie.

In it they explain that jesus is a solar deity whose story was stolen from Horus (born at winter solstice of a virgin birth, performed miracles, walked on water, died for 3 days and was risen). Horus is the sun personified, and Set is night personified. So in a lot of ways Set could be seen as Satan's predecessor.

Original post: Centrix

And that is just a movie.

Original post: Drakonach

Are you always the belief basher Centrix, or do you just play one on t.v.? LOL..Sorry I'm having a cynical morning...Hope you don't take it personal because I do admire some of your views..

Original post: Skeptismo118

Gala;276009 wrote:In Egyptian myth he stands on the front of Ra's sun barge to fight off Apep/Apophis as the barge sets, he is an integral part of Ra's survival whereas Satan, in Christianity at least, has never claimed such a position. .

Right, Satan simply decided to take the job of punishing those who pissed off the Old Man because he had nothing better to do.

Granted Christian mythology on this topic is muddled but in the majority of it it is pretty clear Ol' Scratch is on the payroll even if he's being paid through a laundered account

Original post: Blackbird

don't you folks watch stargate? gods are really aliens. they came here a long time ago for some evolution experiment. created this world to be exactly like their home planet, and put us here, just to watch us evolve and manipulate us so we don't blow each other up with brain waves. religions are just so they can throw us off and keep us from figuring out the truth. the only reason i know this is because they beemed me up one time and let me meet them. they let me take a couple pictures. hopefully they don't get mad that i've posted them here, but whatever, they wouldn't do anything anyway.

here's set:
here's satan:
here's horus:

whatever you do, don't compare them to penguins. they really don't like that.

Original post: Skeptismo118

Drakonach;276523 wrote:Are you always the belief basher Centrix, or do you just play one on t.v.? LOL..Sorry I'm having a cynical morning...Hope you don't take it personal because I do admire some of your views..

The "belief bashing" is a good thing.

Just not sure how it is compatable with the gothy-bat wampers he keeps in his sig.

Original post: Centrix

Drakonach;276523 wrote:Are you always the belief basher Centrix, or do you just play one on t.v.? LOL..Sorry I'm having a cynical morning...Hope you don't take it personal because I do admire some of your views..

I am a belief basher in and out of TV, depending on the context.

:evil:


Skeptismo:

Just not sure how it is compatable with the gothy-bat wampers he keeps in his sig.

It's all a joke, all a joke!

Original post: TheWaiting

Satan has been said to be almost half of the figures in any polythiestic religion. You name it and someone probly said they were in truth satan. I also have to agree with what is said about people comparing religion and claiming this god is also this god. If not for the popularity of the Set/satan group at the present time combining satan and set would probly be a much less noticable one. I really think that even if it is true we have little way of guessing which ones are which and combining them just makes it confusing for worshipers and researchers alike. In one book I have been reading it kept saying Typhon the greek giant/dragon of Greece when the author meant Set the god of egypt which got me confused at first.

Original post: Azerate218

Satan exists in many different religions under many different names. Set is one of his names.

Original post: Scyre

no, besides the different cultures that originated them, there's another great difference: Satan is the representation of evil in judeo-christian beliefs, while Seth is the force of Chaos, as the opposite force balancing Osiris, the order. I personally think that it's a big mistake confusing those two beings.

Original post: Bone_Dancer

I think the gods and goddesses are alive in the imagination that gives them life through the faith they are there. Listening to prayer, caring about human animals, pulling the strings of destiny.

I think rather the construct of deities and their worship/religion, are a result of the need for the archetype that helps bring order to the chaos that abides in our human consciousness trying to make sense of why we exist along with everything else.

So these "powers" are anthropomorphic. While the Egyptian pantheon may have assumed the heads of indigenous creatures in that region, they were still relatable to their worshipers because they had human bodies. But like many religions say today, it's really all an illusion/allusion, they exist at all.

Just two cents, worth not much to anyone but me. :evil:

Original post: enlilki

This is a good thread, different opinions without people getting upset.

For me and many others it has been proven that christianity has stolen a lot of stories from more older belief systems, since they have done this to make their own religion, of course the names would change. but at the same time doesnt it mean that "satan" is not real in the way they teach? just a stolen and altered story, like many others but to make it less obvious they gave a different name to the one they originally copied.
To me Set is Set, a God of Egypt, to give him the name of what chrisitianity considers the ultimate evil seems like an insult to him and his followers.
From what I know of egyptian mythology Set is the God of Evil, drought, destruction, thunder and storms. Seth however, Osiris's brother is the god of chaos etc.
Perhaps this is how people come to connect Set/Seth with Satan? considering the christian ideal of what satan embodies...