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Hi All,

I've spent many years studying and practicing the occult. For quite a while I have been a serious student of CM. I'm not prone to over imagination or exagerating things and am usually quite grounded and good at 'tiling the sanctum' or peforming LBRP properly. One night some thing very wierd happened as I was performing a ritual and meditation. It was late on a Saturday night, incense was burning and candle light from two black candles lit the room. All was quiet and peaceful....I was trying to identify the source of a psychic attack aimed at me and those known to me.

I was laying on the floor inside my circle. Eyes closed and alone. At the hieght of my meditation I drifted into a short sleep during which time my consciousness was able to leave the body consciously as an OOB. I was trying to trace back the source of attack. After a while, my consciousness returned with a number of clear and helpful immpressions. As I lay there quietly something wierd happened. I felt a slow, gently tickling sensation moving around my ear. My normal reaction was to scratch the offending area. When I did, I got a surprise...my fingers were wet! I opened my eyes and looked at my hand...it was red with fresh blood. I got up and took a closer look in the mirror. A small needle like hole had appeared in my cheek and a large amount of blood was pouring out and dripping audibly onto the floor. After a minute or two the flow stopped and I could get a better look at the 'hole' in my face. It was not a spot or an insect bite...just a deep slighly conicle hole. Like a claw would make.
The whole incident seemed odd to say the least. I wondered if any one here had ever had a similar experience or had any comments they would like to make?

Do you think it was part of an attack or something else?

Puzzled,

THOG

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First: I'm not CM,my disclaimer,lol.

I have performed rituals and worked systematically,in the past.Whistles and bells etc,though,so here is my input anyway.

I've also experienced 'manifestation' in the physical sense.Not quite like yours though.I work through trance and altered consciousness,often I 'm the least consciously aware participant of the effects as they happen...ooh err.I've had what I expect is maybe regarded as the 'classic' stuff.[remember my disclaimer dear readers] - Gusts of wind,pushes and shoves,odd noises and sounds - all witnessed by other paticipants.All very spooky too.Note: I do take this kind of working seriously.I had great success with the ones where manifests occured.

Given that I don't work within this paradigm,I can't be much help.I'd say your experince is nontheless interesting and intriguing,though.

I have tracked back sources astrally too,but I didn't do it in a formal or ritualised context like yours.Do you have to leave yourself more vulnerable to attack,than you otherwise would in ritual, when working to track a source like you did above?

If so,Perhaps it was a guardian of the person attacking you,which followed you back to your body?


Or perhaps a bloodprice taken for help given,by an allied entity of some sort? [thinking from my own background/home paradigm there]

Did it heal well?Was it painful? Did it scar?

[many questions and much curiosity,lol]

I might have mentoned this already, but I had a friend in high school who was wise beyond her years (and so, unlikely to have made it up). One night when she was astral projecting, she woke up covered in what seemed to be cat scratches. She didn't own a cat.

So, I've heard of things like this, but can't really say what might cause it. It's possible some astral type entity had a go at you during the ritual, I'm not sure. The circle should have protected you, at least to some extent.

Nahemah makes some good points there.

Likewise, my curiosity is piqued.

Could you be able to provide more details on the psychic attack, of which you were attempting to track down the attacker?

Sounds to me like someone's defensive guardian too. Either that, or something got through your wards. Not unheard of.

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your feed back - you have made some good points. My appologies for the tardiness in replying, unfortunatly work has a bad habit of getting in the way of the more important and interesting things in life! I will write up some more details very soon and post them.

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Yeh,work: the curse of the thinking classes,lol.

Looking forward to your post.

Hey, *I'm* a thinking class, and there's no god-damn jobs for me round here!

But anyways, yeah, looking forward to the details, because, if you'll pardon the expression, the devil often lays in them...

Sorrry to hear that Darkwolf,I do a grunt job,but it's cool as it's a good workout[ lots of carrying/lifitng and shelf stocking etc]and it pays just enough for me to do some of the things I like,it's not great but it's ok,so it 'll do for now.

Indeed on the detail,but I have found that a quote from Sherlock Holmes useful,to remember.

Excuse me for mangling this,probably,but I 'll check it in a mo:

"...when you have exhausted all other possibilities,what you are left with,no matter how implausible it may be,must be the truth..".

just an opinion here, but if you really are doing obe, and not just imagining your doing it, like most of people, it might be that you leave your physical body completely unprotected. when you are dealing with a psi attack, the last thing you want to do is leave your body unprotected and go poking aroung. you should fortify your etheric, astral and mental bodies with light and chi exercises, and provide a good solid armour. if you want to gather info , just do some divination, or scry. don t take this the wrong way, but doing astral wondering when you know someone is attempting harm against you is very very very stupid. either post a strong guardian or two outside of the circle (although i get the feeling that you didn t have a circle, either..), or abstainn from leaving your physical form. Hope this helps...

Funnily enough, Nahemah, I was tempted to use that line, but felt it a bit too cheesy. However cheesy and trite it seems in this modern day, however, it is very true. Asterion also makes a good point there, that if they hadn't protected their own bodies, they could have been hurt.

I am unafraid of cheesy,cheesy is me,lol.I crack some really bad puns and I do it often,I also mangle quotes and ramble on a lot.Ohoh.Thankfully I had folk who helped me out and corrected me,on the old OF,with patience too.

It does seem most likely to have been as Asterion and the rest of us surmise,unless THOG has more information to add,which reveals other possiblities,dosen't it?

wha? i didn t do it! dad, what does surmise mean?

Err,formal definition:

surmise:[ Looked up surmise at Etymological Dictionary Online]
c.1400, "to charge, allege," from O.Fr. surmis, pp. of surmettre "to accuse," from sur- "upon" + mettre "put," from L. mittere "to send" (see mission). Meaning "to infer conjecturally" is recorded from 1700. The noun meaning "inference, guess" is first found in Eng. 1590; earlier it was a legal term meaning "formal allegation" (1451).

It means like an estimate or educated guess,really.To infer or deduce a result from the facts given,or something like that.

I am a bit 'wordworthy' at times,sorry,lol.

forgive myne ignorance, fair Nahemah, i be not from thine reamls, of the Enlgyshe tunge, i cometh from afar, from the land of Valachia... (I m Romanian, i may not know aaaal the words.)

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The facts!

[ul]It was very late at night and the moon was nearly full.

LBRP had been performed along with the QC.

My mood was good with a very relaxed and peaceful but focused state of mind being present.

The circle was created slowly and carefully.

The people being attacked were concentrated on and the 'request' was made to follow the 'negative energy' back to it's source and find out the origin and purpose.

I was laying in the centre of the serpent circle along the east west axis.

Head was at the east.

Candles were lit

Incense was burning

The atmosphere in the chamber of work was calm and highly charged with vibrations.

A period of lite sleep with OoB was experienced in which the offending force was contacted on the astral. A number of impressions were received regarding the persons perpetrating and directing the 'attack'.

Steps were taken to stop the attack.

Consciousness returned to body to find a small puncture wound on my cheek which was bleeding profusely!

The puncture was approx the size and slightly curved conical shape one would get from a small animal claw incision.

The area remained slightly sore to touch for 3-4 days. There was no scab or visible raising of area.

It was just a small hole that gradually vanished.[/ul]

The negative attack that had been detected seemed to stop and the perpetrators were systematically
curtailed and removed from any situation that would allow any further transgressions.

Over the course of a few short weeks all the negative effects that had been experienced by those effected began to turn around the other way.

I had no feeling that the puncture or blood was an attack. But that doesn't mean it was good either-lol

Your feed back an observations are very welcome!

I'll make some comments later when I'm back at home as work will have a problem if they see what I'm writing about - lol

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Quick question, the answer to which may give a further clue: Did you go *fully* astral, and were you aware of your surroundings during this time?

darkwolf wrote:Quick question, the answer to which may give a further clue: Did you go *fully* astral, and were you aware of your surroundings during this time?

Good question! I went fully astral with no awareness of the body r the immediate material wolrd around the body. I was completly out of body and aware only of my psychic self and mind. Astrally I was viewing things and people that dwelt on this material plane and had some intermingling with the astral forces round the people being observed.

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Mist wrote:Could you be able to provide more details on the psychic attack, of which you were attempting to track down the attacker?

Another good question - yes...let me work on writing that one up clearly so it makes sense.

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Nahemah wrote:Or perhaps a bloodprice taken for help given,by an allied entity of some sort? [thinking from my own background/home paradigm there]

Ummmmm...you got me there. About a year ago I did indeed offer a blood sacrific to an entity for help. Don't worry - it didn't involve chickens or people. I used my own blood. The entity did indeed help and became a powerful force for protection.I regeted doing it afterwards as it proved too effetive and almost got out of control.

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Ah, so you went fully astral, followed the resonant link that your ritual gave you, and was, in effect, in the presence (astrally, at least), of the individual trying to hurt you.

Ouch. Not the smartest of moves, I have to say, as anything that was in the area could have nicked you, and unless you felt a sharp pain in the cheek while astral (which you definitely haven't mentioned, at least), then it could have been something astrally near your body going physical, something astral nearby which walloped you (and thus, the "As above, so below" 'guideline' was invoked, hurting you physically), or the blokey in question got one last salvo off (which is also not entirely implausible)

Those are the current hypotheses I've got, anyways.

your body is more vulnerable to threats when you're not in it. Both on a spiritual and on a physical level.

circles, wards, shields, etc. are *never* a sure bet. it's useful to have high confidence in them, in terms of psychosomatically making them strong, but it's also good to be realistic and understand that there's no such thing as an 'impenetrable' barrier, have a plan-b (and c, and d, preferably). actually, i often skip protective barriers myself these days, simply because I know I could go through them with ease, and I assume that any entity which would be a significant risk to me could as well. WHich isn't to say that they're not useful, they often are.

Ah, so you went fully astral, followed the resonant link that your ritual gave you, and was, in effect, in the presence (astrally, at least), of the individual trying to hurt you.

Ouch. Not the smartest of moves, I have to say,

I dunno, to me it seems like simply approaching the problem in a direct and straightforward manner. not sure what would be un-smart about it. All life is risk, magic doubly so. I am a firm believer in the notion that nobody ever got to be particularly good at magick by staying strictly in the kiddie pool and having no will to be daring. Anyway, trying to root out a threat to oneself isn't so much 'daring' as it is a necessity.

Sometimes if you butt heads with an entity, they may lash out at you. If they're a skilled and powerful entity, they will likely hit you where you're weakest. In my case, and presumably yours, that's the physical body. If you're dealing with an entity known to attack your physical body, I'd recommend staying inside it until the problem is settled. You can do a bi-locating 'split' projection to go both out of body, and remain in body, to do anything you need to do out of body. it's like a less immersed/less deep form of astral projection, perhaps more akin to remote viewing.

I hope you managed to deal with this entity safely.

All right. I have read Thog's Post and All the replies. Kinda weird but I think I got something haunting my right knee. Now I don't do any OOB but there are days when I feel I spend most of my time OOB. It's those days when I usually whollop the hell out of it. Now, I don't want to loose my right knee. It's one of my two favorite knees.
Call it tacky, but I have Darkwolf, Nahemah and the very attractive Kath here. (Is attractive at all important in Magic? Ans. Yeah, like 90%.....94% of the time.) So,any guesses what could be haunting me.

A little background info. I follow the path of the Trees... (Druidy Kinda stuff... OK so once or twice I've left out a few of the LARGER details) but I was born and bread Christian. Dad, Christian .... had his knee replaced after a pretty nasty accident. Just living up to... family responsibility? What I'm supposed to do? Blow out my knee. Doesn't sound like something the forces of Good would want of me. (I can't think of anything I've done to piss them off royal lately. Maybe all that Steak and Sausage?) Any guesses...if this doesn't sound too inane.
Any help would be appreciated. (We can only hope I have the wisdom to except the truth.)

Do you think it's Karmic debt or bloodline/Geis [debt/fine,in a Northern sense] related? That's what I'm picking up,but I wanted to clarify,before posting more.

Cheers.

The debt/fine thing sounds about right. I'll try to explain... I see a pattern in the family that seems very unhealthy... addiction/depression. This leads to injury for the sake of gaining what we (the bloodline... me inclusive) is addicted to... the strongest possible painkiller. I don't want this. What I want is a more natural solution. Less pills and more natural...diet and vitamins and the medicine wheel, as some would call it. (More Balance?) I believe the snag comes in pleasing my Father who seems to me like the biggest culprit (although my respect for him becomes more parimount as I age, he doesn't seem to be as spiritual.... (can I not see how spiritual he really is?))
The entitiy of fear and inadiquacy that envokes itself in the most common form in those who don't exercise enough? Probably... there's only so mush Spiritual you can do before go old exercise comes in to the play. But the knee thing does seem to happen more often than normal. Eerie.