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Masonary is to my way of thinking higher magik, this is because of their rituals and the symbols on their aprons. Just for a little something else there is a obelisk near where I live and there is a hole through the top and at 5 to 5pm on the spring equinox the sun shines down Bathurst street in the city through the top of the obelisk and hits a well and the other end of Hyde Park. On the well it has written drink from this well and thirst no more.

Kind regards Ashley.

What was this topic for again?

Was there a question or anything which you wanted to discuss on this forum in that post Ashly?

Not sure what he's getting at here. I think (don't quote me on this) that he's trying to espouse architectural magic (highly ritualised, highly specialised, but, because of this, highly powered) as powerful. Oh, and that Masons are powerful mages... I think.

Not quite sure what he's trying to ask or discuss here, actually, but hell, even if he doesn't clarify, working out what's meant will be a discussion.

Sorry, Ashley. In a bit of a bitchy mood from dealing with a fundamentalist medium ("All psychics have spirit guides, and the ones who don't seem to just can't see them!" ... yeesh.)

http://www.publicartaroundtheworld.com/ ... elisk.html

This one Ashley? If so,Funky story behind it.

Was Thornton a Mason?

Please tell us more,I saw there is a Masonic Museum in Sydney too, when I was looking for more info.Have you been there?

http://www.mof.org.au/pages/museum.htm

That there are occult practices in the Freemasons order that we know, they are highly ritualistic and there might be real power and wisdom there, but I think that many of them are just members for the social benefits and to be able to go out and have fun with their buddies.

Anyone who know anything about the Rebecca order? A Freemason order open to women.

I did a short study into the Kabbalistic symbolism of the Freemasons a number of years ago, but the only conclusion that I could reach at the time was that although they definitely do employ both general occult symbolism and some specific kabbalistic references within their grades and rites that they apparently did not understand what they were doing. It may be that what they were doing is attempting to hide a series of coded meanings within the body of their rites and the grades but it looks as if they have either lost or never fully understood the proper interpretation of those symbols. Then again, they do have a reputation as cunning buggers which led me to think that there was more than layer of code at work. I always assumed that a properly educated student of Kabbalah could descry these different layers without too much difficulty.My own knowledge was not deep enough and I reached no proper conclusions. I still feel that they have applied a cyphering technique to their symbolism which would be unavailable to anyone who was not a member regardless of their familiarity with such arcana.

It could off course also be that they do know what they are doing but that they have taken the Cabbalistic symbols and changed them and made a system of their own. I am also under the impression that the first degrees of Freemasonry it not that deep, that the real rituals comes later for those who want more out of the order than an old boy's club.

The Eastern Star Order welcomes women too.

If I'm not mistaking I think that the Rebecca chapter as well as the order of the Eastern Star are open to women only with prior or current family affiliation with masonry.For example, if you have a husband who belongs to a lodge then you have the option of joining a sorority based and closely tied to masonry.

[justify]Hi there Ashley, Freemasonry is today more of a Right Hand Path institution rather than Magickal.
During the long run since its "modern" recordings from 1717 to the present, it has been loosing the Esoteric Theory and Practice, and has taken better the charitable, social, political and exoteric aspect of it all. Yes, in fact, you are trully right, it does have many interesting Symbols.
Most Freemasons get nervous when you-Speak of the Devil!
HS! [/justify]

Aleister Crowley was a Freemason, although the UGLE was a bit snotty and said his Lodge in Paris was not affiliated to it. I sometimes wonder what changes The King of Iona might have made within Freemasonry had he been accepted - but I don't think much would have changed; he would have left standard Freemasonry anyway.

The OTO is a masonic organization. The Swiss OTO (if it still exists) is not Thelemic and its rituals were not altered by Crowley, so I imagine its rituals are similar to normal European masonic rituals.

English Freemasonry has been de-Chritianized, except for one line of ritual (in Emulation working), and there is a great emphasis on the Sun, so it has always had a slight Croweyan ethos.

To The Witches at the begining of this post.... for not having a question, he/she sure got a lot of replies. (That's so cool.)
This was a sewer vent in Sidney which led to a well saying "Drink and thirst no more?"
I know with all this talk of A. Crowley and the Masons and stuff I should probably be taking this more seriously, but did you ever wait until 5:00 or 5:30 and then take a drink?

If you do, let me know if your still thirsty. I might take a trip to Aus. to get some of that. or at least to see the needle.

Hip story.